I don't understand the Eminem haters

[AvengeMe]

I'm no Stan by any means but I think it's impressive that he's accomplished what he's accomplished without using the n word crutch every other line like the majority of other rappers.

[Murph0408]

up to around 2002 he was phenomenal and i thought his quality tanked for years after eminem show/8 mile soundtrack, both of which were great albums. after all that, maybe it was over exposure or the drugs or whatever but i felt like he fell off for a real long time.

i don't think that makes me a hater just calling it how i see it. present day his tough guy political act doesn't work for me either.

[Gainzzz]

I definitely was a stan but no one wants to see their Dad rapping

He's pushing 50

Eminem until 2002 was GOAT

Now he's cringe

[AlexSays]

Eminem is the chit srs

Jfl at haters, he's one of the most successful rappers alive, I admit it hasnt all been awesome and the last 10-15 years have been hit and miss sometimes but he still remains one of my favourite artists rapper or otherwise

[EZR4]

King of Rap as of early 2000s era.

But lol @ still praising him for doing one pop song with ed sheeran per year.


3:02 is eminems best part (lyircally) imo.

[GordonXXX]

I never liked him. There's something inauthentic and cheesy to me about a white guy trying to sound and act black. Same goes for Macklemore and any other cheesy white rapper. Also, his voice is just annoying.

[MYOFIBRAH]

itt miscers who haven’t even listened to his last two albums. em has been on another level since 2018.

[sweetneybrian]

I started out a big fan but it got corny seeing that he can't maintain popularity without attacking someone. Not to mention he only attacks the weakest of the weak.

[AvengeMe]

I don't disagree with any of the criticisms posted here as everyone is entitled their own opinion. I only listen to a few songs off of his first album and a few off of his most recent 2. I still think it's impressive he's able to omit one of the most popular words in rap and still out rap the majority of people.

[kingmanaverage]

I never liked him. There's something inauthentic and cheesy to me about a white guy trying to sound and act black. Same goes for Macklemore and any other cheesy white rapper. Also, his voice is just annoying.

U wot m8 ? Eminem isn't in the same universe as macklemore in terms of rap, if you just don't like rap music though then each to their own.

[Miked1978]

I started out a big fan but it got corny seeing that he can't maintain popularity without attacking someone. Not to mention he only attacks the weakest of the weak.

I told people back in the early 2000s that he only attacked the weak.

Brb boy bands
Brb Moby
Brb pop stars

He is one of the best rappers for sure but his tour is over. Nobody wants to listen to a 40 year old rapper. Most of his original fans have quit listening to rap bc rap is one of the most talentless genres in music.

[TheMusketeer]

up to around 2002 he was phenomenal and i thought his quality tanked for years after eminem show/8 mile soundtrack, both of which were great albums. after all that, maybe it was over exposure or the drugs or whatever but i felt like he fell off for a real long time.

i don't think that makes me a hater just calling it how i see it. present day his tough guy political act doesn't work for me either.

Nailed it. But to be honest that happens to a lot of artists. Jay-Z's music got progressively chittier after Volume 3.

[GordonXXX]

U wot m8 ? Eminem isn't in the same universe as macklemore in terms of rap, if you just don't like rap music though then each to their own.

[Deathstroke]

I still listen to his albums up to Encore. Nothing after except maybe the odd rare song I happen to find out about like Cold Wind Blows, Headlights and a machine gun Kelly diss.

Based on his early body of work can a playa make a case for Eminem being the goat? Or has his recent stuff harm his legacy?

Eminem is a real emcee. He appealed to the mainstream he became pop like as you’d see him on the cover of Any type of music magazine or teeny boppers magazines.

But he was an all time great on the mic .

I got a list it goes GzA, biggie, 2pac, Jay-z, Rza, Ice cube, Eminem, mystikal, cypress hill, a little dead prez and a bit of smoke dza, bis, And old school nicki minag (Dead Wrong and Dirty Money). 6 Feet Deep is my favorite album.

[skndrbg]

I just think his 'music' is unlistenable, especially as it ages (poorly)

[sooby]

Peak Eminem was 1998-2003 can confirm. He did have some good songs after falling off with Eminem Show and Relapse.

Can't really explain it because he's is still just as skilled as he was back then, but nobody really wants to hear a 50 year old man rap in general, let alone about his mom, stepdad, make dink/**** punchlines, etc. You can only reuse the same content over and over again before the schtick becomes old. Plus he sounds kinda bitter nowadays as if he is trying to re-live the times where he was the talk of the town and involved in a billion controversies. Maybe also because I'm getting older and rap nowadays sounds corny af, but I still appreciate the songs back then the same though.


Just isn't really the same anymore and you don't feel the hunger and energy in the albums and tracks as if they had something to prove. No shame in it because it happens to everybody even the best. But to be fair to him rap/hip-hop just gets progressively more chit year after year, at least on mainstream and radio. I honestly stopped following the scene just before Drake made it big.


Honestly the genre was at it's peak at the height of the Nas/Jay-Z beef, started dying slowly afterwards.

[EagleOfWar]

I liked him back when he first came out but over the years he just got annoying. I don’t hate him by any means but being a musician myself, rap is just pretty much cringe overall imo. There are def some rappers with real musical talent also but most of them aren’t.

[Caeculus]

I liked his stuff when I was like 14 then I got older and listened and it makes me cringe. Too much of a try hard probably suffers from manlet syndrome. I hate that fake tough guy act some guys put on.

