*🇱🇷*🇱🇷* Election Chat Thread III: The land of Cope and Dreams *🇱🇷*🇱🇷*🇱🇷

[Procta]

Trump n peached yet?

[metroins]

Trump n peached yet?

That occurred On Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2019; the U.S. House of Representatives voted to impeach President Donald J. Trump, making him the third president since the founding of the United States to face this sanction.

https://today.law.harvard.edu/roundu...ed-whats-next/

Spoiler!

[DeshaunWatson]

That occurred On Wednesday, Dec. 18, 2019; the U.S. House of Representatives voted to impeach President Donald J. Trump, making him the third president since the founding of the United States to face this sanction.

https://today.law.harvard.edu/roundu...ed-whats-next/

Spoiler!

What was he impeached for?

[metroins]

What was he impeached for?

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/de...mpeachment.pdf

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/h...hres755enr.pdf

[|ceman]

Biden sets all-time vote records and loses 90% of the bellwether counties some of which have been dead on since the 40s. Those counties batted 1000 in 2012 and 2016

Please explain that

bellwether meet watershed.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Mm9Pd35.png[img]

1 - isn't longcat still a bannable offense?

2 - isn't this a revised version of the first conspiracy that got all the Q nutjobs all juiced up with blue balls anticipating Hillary to be arrested and Obummer sent to Guantanamo Prison Camp? There's literally a zero percent chance this all happens as you want to believe.

The other stuff about Dominion is separate. It too, by itself, is enough to account for Biden's miracle "comebacks" in all of the battleground states, but it's a separate case. I don't think there is any chance they'll be able to prepare the necessary evidence in time to stop the wrongful choosing of electors for Biden. I think it'll proceed separately no matter what happens on December 14th. That's why Sydney Powell is working that independent of Trump's/Rudy's efforts. The burden is on Rudy to get this done in court and in the various legislatures in the 2 weeks we have left to stop the steal. I'm worried that there isn't enough time and that the GOP is too full of spineless jellyfish.

Anyone who still believes that Dominion changed votes needs to take a step back and realize that they have a physical paper copy of each vote that shows in plain text English the voting selection of the voter, which the voter reviews and then hands to a poll worker. This paper trail with human readable text was what was hand audited in Georgia and found that the paper trail matched the electronic count.

It's quite impossible to change the votes electronically when there is an auditable paper trail that shows the voter their selection in plain text.

Here is a sample ballot similar to the one used in Georgia:

This has been proven false at least 3 times in this thread. The 1.8 million number was from the primaries.

You can use the wayback machine to see::
https://web.archive.org/web/20201102...-2020G/PA.html

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1623685711

Color me unsurprised that 2x4 has fallen once again to a fake news internet social media meme. He's so gullible.

[MiscInformed]

bellwether meet watershed.




1 - isn't longcat still a bannable offense?

2 - isn't this a revised version of the first conspiracy that got all the Q nutjobs all juiced up with blue balls anticipating Hillary to be arrested and Obummer sent to Guantanamo Prison Camp? There's literally a zero percent chance this all happens as you want to believe.



Anyone who still believes that Dominion changed votes needs to take a step back and realize that they have a physical paper copy of each vote that shows in plain text English the voting selection of the voter, which the voter reviews and then hands to a poll worker. This paper trail with human readable text was what was hand audited in Georgia and found that the paper trail matched the electronic count.

It's quite impossible to change the votes electronically when there is an auditable paper trail that shows the voter their selection in plain text.

Here is a sample ballot similar to the one used in Georgia:





Color me unsurprised that 2x4 has fallen once again to a fake news internet social media meme. He's so gullible.

And yet... a high up executive at Dominion was on a conference call in September bragging to everyone listening that he'd (they'd) made sure that Trump couldn't win the election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_ks_sNITg

[ceizer1985]

And yet... a high up executive at Dominion was on a conference call in September bragging to everyone listening that he'd (they'd) made sure that Trump couldn't win the election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_ks_sNITg

Great. Someone should stop posting youtube videos about it and make it part of the 50 lawsuits they have filed so far in court.

You keep posting these links as if they mean anything in real life.

[Stizzel]

Great. Someone should stop posting youtube videos about it and make it part of the 50 lawsuits they have filed so far in court.

