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    Need ideas for training

    So I have been doing the Fierce 5 for a while now, and I'm enjoying it. But apparently when I joined my gym way back, I have all these extra personal training sessions that I havn't used.

    I want to make use of my (now already paid for) personal training sessions, but I already have a program that I do consistently. So I saw a trainer last week and told him my routine, and he suggested a few substitutions that I can do that would work the same muscle group, just to mix things up (half body bench presses, and holding high planks while using one hand to do tricep kickbacks using the rope pulley), but still qualify as the workout. And while they were interesting, I want more value. Personal training is a rare expense that I typically wouldn't go for.

    So what should I have him teach me that would really benefit me? Since he will basically act as a professional coach that can show me whatever fancy cool thing, what would be the best bang for my buck, in terms of what I should have him teach me to do? What skills should I learn that will benefit me for years to come?

    EDIT: So lots of people have provided insight as to why this trainer's program is not something I should be doing, since they are essentially trendy hybrid workouts that don't move me closer to my strength training goals. So here is a different idea:

    What if I just have him teach me some new classic lifts? Nothing trendy like he's been doing, but like proper traditional lifts. For example, I know how to do a variety of deadlifts, back and front squats, etc. But for example, I've never learned to do things such as power cleans, or other classic lifts. Maybe I could have him teach me other beneficial lifts that I don't yet know?
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    Skipping the free sessions would prob be the best bang for your buck and most beneficial to your training.
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    The exercise substitutes sound stupid as ****, so please run away from this idiot and their suggestions.

    Half body bench pressed and Tricep kickback planks?

    I can’t but help but laugh at this bull****.
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    Originally Posted by Filmbuff81 View Post
    The exercise substitutes sound stupid as ****, so please run away from this idiot and their suggestions.

    Half body bench pressed and Tricep kickback planks?

    I can’t but help but laugh at this bull****.
    To be clear, they're half body dumbell press. So with one hand, but alternating. Half my body from the midline is off the bench, forcing me to stabilize my body while doing the exercise. It's supposed to be a more intense and focused exercise since my body has to support and balance itself while I am still doing the reps. Same principle with the plank tricep kickbacks. It forces me to stabilize my body while still performing weight lifting. I don't see that as a bad thing.
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    Half my body from the midline is off the bench, forcing me to stabilize my body while doing the exercise. It's supposed to be a more intense and focused exercise since my body has to support and balance itself while I am still doing the reps.
    I predict a yoga ball in your near future.
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    It's highly dependent on your goals for training.

    If your goal is to get closer with your personal trainer, sure, let them feed you laughably ineffective exercises.

    If your goal is to get stronger or develop a better physique, it sounds like you're best off avoiding that 'trainer'.

    If really want to use up your sessions, you could always ask them to be a silent spotter, and/or silently record you performing your exercises.
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    If he's a decent coach he will probably specialise in something and you'll get more out of that than other things he's weak at.

    For instance my coach has competed in bodybuilding and powerlifitng,
    Therefore his bench, Squat, deadlift technical analysis is invaluable, and I imagine his diet advice for getting very lean would be too.

    It wouldnt make much sense to go to him on how to clean and jerk.


    If he's not specialised in anything it might be hard to get much useful from him at all
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    To be clear, they're half body dumbell press. So with one hand, but alternating. Half my body from the midline is off the bench, forcing me to stabilize my body while doing the exercise. It's supposed to be a more intense and focused exercise since my body has to support and balance itself while I am still doing the reps. Same principle with the plank tricep kickbacks. It forces me to stabilize my body while still performing weight lifting. I don't see that as a bad thing.
    So what hes doing is taking a chest exercise and a core exercise and turning it into half assed version of each. You won't be able to lift enough to benefit much chest since your focusing on keeping your ass off the ground and won't get much core work from focusing on the pressing. Same idea with the plank kickbacks. Sounds like another trainer trying to get off on "functional training."
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    9/10 personal trainers are completely useless trust me, I would be one of them if I used what my cert taught. the good ones DON'T use that ****.

    Unfortunately He doesn't know what he is doing at all to make the subs.
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    Yeah, like I said, I follow the Fierce 5 program, and this personal training was intended to be a short and temporary departure from that. I thought I could use him to learn new skills. From the comments here, it sounds like the workouts he's assigning are not as effective as executing the classic lifts that I have been doing all along. And the rationale presented here make a lot of sense, in terms of the flaw of going half-way on two different muscle sets simultaneously.

    So that being said, what if he trained me in an entirely separate discipline (other than the above described ineffective weight training), such as a cardio workout, rope climbing, or something from a completely different category of exercise? I just feel like it would be a waste of money not to use a trainer that is essentially free, especially when there are people out there who spend big money on personal training for years. Surely he must have something to offer, right?
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    Good training.. Priceless.
    Bad pt... Too expensive even when they are free.

    Makes you wonder WHY they are free?..

    As weird as it is. Its cheaper IMO to not use him. Terrible habits are a bitch to break.

