Did DF just hint PS5 outperforms Series X graphically?

[bongowongo]

Series X hitting native? That's the type of difference I'd expect given GPU numbers. Valhalla will be the main point of comparison between X and 5 at launch.

https://www.dualshockers.com/assassi...xbox-4k-60fps/



"In a follow-up message sent to us by a PR representative at the publisher, this notion was also made clear once again. “I can confirm that Assassin’s Creed Valhalla runs at 4K at 60 fps on PS5 (upscaled 4K),” we were told."
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Wait for official confirmation of course and digital foundry.

[ClivesTriceps]

Assuming you mean if someone wants the best graphics they should get a PC is your fact. Yes you are correct. The cope was in reference to thinking consoles don't have other appeal. Didn't know I had to explain it for you.

The only appeal they have is simplicity and budget. Any other comparison is dumb and actually trying to compete over graphics that will probably not be noticeable as some kind of "but muh conzol is bettur" is alughable

[bartosh]

The only appeal they have is simplicity and budget. Any other comparison is dumb and actually trying to compete over graphics that will probably not be noticeable as some kind of "but muh conzol is bettur" is alughable

Lets conveniently ignore that the majority of the best games are exclusives. Good luck getting zelda/mario/uncharted on a pc when they release

[R3L3NTL3SS]

TFLOPs are very important.

No. They're not.

[LCBOLeo]

I mean, Samsungs have better specs than iPhones but iPhones always outperform Samsung on benchmarks. It really comes down to optimization and the software.

[BraneyGumble]

Curious about the actual impact of the PS5 SSD being at least twice as fast as XBSX's.

[mgftp]

https://www.dualshockers.com/assassi...xbox-4k-60fps/



"In a follow-up message sent to us by a PR representative at the publisher, this notion was also made clear once again. “I can confirm that Assassin’s Creed Valhalla runs at 4K at 60 fps on PS5 (upscaled 4K),” we were told."
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Wait for official confirmation of course and digital foundry.

Can;t wait till Digital Foundry's analysis. Being that Teraflops meant a lot on Xbox1X, PS4, PS4Pro, and Xbox1X I assume the Series X will outperform the PS5 in a significant fashion. But the DF tease is exciting. Been reading speculation surround that Sony has some new improved checkerboarding tech that would free up significant GPU resources. Lots of stuff floating out there and most of it will end up false. Who knows, only time will tell.

The only appeal they have is simplicity and budget. Any other comparison is dumb and actually trying to compete over graphics that will probably not be noticeable as some kind of "but muh conzol is bettur" is alughable

Yea, because games mean nothing when playing games. Again, cope.

Curious about the actual impact of the PS5 SSD being at least twice as fast as XBSX's.

This is some speculation I have read. That the GPU doesn't need to do as much in the PS5 because the SSD architecture is so fast it can essentially instantly load assets. But I am nothing close to a tech nerd, so have no idea how feasible that is, although it sounds good.

[JayJ350]

The only appeal they have is simplicity and budget. Any other comparison is dumb and actually trying to compete over graphics that will probably not be noticeable as some kind of "but muh conzol is bettur" is alughable

Yup, pure poorcel logic bro. Imagine being an adult and still needing to do fanboy console wars chit and not just buying them both. Chits sad.

[Coal Man]

PS4 significantly weaker than XB1? lmao, you drunk boyo? You got everything backwards.

And again, sure you can not care but a 720 vs 1080 resolution difference which many multiplats saw between the two consoles is significant to me
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You know my use of quotation marks on significantly weaker was to poke fun of the console war nerds right. Ps4 had better looking games.

[mgftp]

You know my use of quotation marks on significantly weaker was to poke fun of the console war nerds right. Ps4 had better looking games.

Yes, because it was significantly more powerful.

[shyheimz]

I own an Xbox One X and a PS4 Pro, and the One X outperforms the Pro on both frames as cooling (fan noise) in most multiplatform games.

Check DF comparison for RDR2 for example, there is just no discussion.



But I have to agree TLOU2 pushed the boundaries of the gen and looks better than 99% of all multiplatform titles.

[elterrible987]

when do they drop the review embargo, it is out in like 2 weeks and im sure presales are sold out everywhere, not like its going to influence sales, they will sell out.

