*🇱🇷*🇱🇷* Election Chat Thread III: The land of Cope and Dreams *🇱🇷*🇱🇷*🇱🇷

[IronILLinois]

Powell is very smart to not leak info to the White House given their leakage problems.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4UvRrukbXk

https://stream.org/i-know-sidney-pow...ing-the-truth/

I honestly don't really follow American legal stuff, but the fact that Powell changed her career to fight back against the federal prosecutor cartel and its 99% conviction rate makes me think she's legit.

she is legit. i think they are distancing themselves from her cause she is going to turn a state. imagine the REEEE if a Trump lawyer flipped a state. working independent like Lin Wood.

[chalup]

going to start a threat on how many tweets to concrete evidence of any kind comes out. This twitter fashion needs to end. Stop tweeting until you are actually getting something done. It's turning into 2 more weeks bro! Like covid

[benedetto27]

Daily reminder that Joe Biden is still your President Elect and Kamala Harris is still your Vice President Elect. Both will be sworn in on Jan 20 next year. Have a nice evening.

Is that so?

[entropy91]

[memcop]

Daily reminder that Joe Biden is still your President Elect and Kamala Harris is still your Vice President Elect. Both will be sworn in on Jan 20 next year. Have a nice evening.

MocroPenis syndrome. Sad.

[entropy91]

Jennas starting to make me like her:



She's in the middle of probably the largest political fight in two decades....

https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/st...760903682?s=19

Lmaoo I'm ****ing ded

[StoliFun]

Lmaoo I'm ****ing ded

It would have been funnier if she instead replied "Deep sea energy exploration."

[Procta]

in on the election drama

Trump named lord emperor of the world yet?

[entropy91]

In case anyone needs cliffs of the last 3 threads

[JoshSP1985]

Is Trump's team trying to lose quickly and on purpose to elevate their case to the SC as quickly as possible and to hold as many cards from view as they can?

What I'm saying is that's an actual legit strategy right?

[Procta]

Trump's attorneys do not expect to win in the lower courts, but in appellate courts and SCOTUS.


Fake news trying to win the information war with all these lower court "losses" articles ... well duh thats the plan

[metroins]

Is Trump's team trying to lose quickly and on purpose to elevate their case to the SC as quickly as possible and to hold as many cards from view as they can?

What I'm saying is that's an actual legit strategy right?

No... well maybe.

In most case, at SCOTUS you cannot add in new evidence, they discuss the merits of the case and whether the lower courts rulings were correct.

Giuliani will be bound by what he can get entered into the lower courts, which so far has been nothing. SCOTUS could rule that his cases were improperly dismissed, kick it back to lower court to litigate properly.

Think of how death row inmates appeal to SCOTUS.

Sometimes when it's a National emergency, the argument can go right to SCOTUS but that's not what is happening. On such a short timeframe maybe they would because it's a Presidential election.

That is my understanding.

www.scotusblog.com is a great website.

Trump's attorneys do not expect to win in the lower courts, but in appellate courts and SCOTUS.


Fake news trying to win the information war with all these lower court "losses" articles ... well duh thats the plan

You have to get the evidence in the case to win on appeal. His cases are losing before he can even get evidence in because of incompetence.

Spoiler!

This is the entire Giuliani PA case.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...ockvar/?page=2

[PlanoLifter]

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/statu...65800957243392

Dear @realdonaldtrump supporters: SCOTUS is not getting involved. We wish it would. What a case! But unfortunately, that is a fever dream of gaslighting, insular, pro-Trump media that collects your attention, energy & money by deceiving you into seeing hope where none exists.

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/statu...81262151639041

Pop quiz: You think we’re biased? Of the 1000s of smart, conservative @fedsoc lawyers who — unlike @Sidneypowell1 & @rudygiuliani — have real serious experience, name one who thinks SCOTUS will do anything to bar certifying votes in favor of @joebiden over @realdonaldtrump

https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/statu...51901868396546

There is no chance SCOTUS will review the suit dismissed by Judge Brann seeking to block Pennsylvania’s certification. The lawyers representing the President are either delusional or intentionally misleading him and his supporters.

