Reply
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 1 2
Results 31 to 60 of 60
  1. #31
    Registered User One Badass Mofo's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2006
    Posts: 2,171
    Rep Power: 923
    One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500) One Badass Mofo is a jewel in the rough. (+500)
    One Badass Mofo is offline
    More strength and muscular endurance is always good if it doesn't detract from your skills training.
    However it takes a lot of effort, adjustments and sacrifice to follow a legit lifting program while you are trying to train as much grappling/striking as you can.
    Your recovery needs to be impeccable and you'll have to spend a lot of time stretching, sleeping, eating etc.
    You can also get hurt from lifting which will mess with your martial arts training.
    It's a lot of extra effort and not everyone has the time or resources to be able to handle it. That's probably why most just get to a decent level of strength and maintain from there on.
    \_(ツ)_/
    Reply With Quote

  2. #32
    Registered User I3igAl's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2014
    Age: 32
    Posts: 12,782
    Rep Power: 43621
    I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    I3igAl is offline
    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    Pretty good video so far but I had to stop to note that, powerlifting variety doesn't just give you maximal strength it also gives you explosive, iso and endurance.

    Furthermore it also opens the door for rounding out the power. For example it lets you lift heavier in more focused exercises as opposed to if one skipped powerlifting.


    Edit: nm this guy is all over the place. I think its his bloat that throws him off track since hes a bloat lifter not an athlete body type who happens to powerlift.

    Actually the channel has follow up videos adressing those issues. His training program includes way to focus on these too.
    Reply With Quote

  3. #33
    Registered User akmerle's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 42
    Posts: 533
    Rep Power: 3643
    akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    akmerle is offline
    Originally Posted by KingSWRV View Post
    Pretty good video so far but I had to stop to note that, powerlifting variety doesn't just give you maximal strength it also gives you explosive, iso and endurance.

    Furthermore it also opens the door for rounding out the power. For example it lets you lift heavier in more focused exercises as opposed to if one skipped powerlifting.

    Edit: nm this guy is all over the place. I think its his bloat that throws him off track since hes a bloat lifter not an athlete body type who happens to powerlift.
    Please explain where you think he is all over the place? That was a very informative and sound 20 minutes of explaining barbell strength in direct relation to bjj strength.

    Not an athlete? CWS is a super smart dude, and elite athlete who happens to be strong AF. He was an elite track and field throwing athlete before focusing on powerlifting, and also has near US National team Oly lift numbers.
    Reply With Quote

  4. #34
    Registered User Purfected's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2016
    Age: 28
    Posts: 5,416
    Rep Power: 22778
    Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Purfected has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Purfected is offline
    as far as for boxing

    strength training is such a minimal thing that it's almost not needed
    Yellow Fever Crew
    Never Lost a Streetfight Crew
    J-Drama Crew/
    Hana Yori Dango Fanclub Crew
    Boxing Crew
    Reply With Quote

  5. #35
    Registered User I3igAl's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2014
    Age: 32
    Posts: 12,782
    Rep Power: 43621
    I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    I3igAl is offline
    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    Please explain where you think he is all over the place? That was a very informative and sound 20 minutes of explaining barbell strength in direct relation to bjj strength.

    Not an athlete? CWS is a super smart dude, and elite athlete who happens to be strong AF. He was an elite track and field throwing athlete before focusing on powerlifting, and also has near US National team Oly lift numbers.
    You don't have to take KingSRW too seriously. He is a lowkey troll. The guy spent months on a crusade trying to convince anybody McGregor would beat Mayweather for example.
    Reply With Quote

  6. #36
    Pro Wrestle MOD EidFnatic's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2018
    Posts: 2,378
    Rep Power: 14826
    EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    EidFnatic is offline
    Originally Posted by I3igAl View Post
    You don't have to take KingSRW too seriously. He is a lowkey troll. The guy spent months on a crusade trying to convince anybody McGregor would beat Mayweather for example.
    The guy's one of the biggest pieces of chit in the history of this section (in the top 2, imo).
    Hogan Warrior Taker Bret Y2J

    If HE looks like a SHE, it is acceptable.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #37
    Registered User iloveus's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2014
    Age: 28
    Posts: 16,463
    Rep Power: 46426
    iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) iloveus has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    iloveus is offline
    Lift Heavy Weights + High Volume + High Frequency
    Do Yoga
    See a Chiro
    Get massages
    Sprint/HIIT
    Run daily
    Eat meat and vegetables
    Take your daily vitamins
    Ice baths