You keep posting these links as if they mean anything in real life.

See my thread on pennsylvania brah

The happenings are coming

[MiscInformed]

Great. Someone should stop posting youtube videos about it and make it part of the 50 lawsuits they have filed so far in court.

You keep posting these links as if they mean anything in real life.

I know that's a talking point of the left, but if anyone takes the time to look at all of these supposed "losses Trump is taking in court", you would see that the talking point is mostly smoke and mirrors FUD by the left.

Some of these court proceedings are over procedural issues. Some are in front of hostile judges. Some are delaying tactics. None of them really mean anything now. The case ultimately has to be decided by the SCOTUS. Losses now are expected because each loss allows you to appeal the case in front of a higher court.

I think there are 3 ways this can go.

The SCOTUS refuses to take the case. This is highly unlikely.

The SCOTUS takes the case, but rules that there isn't sufficient evidence to nullify the results in the states in question.

The SCOTUS takes the case, rules that there is sufficient evidence, but defers to the states in question for remediation.

Until we get to that point, none of those little lawsuits about rules in use for mandated recounts (or whatever) means anything in the grand scheme.

I understand why the left is harping on it though. It serves their narrative and to ignorant or fiercely partisan listeners, it makes it sound like Trump is grasping at straws. He isn't. I know it. You know it. That sort of gaslighting doesn't work here.

The question is 1) is there enough time to put together a winning case in front of the SCOTUS, and if so, 2) will the GOP legislatures grow a sack in the next 2 weeks and have the courage to do what's right and just and seat Trump electors despite the wishes of the media and the democRAT coalition of radicals, billionaires, and Hollyweirdos.

[metroins]

I know that's a talking point of the left, but if anyone takes the time to look at all of these supposed "losses Trump is taking in court", you would see that the talking point is mostly smoke and mirrors FUD by the left.

Some of these court proceedings are over procedural issues. Some are in front of hostile judges. Some are delaying tactics. None of them really mean anything now. The case ultimately has to be decided by the SCOTUS. Losses now are expected because each loss allows you to appeal the case in front of a higher court.

I think there are 3 ways this can go.

The SCOTUS refuses to take the case. This is highly unlikely.

The SCOTUS takes the case, but rules that there isn't sufficient evidence to nullify the results in the states in question.

The SCOTUS takes the case, rules that there is sufficient evidence, but defers to the states in question for remediation.

Until we get to that point, none of those little lawsuits about rules in use for mandated recounts (or whatever) means anything in the grand scheme.

I understand why the left is harping on it though. It serves their narrative and to ignorant or fiercely partisan listeners, it makes it sound like Trump is grasping at straws. He isn't. I know it. You know it. That sort of gaslighting doesn't work here.

The question is 1) is there enough time to put together a winning case in front of the SCOTUS, and if so, 2) will the GOP legislatures grow a sack in the next 2 weeks and have the courage to do what's right and just and seat Trump electors despite the wishes of the media and the democRAT coalition of radicals, billionaires, and Hollyweirdos.

Which case is going to SCOTUS?

Which case is going to overturn the election in 3 states?

Nobody has answered those questions yet. Every suit since November 10th has been incompetent lawyering.

[|ceman]

And yet... a high up executive at Dominion was on a conference call in September bragging to everyone listening that he'd (they'd) made sure that Trump couldn't win the election.

[youtube]qZ_ks_sNITg[/yotube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_ks_sNIT

1 - there is a verifiable paper trail, so even if Dominion wanted to, they couldn't change votes that were printed on paper. And the paper counts were hand audited in Georgia.

2 - that video proves nothing and is super suspect. It's from OAN and d the guy being interviewed is founder of a hard right fringe organization, plus he has no proof other than his word that he infiltrated this supposed call. Sketchy as hell , but again, even if true, they can't change paper printed out ballots.

[|ceman]

The question is 1) is there enough time to put together a winning case in front of the SCOTUS, and if so, 2) will the GOP legislatures grow a sack in the next 2 weeks and have the courage to do what's right and just and seat Trump electors despite the wishes of the media and the democRAT coalition of radicals, billionaires, and Hollyweirdos.

GOP legislatures are quite unlikely to break the law and illegally choose electors against the confirmed will of their voters. Even Trump knows this.