[Procta]

statement by Sidney Powell via Gen Flynn
(prolly in another thread)




IMO it does not sound like a shake up to me by the statements by Powell and by Trump's lawyers, seems like two different things going on at once

[JoshSP1985]

So let's assume all of this dominion stuff is horse****. What's the endgame?

Are they just trying to cast as much doubt on this election as possible to plant seeds of doubt in Trump supporter's heads to try to energize them for the midterms as a type of revenge?

Based on Sids last email we'll know by the end of the week.

[|ceman]

she is legit. i think they are distancing themselves from her cause she is going to turn a state. imagine the REEEE if a Trump lawyer flipped a state. working independent like Lin Wood.

Color me skeptical that the crazy lady with no evidence is going to have any impact on anything other than her reputation.

Trump's attorneys do not expect to win in the lower courts, but in appellate courts and SCOTUS.


Fake news trying to win the information war with all these lower court "losses" articles ... well duh thats the plan

You can't win any court case without evidence, and you can't submit new evidence at SCOTUS. Anyone who believes that doesn't understand how the appeals court system in the US works. The appeals courts and SCOTUS review the ruling of the lower court based on the motions and evidence presented at the lower court. The appeal process is basically asking a higher court to review the same evidence and find a different ruling because the lower court judge made a mistake of some sort. It's not a place to present a new case with new "blockbuster" evidence.

No... well maybe.

In most case, at SCOTUS you cannot add in new evidence, they discuss the merits of the case and whether the lower courts rulings were correct.

Giuliani will be bound by what he can get entered into the lower courts, which so far has been nothing. SCOTUS could rule that his cases were improperly dismissed, kick it back to lower court to litigate properly.

Think of how death row inmates appeal to SCOTUS.

Sometimes when it's a National emergency, the argument can go right to SCOTUS but that's not what is happening. On such a short timeframe maybe they would because it's a Presidential election.

That is my understanding.

www.scotusblog.com is a great website.



You have to get the evidence in the case to win on appeal. His cases are losing before he can even get evidence in because of incompetence.



This is the entire Giuliani PA case.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...ockvar/?page=2

This is accurate. ^^^

[|ceman]

So let's assume all of this dominion stuff is horse****. What's the endgame?

Are they just trying to cast as much doubt on this election as possible to plant seeds of doubt in Trump supporter's heads to try to energize them for the midterms as a type of revenge?

Based on Sids last email we'll know by the end of the week.

Looks like it's in the last paragraph in that statement - collecting as much money from believers as possible.

[metroins]

I was reading that some random County in PA (Berks County) won't certify their results until Wednesday.

I am not sure how it all plays in.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/polit...ion/index.html

Pennsylvania

Biden is currently leading in the Keystone State by more than 81,000 votes as most of the state's 67 counties -- except for Philadelphia and Berks, which includes Reading -- are expected to have meetings on Monday to certify their election results. Philadelphia is expected to meet Monday or Tuesday depending on a pending lawsuit filed in state court attempting to delay certification. The lawsuit could stall the state's overall certification process. Meanwhile, Berks County does not intend to certify until Wednesday, according to the Washington Post.

Spoiler!

This comes as a federal judge on Saturday fully rejected the Trump campaign's bid to block election results via court order, calling their legal reasoning "Frankenstein's monster" and their attempt to throw out millions of votes a violation of the Constitution.

Following the decision, Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, who's not running for reelection in 2022, congratulated Biden on his presidential victory.

"With today's decision by Judge Matthew Brann, a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist, to dismiss the Trump campaign's lawsuit, President Trump has exhausted all plausible legal options to challenge the result of the presidential race in Pennsylvania," Toomey said in a statement.

He pointed to Georgia's Friday certification of Biden's win and what he said was Michigan lawmakers' rejection of "the apparent attempt by President Trump to thwart the will of Michigan voters..." in his statement.

"These developments, together with the outcomes in the rest of the nation, confirm that Joe Biden won the 2020 election and will become the 46th President of the United States," he added.

Several prominent state and nationally elected Republicans had defended the Trump campaign's attempt in court.

The state Senate's Republican caucus spoke up a week after Election Day, saying the handling of some absentee ballots that infringed on voters' secrecy should invalidate the entire absentee vote in Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania Senate Republicans said they believed the handling of absentee ballots was a "disaster," an assertion state officials and election security officials have roundly rejected.

