Are you starting to know more and more people with COVID-19

[mtpockets]

We had one semi-retired guy at work die from it a couple weeks ago. He was a bundle of energy. He was out kayaking and taking groups out, including my family, every day, even in the winter. You'd see his truck loaded up with kayaks running back and forth. He also went to our church where he was involved in everything, singing in the choir, acting in the dramas, on the counseling team...

His granddaughter was one of my students and his grandsons did sports with my daughters and I'd see him at events. His grandsons are now college athletes. Some of the most precious times in my life with my father were watching my son in college sports. It guts me that he, his son, and his grandsons get that taken away from them because of this stupid virus.

We had another semi-retired guy at work die from it. He'd come around and want to talk, but I was always too busy.

The guy in the office next to me got it. A young and skinny guy, he got real sick but came out just fine. He was able to keep his newborn baby from getting it.

My wife's sister and her husband got it. Again, got real sick, but got through it.

There are 45 patients with it in the hospital where my daughter works, they're not allowing any more transfers in. They had a healthy 30 year old and a healthy 50 year old die from it. My daughter has remained uninfected.

There is so much we don't understand about the virus, but we know some risk factors. that's the word: risk.

Lung cancer from smoking is one of the most solid risk factors we have, yet 90% of life-long smokers do not get lung cancer. And some who never smoke do get lung cancer. It's a risk, not an absolute connection.

Likewise with protective measures. Masks, distancing, washing hands, etc. lower risk. They do not eliminate risk and nobody is saying they do. And if you don't do them, you are not assured of getting it. But they do lower risk.

And if you get it, the various comorbidities are factors, but they don't absolutely determine what's going to happen. Some elderly asthmatic diabetics make it through, a few young healthy people die from it.

If the weatherman says there's a 90% chance of rain tomorrow and it doesn't rain, he wasn't "wrong", he just gave you the risk of rain based on conditions and what science has learned from the past.

Do what you can to lower risk of getting the virus but understand we're dealing in risks, not absolute cause and effect.

Update: 56 patients

They've had 41 die from covid since it started.

Solid posts. Thanks for the update Gabbar. Hope your daughter remains uninfected. It can't be easy working in an environment like that. Kudos to her.

[taskmob]

I am. This weekend, I was hanging with Dad's from my son's hockey team. 3 of them, plus their family members have all had it within the past 2 months. Today, I find out that spouses of two of our assistants in separate offices were diagnosed this weekend. I get almost daily notices of it now in my son's school, and my wife is starting to tell me almost daily quarantine orders in her district.

Are others seeing this too?

Okay, did any of them die? Lol no? Then it's just the flu bro.

[mtpockets]

Okay, did any of them die? Lol no? Then it's just the flu bro.

We are what? 10 months into this? Anyone who still thinks this is just the flu has their head up their ass.

[ArchAngel'73]

We are what? 10 months into this? Anyone who still thinks this is just the flu has their head up their ass.

Agreed.

I have an uncle that died from covid this week.

[mtpockets]

Agreed.

I have an uncle that died from covid this week.

Sorry to hear that AA, condolences.

[TheIronAsylum]

2nd wave is always the worst

[RussianGerman]

Cases =\= deaths.

[ENCBBQ]

Evidently trump skipped a G20 pandemic conference meeting to fit in some golf today

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...us/ar-BB1beLJI


Trump has golfed 287 times with an estimated cost to taxpayers of $142 million...67 million spent at trumps Mar a lago club

[OldFartTom]

Evidently trump skipped a G20 pandemic conference meeting to fit in some golf today...

But if he'd blown out a golf event to attend a G20 meeting the media would have reported "President Trump today turned his back on greenkeepers and other traditionally low paid members of the hospitality industry" I am completely neutral/disinterested in who you guys pick as your president, but I do have a healthy synicism of the media in all countries

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Condolences to AA for his loss

[mtpockets]

[Gabbar99]

Cases =\= deaths.

There's a lag and the death/case ratio was higher early on, but more cases does mean more deaths.

[mtpockets]

[LWW]

We are what? 10 months into this? Anyone who still thinks this is just the flu has their head up their ass.

I’d say it’s the other way around particularly with YOU.

Btw my grandfather fell very ill to something called Shingles, and Shingles is contagious, he had it in his head, was sick for months, then the COVID hit, he slowly died from summer 2019 till summer 2020 and I only saw him once in that period, was less than 10 minutes from me too.

[mtpockets]

Btw my grandfather fell very ill to something called Shingles, and Shingles is contagious, he had it in his head, was sick for months, then the COVID hit, he slowly died from summer 2019 till summer 2020 and I only saw him once in that period, was less than 10 minutes from me too.

Sorry for the loss

I’d say it’s the other way around particularly with YOU.