    Not hard lol
    Financial Freedom/Passive Income Crew
    Entrepreneur Crew
    MMA Crew
    Cinematographer Crew
    Photographer Crew
    Ski/Snowboard Crew
    Guns Crew
    Reply With Quote

  8. #38
    Shiverin' since '92 Mr.PissShivers's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2009
    Age: 35
    Posts: 25,952
    Rep Power: 121538
    Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mr.PissShivers has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Mr.PissShivers is online now
    Google Joel Jamieson and do what he tells you.
    DISNEYLAND CREW
    Reply With Quote

  9. #39
    A BODYBUILDING GOD KingSWRV's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2014
    Posts: 17,055
    Rep Power: 74301
    KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) KingSWRV has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    KingSWRV is online now
    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    Please explain where you think he is all over the place? That was a very informative and sound 20 minutes of explaining barbell strength in direct relation to bjj strength.

    Not an athlete? CWS is a super smart dude, and elite athlete who happens to be strong AF. He was an elite track and field throwing athlete before focusing on powerlifting, and also has near US National team Oly lift numbers.
    Meaning at first he kinda "organized" and presented the paradigm well but then later when going into detail he kinda backtracked on the logic and also went into an awkward direction with his summations and conclusions.

    Which like I said I think have to do with him being too large. And thats kind of true too. Different people have different body sizes and sometimes we dont account for that and tend to generalize. And people with certain types seem to speak for others of their type. Thats normal and reality is complicated.

    So my guess is he tasted the limitations of his own body and attributed it to powerlifting.

    The thing is as you get larger, the ratio of how much you can lift compared to your body is exponential. And a large person is both using mechanical leverage and also facing a more blown out scale of weight to results ratio. (needs way more weight because his mechanical power is so intense) and he cant go past a certain point. Or stay below one due to bloat body.

    Compare that to someone like Khabibs size yet is able to generate a lot of force. The leverage of a 155 lbs person is way different than of a 300lbs person. And so that becomes a sliding scale.

    All his numbers were off a skewed towards one body type etc...

    The conclusions were weak because his personal experience was weak.

    At lower weights you have more "true strength" like the slow twitch muslce fibers become chimp like.

    To manipulate a 155lbs person when you have triple body weight power is way more intense.

    Its hard to generalize but I would say if anything, double down on powerlifting to the point where it bleeds out into everything else.

    You should be able to just do a standing backflip.
    A lot of girls say I'm built like a "Tank"
    BENCH: getting there
    DEADLIFT: getting there
    SQUAT: bout 350
    #TRUMP2024
    Reply With Quote

  10. #40
    Registered User zhengterry's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2015
    Age: 30
    Posts: 15,495
    Rep Power: 93590
    zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) zhengterry has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    zhengterry is online now
    Of course it matters, even for grizzled vets.

    You don't think an elite bench/squat/deadlift would factor in take down defense? Factor in the conditioning part alongside the strength and that makes up at least 25% of a professional mma fighter's game.
    Reply With Quote

  11. #41
    Registered User MiniManletBrah's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2016
    Age: 29
    Posts: 7,740
    Rep Power: 0
    MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) MiniManletBrah is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)
    MiniManletBrah is offline
    Originally Posted by MuslimBrahSwag View Post
    Is there any point to training strength after a certain level?

    For example, all of my brahs that I train with in the UFC have left completely or left a good deal of weight training due to injuries.

    One of them is a UFC lhw who was dominating his division until he got his injury and another is a bw who use to be seriously juicy but it seems like he doesnt even lift anymore.

    I'm not able to ask them rn bc I'm coming back from shoulder surgery, so i wanted to get misks opinions.

    I was thinking, come back, get bench to 2 plates and only go for reps after that. same with squat and dead, 4 plates, then only do 4 plates for reps.

    The idea and my own experience is that from unlucky punches that land wrong, weird positions in grappling, etc, all of this forms lots of stress that coupled with massive weight leads to injury way easier.

    Both my wrestling and Thai coach, my thai coach being a legend in Thailand, up there with Samart, and my coach, coming from Iran so I don't think those credentials even need to be challenged, have told me not to lift at all.

    I think there could be some middle ground though and you just have to listen to your body, really really carefully. What do yall think?
    In to find out who your trainer is?

    Is it kaensak? You are US based right?
    Reply With Quote

  12. #42
    Banned MuslimBrahSwag's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2020
    Age: 51
    Posts: 1,498
    Rep Power: 0
    MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) MuslimBrahSwag is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    MuslimBrahSwag is offline
    Originally Posted by MiniManletBrah View Post
    In to find out who your trainer is?