And on Saturday afternoon -- hours before Brann denied the Trump campaign's case to disenfranchise millions of voters because of unfounded theories of fraud and two voters casting deficient ballots -- Republican candidates in Pennsylvania and US Rep. Mike Kelly, who represents parts of northwestern Pennsylvania, filed a lawsuit and separately filed a brief in the Trump campaign case attacking management of the election and the security of ballots that were being processed.

Meanwhile, there have been discussions with Trump about inviting Republican state legislators to the White House, two sources told CNN on Friday. However, Jason Gottesman, a spokesperson for the Pennsylvania House GOP caucus, told CNN that no invitation has been extended.

The GOP-led state legislature has stated numerous times that they have no role in the selection of presidential electors and that the electors will go to the winner of the state's popular vote.

"The law states that when the secretary of state certifies the election, the governor appoints the electors. That's the law. And we will follow the law," said Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman in an interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer on November 19.

Pennsylvania is not expected to conduct a recount as the margin between the presidential candidates is greater than 0.5%, the threshold for avoiding automatically triggering the process. Unlike in Georgia, candidates in Pennsylvania can't request a recount but voters can on their behalf. The request must be submitted within five days of the election. Currently there are no recount petitions pending in the state.

Spoiler!

[Stizzel]

So let's assume all of this dominion stuff is horse****. What's the endgame?

Are they just trying to cast as much doubt on this election as possible to plant seeds of doubt in Trump supporter's heads to try to energize them for the midterms as a type of revenge?

Based on Sids last email we'll know by the end of the week.

Giulianis filings have nothing to do with dominion, they're all arguing that these votes are unconstitutional. She could be just a distraction. Wouldnt be the first time trump did something like that.

It would be out of character for her though.

We will find out soon enough so speculation is pointless.

[|ceman]

I'm just waiting for the eventual pivot to "It was always part of the plan to lose in 2020 to expose the corruption and to allow Biden to fail badly so that we will win 2024 in a landslide"

[propreffered7]

yea, idk what or who to trust, so im just backing out.

but i def. know the biased msm is going to try to turn it the opposite way if there is anything. that's for sure

[|ceman]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ll-nyt-2020-11

Trump axed campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was because 'she was too conspiratorial even for him'

When President Donald Trump on November 15 announced the legal team leading his campaign to overturn the result of the presidential election, among them Dallas attorney Sidney Powell, he described them as a "truly great team."

But only a week later, the Trump campaign abruptly distanced itself from Powell. The attorney's outlandish conspiracy theories became too much even for a president whose political identity is founded on stirring suspicion of "deep state" elites.


Comments to the Newsmax organization only two days after Thursday's press conference attracted criticism even from the president's allies.

In the interview, Powell claimed that top Republican officials in Georgia, including Governor Brian Kemp, were part of the plot to fix the election. "Georgia's probably going to be the first state I'm going to blow up and Mr Kemp and the secretary of state need to go with it," she said, adding that her lawsuit would be "biblical" in its scale.

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a longtime Trump advisor, was scathing about the Trump campaign's faltering legal effort to overturn the election in an interview with ABC News Sunday, describing the president's legal team as a "national embarrassment." He singled out Powell's claims about Georgia GOP officials for criticism, describing her conduct as "outrageous."


https://twitter.com/harrylitman/stat...13003637948418
Explanation of Sydney Powell's sacking by an anonymous Trump campaign official: “She was too crazy even for the president.”



https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status...57163090518018
The president was not pleased by the loss in the PA suit, per people familiar with what took place. Powell was easiest to vote off the island, especially as the president was getting complaints about her from a number of people.
“She was too conspiratorial even for him,” said one Trump adviser. Other advisers note there’s little daylight between what Giuliani and Powell have been serving up.

[metroins]

Michigan certification is today at 1:00pmEST streamed live on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MichSoSOffice

It should be interesting because 2D 2R and one of the R (Norman Shinkle) already said he would vote against certification.

Apparently the Governor Gretchen Wilson can remove him if she wants.

Also the MI Secretary of State is good looking, Jocelyn Benson.