[Coal Man]

Yes, because it was significantly more powerful.

Sure but I've been looking at comparisons online and the differences are negligible dude. Like on some games, while driving the Xbox would have slightly better framerate but while explosions are happening the ps4 would be slightly better. They were both very close in terms of how their numbers translated in the real world

Xbox slightly wins here


PS4 slightly wins here


Pretty much equal




Saying any one of these consoles is significantly better than the other is a joke. Ps4 devs were able to maximize the ps4's potential that's all.

[JayJ350]

Saying any one of these consoles is significantly better than the other is a joke. Ps4 devs were able to maximize the ps4's potential that's all.

Yup, and I would probably say Forza Horizon 4 is the best looking Xbox One X game.

[mgftp]

Sure but I've been looking at comparisons online and the differences are negligible dude. Like on some games, while driving the Xbox would have slightly better framerate but while explosions are happening the ps4 would be slightly better. They were both very close in terms of how their numbers translated in the real world

Xbox slightly wins here


PS4 slightly wins here


Pretty much equal




Saying any one of these consoles is significantly better than the other is a joke. Ps4 devs were able to maximize the ps4's potential that's all.

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You continue to go full potato. You on the Jay level of intelligence?

Why are you just looking at FPS? All 3 games you choose devs looked to match FPS and adjusted resolutions to do so.

Oddysey runs at 1080 on PS4 and 900 on Xbox to keep frame rate similar. Red Dead runs at 864 on Xbox One and 1080 on PS4. While Battlefield 5 goes dynamic all the way down to 720 vs PS4's 1080 to keep frames.

Just LOL at comparing the one stat devs purposely tried to match, but adjusted other areas to do so.

Let's lay out some hard facts since you remain confused.

As far as power in terfloppers:

Xbox1: 1.3
Xbox1S: 1.4
PS4: 1.8
PS4Pro: 4.2
Xbox1X: 6.0

More examples of what the power difference between PS4 and Xbox One translated to at launch:

PS4 vs. Xbox One Native Resolutions and Framerates:

https://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/P...mparison_Chart

Most games saw a differance of 900 vs 1080 but here are some more extreme examples

Call of Duty: Ghosts 720p @ 60fps [n] V 1080p @ 60fps [n]
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes 720p@ 60fps [n] V 1080p @ 60fps [n]
Star Wars Battlefront 720p @ 60fps [n][beta] V 900p @ 60fps [n] [beta]
The Evil Within 900p @ 30fps 1600x640 @ 30fps (2.5:1 aspect) [n] v 1080p @ 30fps 1920x768 @ 30fps (2.5:1 aspect) [n]
Watch Dogs 792p @ 30fps [n] V 900p @ 30fps [n]

Then we have the larger gap between Xbox1X and PS4Pro which as the poster above pointed out has lead to even larger gaps in performance.

[JPeeper]

I still continually lol when people say the PS5 and Series X are similar in terms of power. The Series X is more than a PS4 more powerful than the PS5 and even more so if Sony wasn't bullchitting their TFlops performance with variable frequency numbers when Series X is locked frequency.

There is no question that pretty much every multiplat game will run better on Series X. They will have the higher resolution and if they unlock the fps they'll be higher as well. That's how it goes with multiplats, the stronger console almost always performs better.

[mgftp]

I still continually lol when people say the PS5 and Series X are similar in terms of power. The Series X is more than a PS4 more powerful than the PS5 and even more so if Sony wasn't bullchitting their TFlops performance with variable frequency numbers when Series X is locked frequency.

There is no question that pretty much every multiplat game will run better on Series X. They will have the higher resolution and if they unlock the fps they'll be higher as well. That's how it goes with multiplats, the stronger console almost always performs better.

Agreed.

As a guy who doesn't want to buy both consoles I hope this surprise means otherwise but the power gap between the two is very significant and in the past a power gap like that has always led to significant performance differences. Only people who at this point would say it's nothing, without proof that it's nothing are Sony fanboys.

[AD117]

just fukking kek at comparing graphics potential between consoles.

If you really cared about graphics, you'd be on PC.

another worthless thread about consoles.