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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Good training.. Priceless.
    Bad pt... Too expensive even when they are free.

    Makes you wonder WHY they are free?..

    As weird as it is. Its cheaper IMO to not use him. Terrible habits are a bitch to break.

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    Yes, ofcourse.

    One last idea, maybe. What if I just have him teach me some new classic lifts? Nothing trendy like he's been doing, but like proper traditional lifts. For example, I know how to do a variety of deadlifts, back and front squats, etc. But for example, I've never learned to do things such as power cleans, or other classic lifts. Maybe I could have him teach me other beneficial lifts that I don't yet know?
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    Yes, ofcourse.

    One last idea, maybe. What if I just have him teach me some new classic lifts? Nothing trendy like he's been doing, but like proper traditional lifts. For example, I know how to do a variety of deadlifts, back and front squats, etc. But for example, I've never learned to do things such as power cleans, or other classic lifts. Maybe I could have him teach me other beneficial lifts that I don't yet know?
    Find out if he has any background whatsoever in oly lifting first. My money's on he doesn't but will attempt to teach you out of a handbook.
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    I just feel like it would be a waste of money not to use a trainer that is essentially free, especially when there are people out there who spend big money on personal training for years. Surely he must have something to offer, right?
    Those free sessions you get upon joining are so the trainer can sell you more sessions when you’re done, it’s not about benefiting you.

    I’ll refrain from the “if someone jumps off the ESB” analogy. But if a restaurant gives you a complimentary plate of dog cr** with your entree, it’s not a waste of money to not eat it.
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    To be clear, they're half body dumbell press. So with one hand, but alternating. Half my body from the midline is off the bench, forcing me to stabilize my body while doing the exercise. It's supposed to be a more intense and focused exercise since my body has to support and balance itself while I am still doing the reps. Same principle with the plank tricep kickbacks. It forces me to stabilize my body while still performing weight lifting. I don't see that as a bad thing.
    And I am telling you it’s not a more intense and focused exercise.

    I’m Sure it “feels tough” but it will yield zero results.

    I stand by my original statement.

    You what forced you to stabilize your body and while still performing weightlifting?

    LIFTING WEIGHTS THE PROPER WAY.

    Don’t you think professionals would be utilizing the “variations” you mentioned if they actually worked?

    They’re all about getting .01% of an edge and yet nobody does them.

    This is a time you need to be thinking critically vs just looking to obtain “free” knowledge from someone who clearly knows nothing.
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    Originally Posted by Filmbuff81 View Post
    And I am telling you it’s not a more intense and focused exercise.

    I’m Sure it “feels tough” but it will yield zero results.

    I stand by my original statement.

    You what forced you to stabilize your body and while still performing weightlifting?

    LIFTING WEIGHTS THE PROPER WAY.

    Don’t you think professionals would be utilizing the “variations” you mentioned if they actually worked?

    They’re all about getting .01% of an edge and yet nobody does them.

    This is a time you need to be thinking critically vs just looking to obtain “free” knowledge from someone who clearly knows nothing.
    Okay, point taken.

    Copying and pasting from my above reply: What if I just have him teach me some new classic lifts? Nothing trendy like he's been doing, but like proper traditional lifts. For example, I know how to do a variety of deadlifts, back and front squats, etc. But for example, I've never learned to do things such as power cleans, or other classic lifts. Maybe I could have him teach me other beneficial lifts that I don't yet know?
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    What if I just have him teach me some new classic lifts? Nothing trendy like he's been doing, but like proper traditional lifts. For example, I know how to do a variety of deadlifts, back and front squats, etc. But for example, I've never learned to do things such as power cleans, or other classic lifts. Maybe I could have him teach me other beneficial lifts that I don't yet know?
    Based on what he's suggested so far, I would trust him with nothing. I doubt he knows much about "classic lifts", whatever you think those are.
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    But for example, I've never learned to do things such as power cleans, or other classic lifts.
    Neither has he.

    Seriously, it's clear that you're going to use the sessions so not sure why you keep asking diff ways here for someone to approve - you're entitled to try it out so ask him to teach you whatever you want. It's not the end of the world.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    Based on what he's suggested so far, I would trust him with nothing. I doubt he knows much about "classic lifts", whatever you think those are.
    Well I was thinking things like Power Cleans, Clean and Presses, Tricep Dips, Farmer's Carrys, weighted planks, Pallof Presses, Turkish Get Ups, skull crushers, etc. I'm literally just googling here.

    You guys might tell me that it's a waste of time to learn those lifts and I should stick with what I'm doing. And if that's the case, I will happily heed that advice. I'm just looking for suggestions for variety in my lifts as alternatives, if that is an advisable thing to do. If not, then I won't learn them. Totally fine.
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    How many different ways do you need to be told that this trainer is the waste of time?
    I can tell time. Time cannot tell me.

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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Neither has he.