[DizzySmalls]

He had a teenage/young adult shtick that he has tried to milk to death for money well over a decade after it was tired and played out.

[OT2000]

Doesn’t matter if anyone likes or hates him. He is the #1 selling rapper of all time and maybe only Drake will catch up and pass.

[CellyTech]

I don't understand people who have debates about Eminem full stop.

[TomWanks]

That's an awfully hot coffee pot OP.

[NillaWafer]

Peak Eminem was 1998-2003 can confirm. He did have some good songs after falling off with Eminem Show and Relapse.

Can't really explain it because he's is still just as skilled as he was back then, but nobody really wants to hear a 50 year old man rap in general, let alone about his mom, stepdad, make dink/**** punchlines, etc. You can only reuse the same content over and over again before the schtick becomes old. Plus he sounds kinda bitter nowadays as if he is trying to re-live the times where he was the talk of the town and involved in a billion controversies. Maybe also because I'm getting older and rap nowadays sounds corny af, but I still appreciate the songs back then the same though.


Just isn't really the same anymore and you don't feel the hunger and energy in the albums and tracks as if they had something to prove. No shame in it because it happens to everybody even the best. But to be fair to him rap/hip-hop just gets progressively more chit year after year, at least on mainstream and radio. I honestly stopped following the scene just before Drake made it big.


Honestly the genre was at it's peak at the height of the Nas/Jay-Z beef, started dying slowly afterwards.

This.

Time is a cruel mistress, and the fact is no one wants to listen to old musicians. Go listen to any of the old bands from the 80s that are still touring and doing their thing. Bon Jovi, ACDC, Guns n Roses, Eminem, from a technical standpoint, they're all still talented musicians, maybe even 'better' since they've learned tons from playing music for decades. But they just don't have that same energy that only exists in youth.

[Celsus]

I'm a huge EM fan, but I think a lot of his recent work these days are wack and a lot of it cringe worthy. Yeah, people change, but when you sing about removing guns, while you were making your career based of guns, having songs where he is blasting people with a gun, killing his fans, etc. is hugely hypocritical.

He has become a bit of a coward and is afraid to say what he wants. When he apologized for using the word ******* (he even censored it) in the song Fall, I think that was the last drop

I still dig his music though, and I respect the guy. Been listening to him for 20 years.

[StainlesSon]

Lol if you dont consider Em to be top 5 MCs ever you are just delusional

Skills wise, lyricism, storytelling, flow, and even production he's a BEAST

That's objectively seeing it and he's carved his place in history as the most influential rapper ever, period

That said, subjectively I dont feel his latest ****(meaning like last 10 years) I dont dig the whole 'rapping superfast' bs nor the hyper intricate rhyme schemes, but every once in a while he drops something i can totally fw

Someone above said he's not credible because 'he acts black', but that point is unfair and fallacious, he grew in a black neighborhood, always had mostly black friends, grew INSIDE black culture and had to fight to be accepted(and is now not only accepted but exalted by it) so there's nothing 'fake' about him acting like he does

I thought that his trump freestyle was one of the cringiest thing i've ever seen tho

[Deathstroke]

His sales help him, he has sold a lot of albums which people will use to say hes the GOAT. But any real rap fan knows he's not the best, he's definitely top 20 of all time but fuk no he's not number 1

I’m So hard pressed to find 20 rappers in his league. That’s rough.

I been a rap fnatic since 1992. But I do love all genres of metal and rock more. Rap is my second favorite music. The more extreme the metal the better and the more gangsta the rap is the better for me.

Eminem claims he’s not street, keeps his mouth shut about the hood and never iirc has used the n word... but to me he’s more gAngster than Cena.

Eminem in 2002 I recall he stepped into a gym and went to bench 100 lbs and ended up getting crushed under the bar. But his vocal is strong af . It’s made him world famous and super rich. He’s a brilliant writer as Tupac except he’s also a Great free stylist .

[PowerPal]

relapse was the only eminem album I liked. Ironically it's the one he hates the most. Love the dark, horror shiet

[skinnyfat88]

Lol if you dont consider Em to be top 5 MCs ever you are just delusional

Skills wise, lyricism, storytelling, flow, and even production he's a BEAST

That's objectively seeing it and he's carved his place in history as the most influential rapper ever, period

That said, subjectively I dont feel his latest ****(meaning like last 10 years) I dont dig the whole 'rapping superfast' bs nor the hyper intricate rhyme schemes, but every once in a while he drops something i can totally fw

Someone above said he's not credible because 'he acts black', but that point is unfair and fallacious, he grew in a black neighborhood, always had mostly black friends, grew INSIDE black culture and had to fight to be accepted(and is now not only accepted but exalted by it) so there's nothing 'fake' about him acting like he does

Agree with most of this. I take a listen to his new stuff and find the odd decent tune but the filler on his new albums is not worth a second listen.

He's still my fav rapper and top 5 artist of all time though. Got some bangers for listening to while working out too.

[MiniManletBrah]

Eminem is top 5 GOATs of rap

Miscers are just butthurt he attacked Trump, that thread was hilarious watching stans denounce Eminem for their new orange emperor.

Darkness was one of the best songs and video of the year.

[Dunn1219]

I don't understand the hate on his newer stuff...Bad Meets Evil with Royce was decent. Kamikaze has some solid hits on it as well. His diss on Machine Gun Kelly made that kid change from Rap to pop rock.