Tomorrow we will either see a bunch of

[ENCBBQ]

there was never anything to this fraud nonsense, but we will probably have to wait and see if trump stirs the pot on electors.

[Cass40]

there was never anything to this fraud nonsense, but we will probably have to wait and see if trump stirs the pot on electors.

Or we can just let it go and concentrate on positive things? I'm starting to feel that no matter what happens, people just can't stop thriving on negativity. It's not my thing tbh.

It wasn't really a surprise since the whole time he was saying that it was a fraudulent election if he doesn't win. However unfortunately for him we live in a country where voters choose the president, not the president chooses the voters.

[GrouchyUSMC]

I find it amusing that the same people who spent the last four years completely convinced there was election interference are now outraged at anyone saying that the election could have been tampered with.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

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I find it amusing that the same people who spent the last four years completely convinced there was election interference are now outraged at anyone saying that the election could have been tampered with.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

Every bipartisan intelligence agency and congressional committee that has investigated Russian influence has concluded it's real. A Republican Senate investigation committee agreed with Mueller's investigation that it's real as recently as August, 2020.

Contrast that with the allegations of fraud by President Trump's 2020 campaign, which no judge has agreed has produced any evidence whatsoever at this time.

[ENCBBQ]

everyone not named trump said the interference was real

[GrouchyUSMC]

Every bipartisan intelligence agency and congressional committee that has investigated Russian influence has concluded it's real. A Republican Senate investigation committee agreed with Mueller's investigation that it's real as recently as August, 2020.

Contrast that with the allegations of fraud by President Trump's 2020 campaign, which no judge has agreed has produced any evidence whatsoever at this time.

Correct. Now how long did it take for them to discover that? By stating there is no chance of fraud in a US election, they are in direct conflict with the same claims that have been made and proven already.

[Cass40]

I find it amusing that the same people who spent the last four years completely convinced there was election interference are now outraged at anyone saying that the election could have been tampered with.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

Nobody's saying that. You are supposed to provide proof before accusations, not the other way around.

[GrouchyUSMC]

Nobody's saying that. You are supposed to provide proof before accusations, not the other way around.

You don't read the mainstream news then (which is a good thing).

I guess to clear things up, I should mention I have no love for either Biden or Trump. They are both cut from the same cloth.

[Cass40]

You don't read the mainstream news then (which is a good thing).

I guess to clear things up, I should mention I have no love for either Biden or Trump. They are both cut from the same cloth.

No I don't but I think it would be silly to say there's no chance of fraud. Of course there's a chance.

[7Seconds]

Correct. Now how long did it take for them to discover that? By stating there is no chance of fraud in a US election, they are in direct conflict with the same claims that have been made and proven already.

We do investigate it though, every election, we even have special offices dedicated to it. What's going on right now isn't normal though. The bullsh*t claims coming from the Trump campaign aren't normal. Their declarations aren't that fraud might've happened, it's that fraud did happen, and they alone lost because of it. The refusal to concede based on those claims isn't normal. The avalanche of frivolous lawsuits isn't normal. There's no evidence coming from the Trump campaign that's being presented in good faith. It's all bullsh*t and it absolutely does not warrant any more investigation than what happens in a normal election cycle. For what it’s worth I don’t like either candidate as well. I voted for Jorgensen.

[Cass40]

We do investigate it though, every election, we even have special offices dedicated to it. What's going on right now isn't normal though. The bullsh*t claims coming from the Trump campaign aren't normal. Their declarations aren't that fraud might've happened, it's that fraud did happen, and they lost because of it. The refusal to concede based on those claims isn't normal. The avalanche of frivolous lawsuits isn't normal. There's no evidence coming from the Trump campaign that's being presented in good faith. It's all bullsh*t and it absolutely does not warrant any more investigation than what happens in a normal election cycle. For what it’s worth I don’t like either candidate as well. I voted for Jorgensen.

What do you mean it's not normal? It's normal Trump. He has never hidden who he is. Did you see the interviews before the election where he was asked whether he will accept the results? He pretty much said he wasn't going to if he loses. So how is this surprising?

Haha I just said I wasn't going to be negative but it's so irritating. It's like this never ending hamster wheel..

[7Seconds]

What do you mean it's not normal? It's normal Trump. He has never hidden who he is. Did you see the interviews before the election where he was asked whether he will accept the results? He pretty much said he wasn't going to if he loses. So how is this surprising?

It’s not normal for the transition of power in the US.

[Cass40]

It’s not normal for the transition of power in the US.

Nope but it will happen regardless. He is just making it more difficult.

[GrouchyUSMC]

We do investigate it though, every election, we even have special offices dedicated to it. What's going on right now isn't normal though. The bullsh*t claims coming from the Trump campaign aren't normal. Their declarations aren't that fraud might've happened, it's that fraud did happen, and they alone lost because of it. The refusal to concede based on those claims isn't normal. The avalanche of frivolous lawsuits isn't normal. There's no evidence coming from the Trump campaign that's being presented in good faith. It's all bullsh*t and it absolutely does not warrant any more investigation than what happens in a normal election cycle. For what it’s worth I don’t like either candidate as well. I voted for Jorgensen.

The biggest shame is how the Democrats basically worked against Bernie Sanders not once but twice. Granted Bernie is bat**** crazy, but they literally worked to knock him off both times.

I also voted for Jorgensen. I have voted Libertarian since Bush. Both parties want the government's power to grow so they want their candidate to abuse it, then lose their minds when the other side is in charge and is abusing it. People get mad when you point out everyone who said Obama shouldn't be able to do XYZ is now right as to why Trump can do XYZ.