Most gamers prefer real games like Bloodborne and God of War, and multiplayer with normal people over neckbeards. Legit LMAO @ PC players nutting over resolution. Enjoy Undertale and WoW lol

[moosik85]

Yeah, I saw this and initially thought the same but its a very vague statement but nonetheless very intriguing.

Not really

Just lol at thinking devs are going to make multiple versions of the same game. Games will be pegged to the graphical power of the weakest console

[JayJ350]

Most gamers prefer real games like Bloodborne and God of War, and multiplayer with normal people over neckbeards. Legit LMAO @ PC players nutting over resolution. Enjoy Undertale and WoW lol

Lol @ trying to flex gamers, "real games," Souldborne games, and online multiplayer while trying to call other people neckbeards.

[bongowongo]

Not really

Just lol at thinking devs are going to make multiple versions of the same game. Games will be pegged to the graphical power of the weakest console

dat dere 4D chess


Sony intentionally make the weakest console to cut costs knowing they've got the majority market share and force devs to optimize for the PS5 over dat dere Xbox power .

[nkiritsis13]

Despite the XSX's advantage over the PS5, how close the two are when it comes to multiplatform games might be somewhat negligible in practice because not only are developers going to have to cater to the PS5's hardware, but also the Xbox Series S.

Although some developers and of course Microsoft remain confident that the XSS won't hold anything back, others have their own reservations, which I think boils down to how different developers and their respective development pipelines will be able to adjust to having such a low minimum spec.

Ignoring the XSS for a moment, we're still just in the total speculation stage looking at numbers with zero concrete comparisons between similar titles, so we may very well see some surprising results, possibly also depending on how different games are designed and optimized. On the PS5 side, a lot of it will depend on how its variable refresh rate fares in real world applications, with its average supposedly being around 2ghz, as well as how much that high send storage solution comes into play.

Considering that most people will only have one system or the other, they'll mostly be weighing their decision more on what the respective exclusives bring to the table when they're not playing multiplatform games.

In that respect, the present edge goes to Sony - especially with Microsoft promising to support the Xbone for two more years and, well...

Spoiler!

The vast majority of games with potential to make the most of the Xbox's hardware are firmly in the department of TBD release dates.

By the time Microsoft can prove any hardware advantage, enough people will have already made their decision. Is anyone really going to switch over from a PS5 because some Ubisoft title has higher resolution scaling on the Xbox? I'd wager very, very few would, and the same holds true for people who would even settle for the XSS just for Game Pass and Craig the Monke.

Most gamers prefer real games like Bloodborne and God of War, and multiplayer with normal people over neckbeards. Legit LMAO @ PC players nutting over resolution. Enjoy Undertale and WoW lol

While I agree with the spirit of your first part (I'll take Bloodborne and GoW over indie dreck any day and I use a controller even on PC, so no fukkin' way I would play against mouse and keyboard) , the war has already been lost on the second:

Undertale - PS4

Looking at Sony's Indie store is now like looking at Steam, and f*ck are these games overvalued ha ha. Twenty bucks for something that looks like it was made for a calculator or [i]Bloodborne.

Whether you're talking about spending ~$500 on a console or on a GPU, the fact that so many indie games look like they haven't even heard of the third dimension yet go for so much has me shaking my head in disbelief, especially when there are just more and more coming out like an indie bubble now consuming consoles.

dat dere 4D chess


Sony intentionally make the weakest console to cut costs knowing they've got the majority market share and force devs to optimize for the PS5 over dat dere Xbox power .

But then not to be outdone, Microsoft insisted on having both the strongest and the weakest console, so they released the S.

Seriously, I would be interested in seeing the breakdown on what led to the costs laid out for each system.

[elterrible987]

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As far as power in terfloppers:

Xbox1: 1.3
Xbox1S: 1.4
PS4: 1.8
PS4Pro: 4.2
Xbox1X: 6.0

I dont see a lot of people when talking the numbers mention that previously there was a greater difference in performance:

ps4 38% greater teraflops compared to xbox 1

Xbox 1x 43% greater than ps4 pro

xbox series x 16.5% greater than ps5


only 16% difference in teraflops, sure there will be some difference in graphics but not that much. we had way bigger power disparities before. now they got things like hardware dlss were they can lower the resolution internally so it will be some differences in details and stuff but its not going to be like launch for xbox 1 and ps4, they didnt have checkerboarding tricks or hardware dlss back then.