    Is it kaensak? You are US based right?
    Seksan
    Reply With Quote

  13. #43
    Registered User Crazee_786's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: Leningrad
    Posts: 4,170
    Rep Power: 1435
    Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Crazee_786 is offline
    If someone benches, squats, bent over rows, ohp, bicep curls, chins and dips heavy, regularly - there is no way their strength can be ignored in a combat situation. They are just resilient, tough and hard to wear down.

    The exception is for striking only situations eg boxing. Lifting weights goes out the window. I seen small guys hit real hard and they havent done a pushup in their life let alone lift weights
    Kill me. You must. For I will not stop.
    Reply With Quote

  14. #44
    Registered User akmerle's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 42
    Posts: 533
    Rep Power: 3643
    akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    akmerle is offline
    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post
    If someone benches, squats, bent over rows, ohp, bicep curls, chins and dips heavy, regularly - there is no way their strength can be ignored in a combat situation. They are just resilient, tough and hard to wear down.

    The exception is for striking only situations eg boxing. Lifting weights goes out the window. I seen small guys hit real hard and they havent done a pushup in their life let alone lift weights
    No one has said that strength should be ignored, what has been unanimously suggested by coaches and experts is that once there is a base level of strength achieved, that focusing more on technique and cardio is far more beneficial. The lower the skill and experience level, the more paramount and the more true.

    But will also say that all of the collegiate wrestlers and high level competition grapplers / MMA I know hardly ever touch weights. And in a combat situation I could care less what their powerlifting total is, and would be much more concerned with their actual training experience level.
    Reply With Quote

  15. #45
    Registered User amenhotepv's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2015
    Age: 30
    Posts: 1,203
    Rep Power: 640
    amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500) amenhotepv is a jewel in the rough. (+500)
    amenhotepv is offline
    I've been reading a book called easy strength and I look forward to not killing myself every workout. It seems like the way to go for fighters is to cut the volume down to doubles and triples
    powerlifting meet PRs at 175lbs:
    Squat 405
    Bench 325
    Deadlift 510
    Reply With Quote

  16. #46
    Registered User Crazee_786's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: Leningrad
    Posts: 4,170
    Rep Power: 1435
    Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Crazee_786 is offline
    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    But will also say that all of the collegiate wrestlers and high level competition grapplers / MMA I know hardly ever touch weights. And in a combat situation I could care less what their powerlifting total is, and would be much more concerned with their actual training experience level.
    You are without a doubt talking utter BS. ALL d1 and d2, national and international wrestlers lift weights - A LOT.

    Please tell me about these world champ grapplers that do not lift weights. This is going to be amusing.
    Kill me. You must. For I will not stop.
    Reply With Quote

  17. #47
    Registered User akmerle's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2012
    Age: 42
    Posts: 533
    Rep Power: 3643
    akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) akmerle is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    akmerle is offline
    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post
    You are without a doubt talking utter BS. ALL d1 and d2, national and international wrestlers lift weights - A LOT.

    Please tell me about these world champ grapplers that do not lift weights. This is going to be amusing.
    Relative to their time spent on the mats / cardio / technique their actual weight training is much smaller. Particularly in season.

    Even more so for strikers and mma.

    Please prove me wrong with an actual strength program and not social media glamor postings.
    Reply With Quote

  18. #48
    Registered User Crazee_786's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: Leningrad
    Posts: 4,170
    Rep Power: 1435
    Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Crazee_786 is offline
    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    Relative to their time spent on the mats / cardio / technique their actual weight training is much smaller. Particularly in season.

    Even more so for strikers and mma.

    Please prove me wrong with an actual strength program and not social media glamor postings.
    Yes
    Kill me. You must. For I will not stop.
    Reply With Quote

  19. #49
    Registered User Crazee_786's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: Leningrad
    Posts: 4,170
    Rep Power: 1435
    Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Crazee_786 is offline
    Okay tbh its not fair leaving it like that. Things are best demonstrated by example, I believe.

    Check the following video. Here is who is present and what happens.

    1) smug smiley looking, “functional” lbs for lbs amazing athlete dumbazz bjj guy who can submit you on the floor is you have the strength of a 12 year old girl.

    2) 2 people who do strength training seriously.

    What happens: essentially the youtube safe version of male rape. The two musculars toy with their prey as they laugh hysterically as “moves” are being demonstrated.



    I personally know a few, lets say enforcers, who are very serious into powerlifting. They are amazing fighters on the street and when questioned if they “train martial arts” they look puzzled and have said there is no need to. Why? Good luck landing a shot heavy enough to rock their thick neck, traps and shoulder girdle. Good luck hanging off their stone rigid arms with all your buck 80 “functional”
    Bodyweight and your “leverage” might.