[LWW]

everyone not named trump said the interference was real

ENCBBQ, the problem with you is that since you are academic/research/blah,blah, you may be clueless to the workers of the world that depend on just getting up everyday and are in the service trades.

I disappeared from the bar scene when I got married, (your thinking losers), well, whatever, they worked hard during the day and sit at bars when off playing Keno and singing Karaoke.

Since I've not been around I check their ********s, I found it interesting that folks that NEVER talked politics before all have ploitical rants on their ********s daily, I get it, even though Clinton and Bush are much to blame, Obama was a pure academic and had no respect for the bartender, the barber, etc.

You probially don't give a rats azz, but you should be asking why average working folks, things society needs (they are not the scientists and government workers) hate your party so much, you really need to address this, and stop with the ignorance, if you are such a smart researcher, etc.

The country needs those "service" type folks that own shops and are motivated to get up everyday and serve the economy.

They have been struggling since 2008, they actually got a break after 2016 for a couple years.

[Cass40]

ENCBBQ, the problem with you is that since you are academic/research/blah,blah, you may be clueless to the workers of the world that depend on just getting up everyday and are in the service trades.

I disappeared from the bar scene when I got married, (your thinking losers), well, whatever, they worked hard during the day and sit at bars when off playing Keno and singing Karaoke.

Since I've not been around I check their ********s, I found it interesting that folks that NEVER talked politics before all have ploitical rants on their ********s daily, I get it, even though Clinton and Bush are much to blame, Obama was a pure academic and had no respect for the bartender, the barber, etc.

You probially don't give a rats azz, but you should be asking why average working folks, things society needs (they are not the scientists and government workers) hate your party so much, you really need to address this, and stop with the ignorance, if you are such a smart researcher, etc.

The country needs those "service" type folks that own shops and are motivated to get up everyday and serve the economy.

They have been struggling since 2008, they actually got a break after 2016 for a couple years.

What break did they get?

[ChazWood]

What break did they get?

is this the most bored you've even been?

Surely there's a hobby out there that can hold your attention and with a little effort, result in something constructive and/or tangible?

[Cass40]

is this the most bored you've even been?

Surely there's a hobby out there that can hold your attention and with a little effort, result in something constructive and/or tangible?

Well I want to know. I don't know anything about politics. However, I feel like whoever is in power my own life is just the same. My life never changes.

So if the working man had four year break from their hard lives cos of Trump, I would like to know what it is. Wouldn't you?

[LWW]

What break did they get?

They had work, break didn't mean rest, it meant work and ability to make money, pay bills.

I was in manufacturing back then, some of that even came back after 2016.

The point is the bartenders, barbers, services that depend on other areas of the economy (meaning, when the economy is bad, they suffer the most) were back to work and making a living for a couple years, then the covid hit and the democrats shut them down again, these folks don't want government checks, they want work, I've been there and I see it on their ********s.

[Cass40]

They had work, break didn't mean rest, it meant work and ability to make money, pay bills.

I was in manufacturing back then, some of that even came back after 2016.

The point is the bartenders, barbers, services that depend on other areas of the economy (meaning, when the economy is bad, they suffer the most) were back to work and making a living for a couple years, then the covid hit and the democrats shut them down again, these folks don't want government checks, they want work, I've been there and I see it on their ********s.

Oh I see. Well I had like four jobs the year before corona so I do believe there were jobs.

[ChazWood]

I made a snarky, negative post which I have since deleted.

WTF do I know. Learn on.

[Cass40]

I made a snarky, negative post which I have since deleted.

WTF do I know. Learn on.

What did it say?

[ChazWood]

What did it say?

You gotta be paying attention. Look, I'm not going to hold your hand on this. You're a big girl so put on your big girl pants, and please pay attention.

I keep it super loose here, you dig. I zig, I zag. This way, that way. It's how I roll, Sister.

[Cass40]

You gotta be paying attention. Look, I'm not going to hold your hand on this. You're a big girl so put on your big girl pants, and please pay attention.

I keep it super loose here, you dig. I zig, I zag. This way, that way. It's how I roll, Sister.

But what if I can't find my big girl pants?

[LWW]

Oh I see. Well I had like four jobs the year before corona so I do believe there were jobs.

Right, work was easy to find between 2017 and end of 2019. There was next to NOTHING between 2008-2016 outside of Government, Walmart type stuff not even construction. Not literally but not everyone can drive trucks across country (I'd fall asleep) and climb in sewers. That actually started in 2006, the rise of gas and the housing BS.

I knew lots of working folk who literally starved during that time, they were able to put some meat on their bones these last couple years with Trump.

[ChazWood]

But what if I can't find my big girl pants?

then you MAKE DO.

No wonder Finland never produced any pop stars.

[Cass40]

then you MAKE DO.

No wonder Finland never produced any pop stars.

Deletes negative and snarky comment and two minutes later posts another snarky negative comment.

[ChazWood]

Deletes negative and snarky comment and two minutes later posts another snarky negative comment.

I'm dying here. I can even picture the deadpan expression as you typed that!

Gold, Jerry!

[Cass40]

I'm dying here. I can even picture the deadpan expression as you typed that!

Gold, Jerry!

I was actually laughing..laughing out loud aka lolling..

[ChazWood]

I was actually laughing..laughing out loud aka lolling..

I have GOT TO get back in the gym.

I'm melting from a human being into a blob of handsome goo.

EDIT: and I gotta say, if we make in out of this year in one globe piece, well, I think we're gonna make it.