To believe otherwise is as cringey as liberals that were hoping that same thing in 2016 that electors would vote for Clinton instead of Trump even though their state went for Trump.

It's a pipe dream.

[ceizer1985]

I know that's a talking point of the left, but if anyone takes the time to look at all of these supposed "losses Trump is taking in court", you would see that the talking point is mostly smoke and mirrors FUD by the left.

Some of these court proceedings are over procedural issues. Some are in front of hostile judges. Some are delaying tactics. None of them really mean anything now. The case ultimately has to be decided by the SCOTUS. Losses now are expected because each loss allows you to appeal the case in front of a higher court.

I think there are 3 ways this can go.

The SCOTUS refuses to take the case. This is highly unlikely.

The SCOTUS takes the case, but rules that there isn't sufficient evidence to nullify the results in the states in question.

The SCOTUS takes the case, rules that there is sufficient evidence, but defers to the states in question for remediation.

Until we get to that point, none of those little lawsuits about rules in use for mandated recounts (or whatever) means anything in the grand scheme.

I understand why the left is harping on it though. It serves their narrative and to ignorant or fiercely partisan listeners, it makes it sound like Trump is grasping at straws. He isn't. I know it. You know it. That sort of gaslighting doesn't work here.

The question is 1) is there enough time to put together a winning case in front of the SCOTUS, and if so, 2) will the GOP legislatures grow a sack in the next 2 weeks and have the courage to do what's right and just and seat Trump electors despite the wishes of the media and the democRAT coalition of radicals, billionaires, and Hollyweirdos.

SCOTUS won't be taking the case. It's a pile of garbage and waste of their time.

Similarly to the what the appeals court just said yesterday in PA. Not even worth their time in terms of oral arguments.

[ceizer1985]

Melania's moving on.

https://pagesix.com/2020/11/28/melan...e-white-house/

[MiscInformed]

SCOTUS won't be taking the case. It's a pile of garbage and waste of their time.

Similarly to the what the appeals court just said yesterday in PA. Not even worth their time in terms of oral arguments.

The dumbest of all hot takes. Based solely on what you want to happen, not what is actually happening.

The SCOTUS must take the case. It's too important not to. Half the country has been disenfranchised. Whether you think they have or not is irrelevant. They think they have. I do too. For the SCOTUS to ignore their (our) concerns would be the final straw. They will hear the case brought in front of them by Rudy. Whether he can make the case is the issue. To those of us who feel that the election has been stolen (blatantly so!), we know this must get to the SCOTUS one way or another and the other cases don't mean much right now. The case the SCOTUS will get is one of election results integrity and whether state laws have been followed when making wholesale changes to the election rules the 2020 election was decided under. The latter is a slam dunk. I don't know about the former. Tough to put together an airtight case for something like that in just 4 weeks. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence and affidavits showing wide scale disenfranchisement of lawful voters, but I have no idea what threshold they have to get past for the SCOTUS to consider that proof to be sufficient to warrant a judicial remedy.

[MonyTontana]

Melania's moving on.

"Sources say"

groundbreaking journalism.

[ceizer1985]

The dumbest of all hot takes. Based solely on what you want to happen, not what is actually happening.

The SCOTUS must take the case. It's too important not to. Half the country has been disenfranchised. Whether you think they have or not is irrelevant. They think they have. I do too. For the SCOTUS to ignore their (our) concerns would be the final straw. They will hear the case brought in front of them by Rudy. Whether he can make the case is the issue. To those of us who feel that the election has been stolen (blatantly so!), we know this must get to the SCOTUS one way or another and the other cases don't mean much right now. The case the SCOTUS will get is one of election results integrity and whether state laws have been followed when making wholesale changes to the election rules the 2020 election was decided under. The latter is a slam dunk. I don't know about the former. Tough to put together an airtight case for something like that in just 4 weeks. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence and affidavits showing wide scale disenfranchisement of lawful voters, but I have no idea what threshold they have to get past for the SCOTUS to consider that proof to be sufficient to warrant a judicial remedy.

Lol. Something tells me that real life is going to come at you real fast real soon. No one cares about whether you "feel" something was stolen. Courts only care about facts.

Not my words, words of the Appeals court: “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote for the three-judge panel.

I hope you will accept it when it happens instead of running back to Trump for some clarification.