I am guessing that you think Covid is no worse than the flu? If so, why don't you pull your head out of your ass and tell me why you think so. I'll wait.

























No swearing though, it's Sunday and it stunts your growth.

[LWW]

Sorry for the loss





I am guessing that you think Covid is no worse than the flu? If so, why don't you pull your head out of your ass and tell me why you think so. I'll wait.






















No swearing though, it's Sunday and it stunts your growth.

If science can't be argued, than it ain't science. You said "head up azz" that's a curse word, I was not allowed to say such things as a young boy, at least around grandparents.

[LWW]

Look at this trend in record breaking increases in deaths, hosptializatons, and illnesses in the Flu that increases every year.

Over 900,000 hospitalizations in 2018.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...204_story.html

[mtpockets]

The CDC estimated that between 37.4 million and 42.9 million people contracted the flu during the 2018-2019 season. Those cases led to between 531,000 and 647,000 hospitalization and 36,400-61,200 deaths.



US Covid deaths reported so far 256,442 and its not over yet, in fact surging more than ever in most areas.

[LWW]

US Covid deaths reported so far 256,442 and its not over yet, in fact surging more than ever in most areas.

Spanish Flu killed many,many,many,many more, note the word: Flu

[Reliance012]

Spanish Flu killed many,many,many,many more, note the word: Flu

And if this were the Spanish Flu we’d be taking extreme precautions, too. What’s your point?

[LWW]

And if this were the Spanish Flu we’d be taking extreme precautions, too. What’s your point?

Just about every state is taking extreme precautions to only law abiding citizens and we are talking a difference in deaths from under 300,000 covid in near a year to MILLIONS Spanish Flu.

Now think about this, no one was protesting during the Spanish flu (also it's a Flu) that still killed more. There have been millions protesting this entire time, a good 8 months.

[mtpockets]

Spanish Flu killed many,many,many,many more, note the word: Flu

Oh FFS you are grasping at straws now, you and I as well as anyone with a pulse knows that you weren't comparing Covid to the Spanish flu. If you were you would have posted it initially instead of posting the 2917/18 hospitalizations.

You may as well quit.

[LWW]

oh ffs

streeeike one!

[Jtbny]

Just about every state is taking extreme precautions to only law abiding citizens and we are talking a difference in deaths from under 300,000 covid in near a year to MILLIONS Spanish Flu.

Now think about this, no one was protesting during the Spanish flu (also it's a Flu) that still killed more. There have been millions protesting this entire time, a good 8 months.

That's BS. Stop bending truth to fit your stupid argument.

[LWW]

That's BS. Stop bending truth to fit your stupid argument.

Sounds like you don't want to hear that part of the truth.

[Jtbny]

Sounds like you don't want to hear that part of the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-M..._San_Francisco

Come again?

The Anti-Mask League of San Francisco was an organization formed to protest an ordinance which required people in San Francisco, California to wear masks during the 1918 influenza pandemic.

https://www.motherjones.com/coronavi...mask-protests/

There were some notable acts of pushback, from actual legal challenges to outright defiance. For example, about three weeks into Atlanta’s epidemic, a group of businessmen come to the mayor, Asa Candler, and they say, “We need to reopen.” He’s a pro-business leader, and he decides unilaterally, over the objection of his board of health, to reopen Atlanta—and Atlanta’s epidemic was not over. In fact, we don’t really know the course of Atlanta’s epidemic, because the city stopped reporting cases in the same way.

[Gabbar99]

Just about every state is taking extreme precautions to only law abiding citizens and we are talking a difference in deaths from under 300,000 covid in near a year to MILLIONS Spanish Flu.

Have no idea what your point is, but deaths from
covid: 260,000 US, 1.3M worldwide
spanish flu: 675,000 US, ~50M worldwide

[LWW]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-M..._San_Francisco

Come again?



https://www.motherjones.com/coronavi...mask-protests/

Come now, millions and millions have been protesting every month when a cop defends them self (and an occasional miss use of force).

[LWW]

Have no idea what your point is, but deaths from
covid: 260,000 US, 1.3M worldwide
spanish flu: 675,000 US, ~50M worldwide

You don't see that difference??????? And to think the entire country is protesting (not a little San Francisco mask protest).

[Jtbny]

You don't see that difference??????? And to think the entire country is protesting (not a little San Francisco mask protest).

Again bending he truth;

That was one example. I'll leave the rest up to discover if you're inclined. What again are you arguing? That if something kills less than the 1918 flu we should ignore it like its not real?

[LWW]

Again bending he truth;

That was one example. I'll leave the rest up to discover if you're inclined. What again are you arguing? That if something kills less than the 1918 flu we should ignore it like its not real?

Empty pockets said is was no Flu, but apparently a flu has killed many, many, many more.