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    Are you starting to know more and more people with COVID-19

    I am. This weekend, I was hanging with Dad's from my son's hockey team. 3 of them, plus their family members have all had it within the past 2 months. Today, I find out that spouses of two of our assistants in separate offices were diagnosed this weekend. I get almost daily notices of it now in my son's school, and my wife is starting to tell me almost daily quarantine orders in her district.

    Are others seeing this too?
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    Absolutely. I know several people who have had it, and in my state (Indiana) I did some quick math and it appears as if 1 in 25 have had it.
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    Yes. My county is extremely rural. It took a while to get to us, I guess.
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    In the first wave I knew a lot of people who had it and I know of some who died from it (but all had underlying conditions so I don't really know now)

    So far this time around I don't know anyone who has had it, my wife got tested today (her job had her do it) and she tested negative.
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    100% positive I have it back in January, & then nothing until lately when a couple of my employees have been positive, neither of them had any severe symptoms and recovered perfectly fine and they said it was just like a regular old flu.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    I am. This weekend, I was hanging with Dad's from my son's hockey team. 3 of them, plus their family members have all had it within the past 2 months. Today, I find out that spouses of two of our assistants in separate offices were diagnosed this weekend. I get almost daily notices of it now in my son's school, and my wife is starting to tell me almost daily quarantine orders in her district.

    Are others seeing this too?
    Almost unavoidable where I work. Lost 15 people in the past week due to positive tests and quarantines. More are opting not to take labor orders because they are afraid to get sick.

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    Several coworkers have had it. One coworker's mother just died from it, but she apparently wasn't in the best of health before contracting it.
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    neither of them had any severe symptoms and recovered perfectly fine and they said it was just like a regular old flu.
    More specific info regarding this is what I'd like to see. I'm not sure of the whole gamut of covid possibilities, but I think they include at least the following (with perhaps some combination like headache and flu-like symptoms:

    asymptomatic
    loss of taste/smell
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    significant flu-like symptoms (my wife had it in June and said it was 10X worse than the flu)
    major complications requiring hosptilization
    death

    If 80% of the people experience nothing greater than the first three from this list, then it really puts a different perspective on things IMO.

    Has anyone seen any stats on how--on average--the disease is experienced?

    P.S. My wife (an RN) had a 52 year old coworker die from it about a month before she contracted it, but her friend had diabetes and one other comorbidity IIRC.
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    We know several people that have had it and at least one with long Covid (lingering side effects that are likely permanent). During the height of the first wave the long term care home across the street was basically a Covid hot zone with ambulances showing up regularly to haul away folks who almost never came back.
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    I just found out a friend of mine in Chicago had it. He said he had a sore throat and cough for a few days but wasn't that bad.

    His dad ended up getting and had to go to the hospital because he was having a hard time breathing. He's just about recovered though.

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    I really think I had it back in March, but I was not tested. I've continued to work, travel, and fly since then, and I believe that I haven't gotten it again is because of antibodies. From what I've read, I'm probably running out or I am out of resistance by now, so I expect to get it, or get it again.

    What's strange to me is that masks have been the norm for a couple months now and the spread is rising fast. Because we are testing more? Because there is greater spread? I'm confused. I really am. But, I am an 'essential worker,' so I plan to continue working.
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    In the first wave I knew a lot of people who had it and I know of some who died from it (but all had underlying conditions so I don't really know now)

    So far this time around I don't know anyone who has had it...
    The same as above, except to add I know of (friend of wife and friend of my dad) who are *still* really ill/exhausted from contracting COVID in the first wave. "Long COVID" (in younger healthy individuals) is what scares me the most, thankfully less common but it seems to be missed by the media who see things only as a short term live/die issue
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    The same as above, except to add I know of (friend of wife and friend of my dad) who are *still* really ill/exhausted from contracting COVID in the first wave. "Long COVID" (in younger healthy individuals) is what scares me the most, thankfully less common but it seems to be missed by the media who see things only as a short term live/die issue
    Exactly.
    The older population I work with - yes we're scared about them dying, but they also tend to have tough long term recovery. My uncle is in that category - relatively healthy before, still can't go back to work now.
    Today the buddy I'm staying with while on orders found out that 2 of his 4 family members got COVID on a trip to see their family in NY (all her family tested positive this week).
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    100% positive I have it back in January, & then nothing until lately when a couple of my employees have been positive, neither of them had any severe symptoms and recovered perfectly fine and they said it was just like a regular old flu.

