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Thread: Death penalty?
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11-23-2020, 10:48 AM #91
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11-23-2020, 10:53 AM #92
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11-23-2020, 10:54 AM #93
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11-23-2020, 11:05 AM #94
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11-23-2020, 11:11 AM #95
Not trying to "save everyone". Trying to 1) Prevent innocent people from being put to death by making the burden of proof higher and 2) Save all of us money by avoiding the costs of trials. There is ALWAYS going to be an option for the person to plead guilty (almost always for a lesser penalty)... my scenario allows that to continue, while also punishing the people who undeniably did it.
I also wouldn't make exception to people who claim "insanity" or other nonsense. If you're a threat to go insane and kill someone, out of society you go my friend.Everything depends upon execution; having just a vision is no solution.
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11-23-2020, 11:18 AM #96
I'm real-er than you. Been homeless before and worked in mental health for 7 years. So go kick rocks you fake. =)
So you don't think our current justice system does that? I mean you have to basically have a smoking gun scenario in order to convict and penalize someone with the death penalty.
Meanwhile, we've got people like Sandusky who raped tons of boys chill maxing in prison. lol.
The cost of trial is probably less than providing housing for a murderer on death row for 40+ years.
Nah, if they're genuinely "insane" not the man-made mental illnesses we have today - yes, they should be excluded.Thus let me live, unseen, unknown;
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11-23-2020, 11:31 AM #97
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The death penalty should not be a detterent. It should be used to remove people who cannot be rehabilitated from society.
Read the article below and tell me with a straight face that this woman doesn't deserve to be executed.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/mitchelle-blairWhen it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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11-23-2020, 11:33 AM #98
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11-23-2020, 11:35 AM #99
Emphatic yes.
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11-23-2020, 11:36 AM #100
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I'm for it but there has to be absolutely undeniable proof that the person committed to death did the crime. I mean there cant be any screw ups. One person being wrongfully put to death is a disaster and cannot happen. Seen way to many older cases of people being wrongfully committed because piece of **** cops, lawyers, and judges hid or ignored evidence that could of saved someones life. All they cared about was closing the case.
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11-23-2020, 11:41 AM #101
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11-23-2020, 11:53 AM #102
I don't think our justice system does that. Don't get me wrong, they get it right the overwhelming majority of the time, but there have been plenty of wrongly convicted people in our day. As it is now, you don't need a smoking gun scenario. The person just has to be found guilty with any amount of evidence. Usually the prosecutor is up front that they're going for the death penalty before the trial and all the evidence. Once they're guilty, they're guilty. Their sentencing isn't based on how likely it is they did it, they've already been proven to be guilty.
Hey, I'm not excusing rapists from people who can get the ax. If you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt... Sandusky can go to the guillotine too.
If there was an actual study showing that, then I would 100% be against that part of my idea. But (and maybe they have a bias) most of the stuff that I have heard is that trials and appeals end up costing more for a death penalty case than if they were just thrown away for life. If that's not true though... sheit... off with their heads!
Why? I don't care if the person is a threat to society because they're "insane", or because they're just cold blooded. If you did some heinous crime, you're a threat regardless. Off with their heads too.Everything depends upon execution; having just a vision is no solution.
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11-23-2020, 12:11 PM #103
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11-23-2020, 12:18 PM #104
Yeah totally agree! A monster who murders people in cold blood (could be your mom one day) and rapes kids and kills them absolutely deserves to be fed 3 times a day with a shower in amazing weather conditions for life with endless tv, workouts, and time to read and partake in other normal activities with maximum protection
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11-23-2020, 12:19 PM #105
There's lots of thought out there, and evidence, that the death penalty is the opposite of a deterrent and actually causes more murder as one needs to get rid of the evidence.
Rape for instance isn't a life sentence, but in PA a lot of rapists, especially toward kids will get like a 80 year sentence or more. So, the min date is 40 years from now. So, if you're 30 you MAY get out at 70, but if not, you have a life sentence, it's just not called that.
Really harsh sentence can also cause murder as it may seem better for the criminal to kill all witnesses to avoid spending life in jail.
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11-23-2020, 12:20 PM #106
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11-23-2020, 12:21 PM #107
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11-23-2020, 04:01 PM #108
So that means you are against death sentence when their is no proof of guilt without reasonable doubt.
Everyone should be against that.
That doesn't mean you are against the death penalty.
A confession is not proof of guilt without reasonable doubt.
He should have never been convicted to begin with.
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11-23-2020, 04:05 PM #109
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11-23-2020, 07:13 PM #110
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11-23-2020, 07:29 PM #112
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Didn't read thread but repeated studies have shown that the death penalty has zero effect in deterring offences. If anything it could be seen as the easy way out as opposed to life in prison.
Doesn't even prevent reoffending as someone sentenced to death has nothing to lose in the meantime so will commit any kind of assault etc In the system in the meantime.
Brb showing murdering is wrong by also murdering. Outdated punishment.
But despite all this realistically If someone close to you is taken I can't pretend I wouldn't understand the desire for retribution .
I'm against it but I understand the arguements for it.
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11-23-2020, 07:32 PM #113
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11-23-2020, 07:35 PM #114
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Killing is not wrong, murder is wrong, look up the definition of each. There are certain people you can't rehabilitate. Did you see my post on page two? Why pay for a lifetime of incarceration when a bullet costs $.75?
Please read that article.When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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11-23-2020, 07:51 PM #117
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Is killing someone in retribution on death row who can't realistically defend themselves not also murder, regardless of how much of a POS they are? Not saying it's not deserved but it's still hypocrisy and destroys the arguement of any sort of moral high ground. Medieval level.of justice.
Agreed that a bullet is less expensive but that's not the way it works. A capital punishment trial is so expensive (for fear of making a mistake that can't be changed) that it often costs more than life imprisonment (SRS). A bullet is cheaper, the death penalty isn't .
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11-23-2020, 07:58 PM #118
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It's not retribution, they're a waste of space and resources. And the reason capital punishment is expensive is because of the BS back and forth. Most people on death row don't even deny that they did the crime, they usually fight it with a BS excuse like their parents abused them. It's irrelevant, if you have mental health issues and you murdered 10 people, that's an even better reason to put you down than if you were of sound mind and committed the same crime.
Why don't we as a society do this, you wanna keep these animals alive, you pay for them, how about that? Or better yet, once someone is sentenced to death, we'll give them 1 year to find another country to take them in, if they find a country willing to take them in, then we extradite them to said country, where they can continue to murder people. If they don't, we put them down.When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
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11-23-2020, 08:09 PM #119
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The back and forth can be BS but you make a mistake and execute an innocent man..... No release from a life sentence, no compensation just straight up murder by the state. Not common but something they need to be very careful of hence the back and forth.
As for anti capital punishment people footing the bill, we don't choose which taxes we pay or laws we obey based on our personal feelings it's all or nothing. Would be like charging pro capital punishment people with a state capital punishment trial fees etc
Fully understand your points don't get me wrong just don't think they would work in practice. Not as simple as taking someone out back after a guilty verdict and giving them the firing squad.
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11-23-2020, 08:11 PM #120
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