[ceizer1985]

"Sources say"

groundbreaking journalism.

NY Post who was cited here for weeks during the Hunter Biden story is not credible anymore? I'm shocked at this turn of events.

[MiscInformed]

GOP legislatures are quite unlikely to break the law and illegally choose electors against the confirmed will of their voters. Even Trump knows this.

To believe otherwise is as cringey as liberals that were hoping that same thing in 2016 that electors would vote for Clinton instead of Trump even though their state went for Trump.

It's a pipe dream.

You're wrong. In bold are your feelings, but they aren't real.

Legislatures choose the electors. They can choose any group of people they want to and it's 100% legal. They are not required to choose the electors that the media wants them to, especially if they believe the election was fraudulent. The question is whether they will. Normally, a state level politician worries more about his own future and that's why they don't risk going against the wishes of their voters. However, if they believe their voters really did vote for Trump and they know they'll get primary-ed for buckling under pressure from the Biden-supporting media, the more dangerous course of action for their career is to do nothing.

The problem with this... and this should be chilling even if you are a Biden voter... is the pressure being brought to bear from bad actors outside of these states who are threatening to dox any legislator and their families who vote for Trump electors. There are a lot of unhinged TDS-afflicted Biden voters out there and these veiled threats of political violence have no place in a democracy. We already have enough political violence in 2020 by the left directed at monuments and police.

We don't need more Scalise-style shootings plaguing the country.

[MiscInformed]

Lol. Something tells me that real life is going to come at you real fast real soon. No one cares about whether you "feel" something was stolen. Courts only care about facts.

Not my words, words of the Appeals court: “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote for the three-judge panel.

I hope you will accept it when it happens instead of running back to Trump for some clarification.

LOL. In 2016, on election night Hillary got drunk, cursed out everyone around her, and smashed as many lamps as she could find. The next morning she sobered up and claimed that Putin and Russia had stolen the election for Trump on the basis of ZERO evidence. For 3 years we had 99% of the media hammering home this narrative nightly until finally, after many millions of dollars were wasted and several lives were ruined, the narrative was proven to be totally unfounded.

Now, in 2020, you're acting like election fraud is inconceivable. That TDS-afflicted Biden supporters running ballot counting centers in blue cities, with all blue election workers, and local police and judges controlled by blue politicians, and election rules litigated by blue lawyers to be so wide open to fraud that you could drive a freight train through them, are so concerned with election honesty and integrity that there is no chance they'd add a few hundred thousand votes when nobody was watching to ensure Biden beats Trump.

Even after Biden bragged about having the best voter fraud team ever assembled.

Even after Biden told his supporters he didn't need their votes for the election, but he did need their support after.

Just LOL.

[Stizzel]

LOL. In 2016, on election night Hillary got drunk, cursed out everyone around her, and smashed as many lamps as she could find. The next morning she sobered up and claimed that Putin and Russia had stolen the election for Trump on the basis of ZERO evidence. For 3 years we had 99% of the media hammering home this narrative nightly until finally, after many millions of dollars were wasted and several lives were ruined, the narrative was proven to be totally unfounded.

Now, in 2020, you're acting like election fraud is inconceivable. That TDS-afflicted Biden supporters running ballot counting centers in blue cities, with all blue election workers, and local police and judges controlled by blue politicians, and election rules litigated by blue lawyers to be so wide open to fraud that you could drive a freight train through them, are so concerned with election honesty and integrity that there is no chance they'd add a few hundred thousand votes when nobody was watching to ensure Biden beats Trump.

Even after Biden bragged about having the best voter fraud team ever assembled.

Even after Biden told his supporters he didn't need their votes for the election, but he did need their support after.

Just LOL.

He's talking about the case rudy filed in PA. I dont know if there was some kind if mistake or what (i think there have been 2-3 different lawfirms involved) but none of the evidence rudy has was included, and the way it was filed was really bad. He keeps saying its okay cus we want to get to SCOTUS anyway but as far as I can tell thats not how this works. If he had filed differently he could have had this with SCOTUS last week.

That being said he's having a lot more success with the legislature which may have been the point. The legislature doesnt need court approval to take over

[memcop]

He's talking about the case rudy filed in PA. I dont know if there was some kind if mistake or what (i think there have been 2-3 different lawfirms involved) but none of the evidence rudy has was included, and the way it was filed was really bad. He keeps saying its okay cus we want to get to SCOTUS anyway but as far as I can tell thats not how this works. If he had filed differently he could have had this with SCOTUS last week.

