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    More strength and muscular endurance is always good if it doesn't detract from your skills training.
    However it takes a lot of effort, adjustments and sacrifice to follow a legit lifting program while you are trying to train as much grappling/striking as you can.
    Your recovery needs to be impeccable and you'll have to spend a lot of time stretching, sleeping, eating etc.
    You can also get hurt from lifting which will mess with your martial arts training.
    It's a lot of extra effort and not everyone has the time or resources to be able to handle it. That's probably why most just get to a decent level of strength and maintain from there on.
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    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    Pretty good video so far but I had to stop to note that, powerlifting variety doesn't just give you maximal strength it also gives you explosive, iso and endurance.

    Furthermore it also opens the door for rounding out the power. For example it lets you lift heavier in more focused exercises as opposed to if one skipped powerlifting.


    Edit: nm this guy is all over the place. I think its his bloat that throws him off track since hes a bloat lifter not an athlete body type who happens to powerlift.

    Actually the channel has follow up videos adressing those issues. His training program includes way to focus on these too.
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    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    Pretty good video so far but I had to stop to note that, powerlifting variety doesn't just give you maximal strength it also gives you explosive, iso and endurance.

    Furthermore it also opens the door for rounding out the power. For example it lets you lift heavier in more focused exercises as opposed to if one skipped powerlifting.

    Edit: nm this guy is all over the place. I think its his bloat that throws him off track since hes a bloat lifter not an athlete body type who happens to powerlift.
    Please explain where you think he is all over the place? That was a very informative and sound 20 minutes of explaining barbell strength in direct relation to bjj strength.

    Not an athlete? CWS is a super smart dude, and elite athlete who happens to be strong AF. He was an elite track and field throwing athlete before focusing on powerlifting, and also has near US National team Oly lift numbers.
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    as far as for boxing

    strength training is such a minimal thing that it's almost not needed
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    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    Please explain where you think he is all over the place? That was a very informative and sound 20 minutes of explaining barbell strength in direct relation to bjj strength.

    Not an athlete? CWS is a super smart dude, and elite athlete who happens to be strong AF. He was an elite track and field throwing athlete before focusing on powerlifting, and also has near US National team Oly lift numbers.
    You don't have to take KingSRW too seriously. He is a lowkey troll. The guy spent months on a crusade trying to convince anybody McGregor would beat Mayweather for example.
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    Originally Posted by I3igAl View Post
    You don't have to take KingSRW too seriously. He is a lowkey troll. The guy spent months on a crusade trying to convince anybody McGregor would beat Mayweather for example.
    The guy's one of the biggest pieces of chit in the history of this section (in the top 2, imo).
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    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    Please explain where you think he is all over the place? That was a very informative and sound 20 minutes of explaining barbell strength in direct relation to bjj strength.

    Not an athlete? CWS is a super smart dude, and elite athlete who happens to be strong AF. He was an elite track and field throwing athlete before focusing on powerlifting, and also has near US National team Oly lift numbers.
    Meaning at first he kinda "organized" and presented the paradigm well but then later when going into detail he kinda backtracked on the logic and also went into an awkward direction with his summations and conclusions.

    Which like I said I think have to do with him being too large. And thats kind of true too. Different people have different body sizes and sometimes we dont account for that and tend to generalize. And people with certain types seem to speak for others of their type. Thats normal and reality is complicated.

    So my guess is he tasted the limitations of his own body and attributed it to powerlifting.

    The thing is as you get larger, the ratio of how much you can lift compared to your body is exponential. And a large person is both using mechanical leverage and also facing a more blown out scale of weight to results ratio. (needs way more weight because his mechanical power is so intense) and he cant go past a certain point. Or stay below one due to bloat body.

    Compare that to someone like Khabibs size yet is able to generate a lot of force. The leverage of a 155 lbs person is way different than of a 300lbs person. And so that becomes a sliding scale.

    All his numbers were off a skewed towards one body type etc...

    The conclusions were weak because his personal experience was weak.

    At lower weights you have more "true strength" like the slow twitch muslce fibers become chimp like.

    To manipulate a 155lbs person when you have triple body weight power is way more intense.

    Its hard to generalize but I would say if anything, double down on powerlifting to the point where it bleeds out into everything else.

    You should be able to just do a standing backflip.
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