    Spot dedicated to the Great Gama

    Kill me. You must. For I will not stop.
    Reply With Quote

  20. #50
    Registered User kusok's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2009
    Posts: 34,386
    Rep Power: 141882
    kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    kusok is offline
    Lol ^^^

    No untrained person regardless of size and muscle stands a chance VS a trained fighter.

    Your “enforcers” have never faced Anderson Silva or even Connor who would elbow them in the nose before they can even realize what happened. And noses have no muscles. Your “enforcers” got no chance. Just like Anderson Silva has no chance to bench 500 lbs.
    Reply With Quote

  21. #51
    Registered User Crazee_786's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: Leningrad
    Posts: 4,170
    Rep Power: 1435
    Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Crazee_786 is offline
    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Lol ^^^

    No untrained person regardless of size and muscle stands a chance VS a trained fighter.

    Your “enforcers” have never faced Anderson Silva or even Connor who would elbow them in the nose before they can even realize what happened. And noses have no muscles. Your “enforcers” got no chance. Just like Anderson Silva has no chance to bench 500 lbs.
    Bro we aren’t talking about midgets, they don’t count cos there’s something call human rights laws that shouldn’t be violated with those folk.
    Now as for anderson silva the goat, hes a top performing professional. You are using a literal 0.000001% representation sample, when talking about martial arts and skills. The vast majority of those who train TapOut and BeeJayJay and UFC are going to get crushed against a stronger guy.
    Take the video I posted above, look how embarrassed Mr bjj looks. Its just genuinely sad.
    Kill me. You must. For I will not stop.
    Reply With Quote

  22. #52
    Pro Wrestle MOD EidFnatic's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2018
    Posts: 2,378
    Rep Power: 14826
    EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) EidFnatic is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    EidFnatic is offline
    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post


    Big Daddy would've raped the Gama.
    Hogan Warrior Taker Bret Y2J

    If HE looks like a SHE, it is acceptable.
    Reply With Quote

  23. #53
    i need a tan mp83's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2011
    Location: Wisconsin, United States
    Posts: 9,231
    Rep Power: 77034
    mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) mp83 has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    mp83 is offline
    HIIT with weights would help you a lot more than a powerlifting routine.

    That being said, you gotta be careful not to get injured, too.
    Green Bay Packers-Milwaukee Brewers
    Muay Thai Crew / Investing / Finance Crew / {Misc Fisherman Crew}

    Torn labrum 10/13: recovered mostly
    Reply With Quote

  24. #54
    Registered User kusok's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2009
    Posts: 34,386
    Rep Power: 141882
    kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    kusok is offline
    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post
    Bro we aren’t talking about midgets, they don’t count cos there’s something call human rights laws that shouldn’t be violated with those folk.
    Now as for anderson silva the goat, hes a top performing professional. You are using a literal 0.000001% representation sample, when talking about martial arts and skills. The vast majority of those who train TapOut and BeeJayJay and UFC are going to get crushed against a stronger guy.
    Take the video I posted above, look how embarrassed Mr bjj looks. Its just genuinely sad.

    The very first thing people find out when they join a real MMA gym with many pros and amateur fighters sparring is how helpless they are, even VS someone 50 lbs lighter and a foot shorter as long as that person is a seriously trained full contact fighter.

    Strangely the first thing that goes is cardio, after 30 seconds the tough guy noob is breathing heavy and the fighter starts to smile, they have seen it all before, it’s over from there.

    Not to mention reaction to strikes, unless you get punches thrown at you daily, our human reaction is wrong, it is to blink, turn away, reach for opponent’s hands etc. No amount of lifting or size can correct this. And when a 140 lbs pro connects full contact to your nose or chin or nerves on your leg it’s over.
    Reply With Quote

  25. #55
    Registered User Crazee_786's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2002
    Location: Leningrad
    Posts: 4,170
    Rep Power: 1435
    Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000) Crazee_786 is just really nice. (+1000)
    Crazee_786 is offline
    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    The very first thing people find out when they join a real MMA gym with many pros and amateur fighters sparring is how helpless they are, even VS someone 50 lbs lighter and a foot shorter as long as that person is a seriously trained full contact fighter.

    Strangely the first thing that goes is cardio, after 30 seconds the tough guy noob is breathing heavy and the fighter starts to smile, they have seen it all before, it’s over from there.