[kingmanaverage]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ll-nyt-2020-11

Trump axed campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was because 'she was too conspiratorial even for him'

When President Donald Trump on November 15 announced the legal team leading his campaign to overturn the result of the presidential election, among them Dallas attorney Sidney Powell, he described them as a "truly great team."

But only a week later, the Trump campaign abruptly distanced itself from Powell. The attorney's outlandish conspiracy theories became too much even for a president whose political identity is founded on stirring suspicion of "deep state" elites.


Comments to the Newsmax organization only two days after Thursday's press conference attracted criticism even from the president's allies.

In the interview, Powell claimed that top Republican officials in Georgia, including Governor Brian Kemp, were part of the plot to fix the election. "Georgia's probably going to be the first state I'm going to blow up and Mr Kemp and the secretary of state need to go with it," she said, adding that her lawsuit would be "biblical" in its scale.

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, a longtime Trump advisor, was scathing about the Trump campaign's faltering legal effort to overturn the election in an interview with ABC News Sunday, describing the president's legal team as a "national embarrassment." He singled out Powell's claims about Georgia GOP officials for criticism, describing her conduct as "outrageous."


https://twitter.com/harrylitman/stat...13003637948418
Explanation of Sydney Powell's sacking by an anonymous Trump campaign official: “She was too crazy even for the president.”



https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status...57163090518018
The president was not pleased by the loss in the PA suit, per people familiar with what took place. Powell was easiest to vote off the island, especially as the president was getting complaints about her from a number of people.
“She was too conspiratorial even for him,” said one Trump adviser. Other advisers note there’s little daylight between what Giuliani and Powell have been serving up.

damn... that must be some next level of conspiracy theories she's pushing.

[Stizzel]

damn... that must be some next level of conspiracy theories she's pushing.

Imagine still taking anonymous sources seriously in 2020

[fishnbrah]

I'm just waiting for the eventual pivot to "It was always part of the plan to lose in 2020 to expose the corruption and to allow Biden to fail badly so that we will win 2024 in a landslide"

Exactly what I’m afraid of

[|ceman]

https://apnews.com/article/trump-cam...8a65bd267fde29


Powell made headlines with her statements at a Thursday news conference where, joined by Giuliani and Ellis, she incorrectly suggested that a server hosting evidence of voting irregularities was located in Germany, that voting software used by Georgia and other states was created at the direction of late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and that votes for Trump had probably been switched in favor of President-elect Joe Biden.

In a subsequent interview with Newsmax, she appeared to accuse Georgia’s Republican governor, Brian Kemp, and its Republican secretary of state of being part of a conspiracy involving a voting-system contract award that she contends harmed Trump’s reelection bid.

“Georgia’s probably going to be the first state I’m going to blow up and Mr. Kemp and the secretary of state need to go with it,” she said, later adding that a court filing she hoped to submit this week involving the state would be “biblical.”

The status of that lawsuit was unclear Sunday night.

Chris Krebs, who was recently fired by Trump as director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, tweeted Sunday night that “any claims of vote count manipulation” in Georgia “were nonsense from day 1” since the systems in the state had paper records that were validated in the recount.

[entropy91]

Tbh I'm not listening to these fringe as sources on either side. Will see what Sidney submits and go from there.

[metroins]

GSA Emily Murphy is in front of the House of Representatives right now being asked why she won't ascertain Joe Biden as the apparent winner and declare him President-elect.

https://popculture.com/trending/news...certification/

As Murphy continues to delay, four House Democrats have called her in for a briefing on Monday to explain herself. In a four-page letter to Murphy, House Oversight Committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney wrote: "We have been extremely patient, but we can wait no longer."

Pittsburgh PA just certified:

Spoiler!

[ItsJamesthefin]

GSA Emily Murphy is in front of the House of Representatives right now being asked why she won't ascertain Joe Biden as the apparent winner and declare him President-elect.

https://popculture.com/trending/news...certification/




Pittsburgh PA just certified:

Spoiler!

Pittsburgh is a joke and I live there. This is Bethany on the right



Let's add to the fact that she is on video trying to bite a guys private or atleast where it is with his pants on. She also is an ex heroin addict. How people support her is beyond me.