    Governor just got off his soapbox, stating, this is not the flu, this is not fake news, this is SERIOUS. I said, yeah Porky (pig) that’s why so few are actually getting sick.
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    More specific info regarding this is what I'd like to see. I'm not sure of the whole gamut of covid possibilities, but I think they include at least the following (with perhaps some combination like headache and flu-like symptoms:

    asymptomatic
    loss of taste/smell
    mild flu-like symptoms
    significant headache
    significant flu-like symptoms (my wife had it in June and said it was 10X worse than the flu)
    major complications requiring hosptilization
    death

    If 80% of the people experience nothing greater than the first three from this list, then it really puts a different perspective on things IMO.

    Has anyone seen any stats on how--on average--the disease is experienced?

    P.S. My wife (an RN) had a 52 year old coworker die from it about a month before she contracted it, but her friend had diabetes and one other comorbidity IIRC.
    One of them had the loss of taste that lasted for a few days and he said he had bad night sweats but that was about it. The other guy literally had symptoms for 1 day where he had a fever and couldn't keep anything down, then it was over and done with.
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    We had one semi-retired guy at work die from it a couple weeks ago. He was a bundle of energy. He was out kayaking and taking groups out, including my family, every day, even in the winter. You'd see his truck loaded up with kayaks running back and forth. He also went to our church where he was involved in everything, singing in the choir, acting in the dramas, on the counseling team...

    His granddaughter was one of my students and his grandsons did sports with my daughters and I'd see him at events. His grandsons are now college athletes. Some of the most precious times in my life with my father were watching my son in college sports. It guts me that he, his son, and his grandsons get that taken away from them because of this stupid virus.

    We had another semi-retired guy at work die from it. He'd come around and want to talk, but I was always too busy.

    The guy in the office next to me got it. A young and skinny guy, he got real sick but came out just fine. He was able to keep his newborn baby from getting it.

    My wife's sister and her husband got it. Again, got real sick, but got through it.

    There are 45 patients with it in the hospital where my daughter works, they're not allowing any more transfers in. They had a healthy 30 year old and a healthy 50 year old die from it. My daughter has remained uninfected.
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    I had it in March. My family and all my coworkers in the engineering department had it.

    We all had it.

    And we are alive.

    But you know who died? People with comorbidities. You know who else? People who were affected by the lockdown - suicides mainly. And what else died? The economy and our freedoms.

    Yet sheep continue to believe gubmint is here to help.

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    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post
    I had it in March. My family and all my coworkers in the engineering department had it.

    We all had it.

    And we are alive.

    But you know who died? People with comorbidities. You know who else? People who were affected by the lockdown - suicides mainly. And what else died? The economy and our freedoms.

    Yet sheep continue to believe gubmint is here to help.

    Yes. I used the term sheep again. Lol.
    Thats great that you did well, you skated thru this disaster no problem. Congrats

    Comorbidities: your talking about a huge slice of the population tho, a large chunk of them come by their "weaknesses" honestly. So we are supposed to sacrifice them? I dont believe in complete lockdowns either, but sometimes you have to put society first. Thats the difference between civilization and chaos. Please share your data on the epidemic of suicides.
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    No. I knew one who died in June. He was only 45.

    My partner knows more in his care home where he works. Some residents died. Now another one has breathing problems. And probably all his nurse friends were tested positive. And co-workers in the care home are isolated at home. And some friends went to hospital including ICU.