That being said he's having a lot more success with the legislature which may have been the point. The legislature doesnt need court approval to take over

You may be right. This looks like state legislatures being the target. Not sure what they will drop in the next week but it will be an attempt at an empirical "boom" that pressures the legislature to send Republican electors.

To be honest we really dont care if you burn your own cities down and the legislatures should be doing this to choke off large cities in the future.

Same premise as electoral college but at state level. They just need to do it already. Libs want to play ruthless politics, this will settle it for good.

[Stizzel]

You may be right. This looks like state legislatures being the target. Not sure what they will drop in the next week but it will be an attempt at an empirical "boom" that pressures the legislature to send Republican electors.

To be honest we really dont care if you burn your own cities down and the legislatures should be doing this to choke off large cities in the future.

Same premise as electoral college but at state level. They just need to do it already. Libs want to play ruthless politics, this will settle it for good.

Honestly I think they're pursuing both and just going with whatever appears to be working. Our system wasn't really set up to rely on courts though, the legislature is the real authority here. I mean I want to believe Rudy is playing 4d chess but until I have more reason to believe it I'm going to assume they dun goofed with the courts, at least in PA, so they're going for the legislature.

[memcop]

Honestly I think they're pursuing both and just going with whatever appears to be working. Our system wasn't really set up to rely on courts though, the legislature is the real authority here. I mean I want to believe Rudy is playing 4d chess but until I have more reason to believe it I'm going to assume they dun goofed with the courts, at least in PA, so they're going for the legislature.

Id rather go nuclear and just have red legislatures call the elections.

[Mr Beer]

LOL. In 2016, on election night Hillary got drunk, cursed out everyone around her, and smashed as many lamps as she could find.

...and then the next day she formally and publically conceded the election and congratulated Donald Trump on his win.

Trump is more of a crybaby tantrum-chucker than Hillary Clinton. Let that sink in.

[chaunce54]

...and then the next day she formally and publically conceded the election and congratulated Donald Trump on his win.

Trump is more of a crybaby tantrum-chucker than Hillary Clinton. Let that sink in.

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Joe Biden should not concede the 2020 presidential election “under any circumstances," anticipating issues that could prolong knowing the final outcome.

“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said in an interview with her former communications director Jennifer Palmieri for Showtime's “The Circus,” which released a clip Tuesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...under-n1238156

Hmmmm. Almost like she knew the fix was in...


So if that's great advice for Biden, wouldn't it be the same for Trump???

[memcop]

...and then the next day she formally and publically conceded the election and congratulated Donald Trump on his win.

Trump is more of a crybaby tantrum-chucker than Hillary Clinton. Let that sink in.

So how many days did it take the media to "call" the election?

How is it comparable to your next day scenario?

Just on it's own, these swing states had a low to no rejection rate on mail-ins when in the primaries a month before was at 4.5%.

There's your proof as well as the difference in the election outcome.

[ItsJamesthefin]

So how many days did it take the media to "call" the election?

How is it comparable to your next day scenario?

Just on it's own, these swing states had a low to no rejection rate on mail-ins when in the primaries a month before was at 4.5%.

There's your proof as well as the difference in the election outcome.

I mean it doesn't even need to be as nefarious as Dominion switching our votes which I believe
happened. This right here with the mail in ballots was the difference. They were so easy to manipulate and just push through that it changed the tides.

I mean we don't even have to look into the other things that happened like shutting down the count in Atlanta because a Urinal was leaking lmao.

[DuracellBunny]

I mean it doesn't even need to be as nefarious as Dominion switching our votes which I believe
happened. This right here with the mail in ballots was the difference. They were so easy to manipulate and just push through that it changed the tides.

I mean we don't even have to look into the other things that happened like shutting down the count in Atlanta because a Urinal was leaking lmao.

So you're saying the problem was people taking the piss.

[z4v4]

The amount of cope is just unreal. The assertion that the SCOTUS must waste their time on cases that lower courts rule is a waste of time is the epitome of muh feels.

But hey, let's just give ya PA, okay? Biden still wins with 286.