[LovePollution]

just fukking kek at comparing graphics potential between consoles.

If you really cared about graphics, you'd be on PC.

another worthless thread about consoles.

Yeah I don't understand this. I just choose the console that most of my mates play on which in my case happens to be Playstation, so I'll get a PS5. I don't give a shiit if the Xbox has slightly better performance.

[kr1kit]

Yeah I don't understand this. I just choose the console that most of my mates play on which in my case happens to be Playstation, so I'll get a PS5. I don't give a shiit if the Xbox has slightly better performance.

That's because you're not a ridiculous fan boy like most of these people on here who are creaming over an extra teraflop.

[BearyManilowe]

Yeah I don't understand this. I just choose the console that most of my mates play on which in my case happens to be Playstation, so I'll get a PS5. I don't give a shiit if the Xbox has slightly better performance.

I mean if you play single player console games and don't want to spend $2000 on a good PC, why wouldn't you want the system that offers the best graphical performance?

If you don't care about graphics and you don't play on consoles, maybe don't come into a thread about graphical performance in consoles?

I get it that PC players need to remind the gaming community daily that they have small diks but if you've already made up your mind about the system you're getting and graphics don't matter to you then maybe enter a different thread?

[JayJ350]

That's because you're not a ridiculous fan boy like most of these people on here who are creaming over an extra teraflop.

Yeah this sub is pretty much fanboy central these days.

[kr1kit]

I mean if you play single player console games and don't want to spend $2000 on a good PC, why wouldn't you want the system that offers the best graphical performance?

If you don't care about graphics and you don't play on consoles, maybe don't come into a thread about graphical performance in consoles?

I get it that PC players need to remind the gaming community daily that they have small diks but if you've already made up your mind about the system you're getting and graphics don't matter to you then maybe enter a different thread?

Telling people which threads they can and can't enter?

Sounds like commie behavior to me.

You a Jack Dorsey fan?

[BearyManilowe]

Telling people which threads they can and can't enter?

Sounds like commie behavior to me.

You a Jack Dorsey fan?

Who's Jack Dorsey?

[Coal Man]

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You continue to go full potato. You on the Jay level of intelligence?

Why are you just looking at FPS? All 3 games you choose devs looked to match FPS and adjusted resolutions to do so.

Oddysey runs at 1080 on PS4 and 900 on Xbox to keep frame rate similar. Red Dead runs at 864 on Xbox One and 1080 on PS4. While Battlefield 5 goes dynamic all the way down to 720 vs PS4's 1080 to keep frames.

Just LOL at comparing the one stat devs purposely tried to match, but adjusted other areas to do so.

Let's lay out some hard facts since you remain confused.

As far as power in terfloppers:

Xbox1: 1.3
Xbox1S: 1.4
PS4: 1.8
PS4Pro: 4.2
Xbox1X: 6.0

More examples of what the power difference between PS4 and Xbox One translated to at launch:



Then we have the larger gap between Xbox1X and PS4Pro which as the poster above pointed out has lead to even larger gaps in performance.

I posted those vids not only to show frames but also that both systems had had near identical looking graphics in multiplatform despite the "massive difference in TEH tERaflOPz". I've played on my friend's XB1 multiple times and never noticed a difference. I'd bet in a blind test you couldn't either.

The PS4 exclusives looked the best to me because the games were designed from the ground up for the system.

In terms of multiplatform, Last gen was PC >>> Console A = Console B
and its gonna be the same damn thing again. I know you got your nerd juice flowing because you feel like a holy General in the new console war but you're a grown man. Dial it back and leave that nonsense to the kids. Normal people are just gonna buy the console that has the game(s) they want. See below:

Yeah I don't understand this. I just choose the console that most of my mates play on which in my case happens to be Playstation, so I'll get a PS5. I don't give a shiit if the Xbox has slightly better performance.

That's because you're not a ridiculous fan boy like most of these people on here who are creaming over an extra teraflop.