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    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post

    But you know who died? People with comorbidities.
    That's 45% of the US population.
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    One of the confusing things to me is that everywhere I've gone in the past few months, people are wearing masks, yet the numbers are soaring. Last night, one of my Partners advised that his 14 yr old daughter has is. She has mild cold symptoms. No one else in the house has symptoms; he's married with 3 daughters.

    These stories of deaths of young and/or seemingly healthy people are shocking. To my knowledge, the death rate is about .03 or one third of one percent. And from that number, the vast majority of deaths are people 70 plus yrs old. Yet, the virus seems to reach into whatever other population it chooses to take people. Someday, I expect we will understand why. Right now, it's mostly guesswork.

    The reason we need to understand why these seemingly healthy people die is so we can better strategize how to manage this virus. I'm sorry but shutting down is not the answer for more reasons than I care to type. If others feel differently, at this point in the game, then I'm not going to convince you otherwise anyways. But yes, there are economic factors and mental health factors that we can't even begin to know yet. Spousal abuse, child abuse, etc. We just don't know how widespread some of this is with families being shut in together. (Yes, most abuse is by a family member)

    I'm all for the lockdown of the known at risk people and the integration of the healthy people to go to work, school, etc. Obviously it's shocking when you hear of healthy people, 23 yr olds, etc dying. It fks up the strategy of how to reopen society.

    As for me, I now know over a dozen people who have it or who have a family member with it. I know of one death. A good friend's father died from COVID. Great man. I fished and hunted with him over the years. He was over 70 and had COPD.

    I'm still working; my kids are shutdown from school but sports are still on. I can't envision a scenario where I somehow avoid getting this virus. It is super transmissible, spreads through aerosols and off of surfaces and seems to do best in cold, dry environments. How do you avoid something like that without destroying society??
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post


    To my knowledge, the death rate is about .03 or one third of one percent.

    Check your knowledge. 0.03 is 3 of 100 or 3%.

    That is about 30x the flu death rate.


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    one of the confusing things to me is that everywhere i've gone in the past few months, people are wearing masks, yet the numbers are soaring.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    ^^^this!!!
    Except for all the Halloween parties, protests, street celebrations, ect ect.

    Are we are really going to pretend that masks have been worn "everywhere"? Yes, masks have been worn but its been spotty so no surprise here. Couple that with weather change and less outdoor activities and its pretty obvious unless of course one is looking to advance the masks don't work argument.

    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post
    I had it in March. My family and all my coworkers in the engineering department had it.

    We all had it.

    And we are alive.

    But you know who died? People with comorbidities. You know who else? People who were affected by the lockdown - suicides mainly. And what else died? The economy and our freedoms.

    Yet sheep continue to believe gubmint is here to help.

    Yes. I used the term sheep again. Lol.
    You're not wrong. Got a call yesterday about my Marine buddy w/ PTSD who was a casualty to the shutdowns. Many of us did what we could to help him but the disruption of his positive daily routine lead him down a dark road.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    The reason we need to understand why these seemingly healthy people die is so we can better strategize how to manage this virus.
    There is so much we don't understand about the virus, but we know some risk factors. that's the word: risk.

    Lung cancer from smoking is one of the most solid risk factors we have, yet 90% of life-long smokers do not get lung cancer. And some who never smoke do get lung cancer. It's a risk, not an absolute connection.

    Likewise with protective measures. Masks, distancing, washing hands, etc. lower risk. They do not eliminate risk and nobody is saying they do. And if you don't do them, you are not assured of getting it. But they do lower risk.

    And if you get it, the various comorbidities are factors, but they don't absolutely determine what's going to happen. Some elderly asthmatic diabetics make it through, a few young healthy people die from it.

    If the weatherman says there's a 90% chance of rain tomorrow and it doesn't rain, he wasn't "wrong", he just gave you the risk of rain based on conditions and what science has learned from the past.

    Do what you can to lower risk of getting the virus but understand we're dealing in risks, not absolute cause and effect.
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