    Seriously, it's clear that you're going to use the sessions so not sure why you keep asking diff ways here for someone to approve - you're entitled to try it out so ask him to teach you whatever you want. It's not the end of the world.
    I'm not necessarily going to for sure use those sessions. I just like to think about every angle before I let go of an idea. That's all I'm doing right now. And I thought that learning new lifts that I mentioned would be an acceptable option rather than what he had me do previously. But as I said above, I'm willing to abandon the personal training. I just want to know that there is zero ways I can make use of him before I do.
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    Originally Posted by TolerantLactose View Post
    How many different ways do you need to be told that this trainer is the waste of time?
    Alright fine. I think I'll just email him to let him know I'll just stick with the Fierce 5 program I've been doing all along. I just thought this would be an opportunity to learn new stuff, that's all.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Ignore him. He is an idiot.
    RUN.

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    9/10 personal trainers are completely useless trust me, I would be one of them if I used what my cert taught. the good ones DON'T use that ****.

    Unfortunately He doesn't know what he is doing at all to make the subs.
    He has been watching bs movement gurus on Instagram and copying them. Seedman, Athlenex, Rusin, fp

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    It seems he trains many professional baseball players, fotball players and others

    He is trying to combine strength exercises with core stability & power

    Many of those exercises seem weird AF, but I wonder how/why those professionals train with him


    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    I'm not necessarily going to for sure use those sessions.

    Why don't you print the forum replies and show them to the guy?!?!
    Yes, I'm serious!
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    If he doesn't have his s&c level 4 or similar olympic weightlifting certification he won't be much more use than you learning from video tutorials.

    And given his previous. He doesnt have.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    If he doesn't have his s&c level 4 or similar olympic weightlifting certification he won't be much more use than you learning from video tutorials.

    And given his previous. He doesnt have.
    Here is a copy and paste of his written bio:

    John is a registered dietician, certified personal trainer (ACSM and Crossfit level 1) and holds a doctorate in nutrition. Dr. White coaches his clients to modify lifestyle behaviors to improve their current fitness levels and to reach their fitness goals. Dr. White uses a high intensity training style to help his clients reach and exceed their fitness goals. Dr. White has worked with a variety of demographics from children to seniors so he is equipped with the knowledge to help any of our members with their fitness goals.
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    Originally Posted by AdamFrostburg View Post
    Here is a copy and paste of his written bio:

    John is a registered dietician, certified personal trainer (ACSM and Crossfit level 1) and holds a doctorate in nutrition. Dr. White coaches his clients to modify lifestyle behaviors to improve their current fitness levels and to reach their fitness goals. Dr. White uses a high intensity training style to help his clients reach and exceed their fitness goals. Dr. White has worked with a variety of demographics from children to seniors so he is equipped with the knowledge to help any of our members with their fitness goals.
    Sounds like if you're going to get any value out of him it would be sitting down and talking about your nutrition. If he is open to that instead that book him. Only glaring red flag is that dude sounds way over qualified to be the free PT sessions with new members guy.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Sounds like if you're going to get any value out of him it would be sitting down and talking about your nutrition. If he is open to that instead that book him. Only glaring red flag is that dude sounds way over qualified to be the free PT sessions with new members guy.
    When I initially purchased my gym membership 2 years ago, I purchased a bulk package membership that came with a bunch of perks (swimming pool, sauna, nutritional coaching, and personal training sessions. So I actually paid for it back in the day. I just havn't really used much of the sessions since I started doing the Fierce 5 over a year ago. Upon looking at my account, I discovered that I had several unused sessions, which is why I made this thread. I already use MFP to track my macros, and I eat a fairly high quality, high protein diet, so I don't think I am in need of too much extra advice there. And to be honest, the Fierce 5 program has been going good as I've been consistenty adding weight to my lifts every week and my physique looks pretty decent compared to when I started out. I do think I could use extra nutritional advice to fine tune things, honestly, especially if this personal trainer is bunk, as people in this thread have suggested. I only considered going to the personal trainer again as an extra perk to try new things, not something I want to rely on or even incorporate into my normal weekly Fierce 5 routine.

    Anyway, upon reading the responses in this thread, I've decided I'm not going to bother with him.
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    If Use him for nutrition coaching....
    He seems fully qualified for that.

    The ACSM & crossfit certs aren't worth crap past getting insurance to train people.

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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    If Use him for nutrition coaching....
    He seems fully qualified for that.

    The ACSM & crossfit certs aren't worth crap past getting insurance to train people.

    Good luck
    Yeah, I'm just going to stick with the Fierce 5 routine I've been doing. After reading this thread, my interest in personal training has been quenched.
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    Ignore him. He is an idiot.
    RUN.

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    9/10 personal trainers are completely useless trust me, I would be one of them if I used what my cert taught. the good ones DON'T use that ****.

    Unfortunately He doesn't know what he is doing at all to make the subs.
    He has been watching bs movement gurus on Instagram and copying them. Seedman, Athlenex, Rusin, fp

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CMKtunTj...=1y2615a759z51

    You are 1 step away for getting trolled into this...
    have you read the article though? it explains it all
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