    Not to mention reaction to strikes, unless you get punches thrown at you daily, our human reaction is wrong, it is to blink, turn away, reach for opponent’s hands etc. No amount of lifting or size can correct this. And when a 140 lbs pro connects full contact to your nose or chin or nerves on your leg it’s over.
    Almost everything you said sounds like you are speaking for yourself. Dont measure others by your own yardstick, boy
    Kill me. You must. For I will not stop.
    Reply With Quote

  26. #56
    Registered User kusok's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2009
    Posts: 34,386
    Rep Power: 141882
    kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) kusok has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    kusok is offline
    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post
    Almost everything you said sounds like you are speaking for yourself. Dont measure others by your own yardstick, boy

    You just told us you never spared full contact with anyone good And never trained for real. Never competed for sure. 100% Or else you would know all I said was 100% true for absolutely everyone. You can literally take a marathon world champion and he would gas in 30 seconds in an MMA fight. It’s different. Efficiency etc. And you never got hit by a pro, neither did your “enforcer” friends LOL

    A strong man stands zero chance VS anyone good at actual fighting.
    Reply With Quote

  27. #57
    Registered User goonsondeck's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2016
    Age: 33
    Posts: 1,368
    Rep Power: 4215
    goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) goonsondeck is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    goonsondeck is offline
    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    The very first thing people find out when they join a real MMA gym with many pros and amateur fighters sparring is how helpless they are, even VS someone 50 lbs lighter and a foot shorter as long as that person is a seriously trained full contact fighter.

    Strangely the first thing that goes is cardio, after 30 seconds the tough guy noob is breathing heavy and the fighter starts to smile, they have seen it all before, it’s over from there.

    Not to mention reaction to strikes, unless you get punches thrown at you daily, our human reaction is wrong, it is to blink, turn away, reach for opponent’s hands etc. No amount of lifting or size can correct this. And when a 140 lbs pro connects full contact to your nose or chin or nerves on your leg it’s over.
    100%

    a 60kg pro boxer would spark out some big guy who has never fought/sparred before
    Reply With Quote

  28. #58
    Registered User I3igAl's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2014
    Age: 32
    Posts: 12,782
    Rep Power: 43621
    I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) I3igAl has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    I3igAl is offline
    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post
    Okay tbh its not fair leaving it like that. Things are best demonstrated by example, I believe.

    Check the following video. Here is who is present and what happens.

    1) smug smiley looking, “functional” lbs for lbs amazing athlete dumbazz bjj guy who can submit you on the floor is you have the strength of a 12 year old girl.

    2) 2 people who do strength training seriously.

    1) Juji and Tom's videos are more or less scripted, directed and cut by Tom. The DYEL guy behind the camera in this video.
    2) Martin Licis claims in the video to have been training bjj for half a year before, but then stopped.
    3) Noone is trying to submit anyone, the teacher didn't push those positions through.

    Originally Posted by Crazee_786 View Post
    I personally know a few, lets say enforcers, who are very serious into powerlifting. They are amazing fighters on the street and when questioned if they “train martial arts” they look puzzled and have said there is no need to. Why? Good luck landing a shot heavy enough to rock their thick neck, traps and shoulder girdle. Good luck hanging off their stone rigid arms with all your buck 80 “functional”
    Bodyweight and your “leverage” might.

    Spot dedicated to the Great Gama

    Why would you post a guy, who spent his entire life training wrestling below what you just wrote? Are you trolling by a chance?
    Reply With Quote

  29. #59
    Registered User aspirex's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2008
    Age: 29
    Posts: 680
    Rep Power: 481
    aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250) aspirex has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    aspirex is offline
    strength training definitely helps not too heavy because injury chance is high, once u snap your lower back with heavy deadlifts lifes over. in fights, tendon strength & strong bones actually is more of the determinant factor, high reps build tendon strength, tendon strength allows you to have a higher muscle usage rate. was an amateur went into sparring with some dude that trained for years, shin to shin, he felt no pain while mine is jacked.
    if u train for prs low reps, chance of injury is high and u are not training that much for the tendon. not worth imo
    Reply With Quote

  30. #60
    Manifesting changes DassItMan's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2016
    Posts: 3,884
    Rep Power: 18997
    DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) DassItMan is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    DassItMan is offline
    Costa vs Adesanya.

    Khabib when he steps on the scale at 155 vs any of his opponents and how they look besides him looking lower body fat % than him thus likely having more muscle mass.

    Lifting helps fighting but won’t help you against a kick boxer/wrestler. You don’t work out your jaw, balls, knees, pain receptors, your face, your liver, your ability to take a hit etc.

    But lifting will always be > martial arts. Why? Because it’s better to look the part and be respected for it rather than boasting to everyone you are the part and not being taken seriously. You don’t tell every stranger you meet you’re a black belt in whatever but they can see your physique.
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts