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  • Khabib

    19 18.10%
  • Jon jones

    31 29.52%
  • DC

    1 0.95%
  • Silva

    6 5.71%
  • Fedor

    16 15.24%
  • GSP

    21 20.00%
  • Demetrious Johnson

    4 3.81%
  • Conor Mcgregor

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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    I didn't mention Jones fighting Cro Cop, Nog, or anyone else other than Fedor lol. Because then obviously size IS a factor, and then you have to compare accomplishments/overall skill (which obviously Jones wins against any of those guys)

    Jones probably weighs ~225lbs on fight night, Fedor ~235lbs

    You can compare Jones to Fedor because size isn't a factor. Jones is obviously much bigger in height and reach. Fedor fought as the smaller man for most of his career. Weight would be negligible at that size.



    Jones (in his prime) showed nothing but exceptional wrestling, strength, timing, and distance control. The idea that Fedor would simply be able to walk up to Jones, body lock him and ragdoll him on the floor is laughable lol.

    Far more likely is Jones stays on the outside and hits Fedor with chit he has never seen before.

    MMA evolved and advanced massively from Fedor's prime days to Jones' prime days, and Jones was at the forefront of that evolution.

    You'll never agree but that's ok.

    You have to ask yourself then why Jones didn’t fight at HW. Simple answer which you KNOW is that Jones would have a much harder time dealing with people 50 and in some case 100 lbs bigger than himself.

    Try to roll with a smaller purple, then roll with a 300 lbs lifter with next to zero skills, weight classes exist for a reason. Jones’s best bet was to cut weight to get the biggest possible reach and size advantage over his opponents, and it worked amazingly! Props to him, one of the greatest fighters of all time, but there is only one GOAT. GSP and just about every other fighter stated who that GOAT is. Just in case some MMA fans have a short memory.

    Think of Crocop from 2005-2006 VS Jones... Not a good fight for Jones, well Fedor walked him down, first round Fed basically matched him and even got the better of him in what looked like a K1 stand-up fight. Submission-wise Jones is not on the level to defend submissions from top HWs, Werdum would have ripped his arm off if he had him in the position Vitor had Jones in. HW is a different ballgame.

    At HW Jones also looses a lot of his speed and cardio, you have to remember that.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    A caught steroid user with massive reach and size advantage over his opponents fighting in the weakest division can not be considered GOAT.
    Because all the other UFC fighters are definitely natty




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    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    Are you trolling? Honest question. Jones has been champ since before khabib even joined the UFC.

    At the time of fighting them, please show me which of his opponents since he became the champ a DECADE ago were over 32 or at the tail end? Look at the names, their ages, their past championships and championship fights.

    While incredibly dominant, in his 9 years of only 12 UFC fights and only 4 title fights his competition is VASTLY lower. Like not even close lower.
    Rua, Machida, Rampage, and Rashad all were practically past their prime from places like Pride. Even Rua had lost to Forrest of all people and Machida only had one decent run before losing to Rua. Rampage and Rashad had also lost a fair deal by then, Rashad to Machida.

    When he faced fresh new blood like Gus, he struggled in the first fight. Looked more than human against Reyes and Santos.

    He came into a LHW division that was changing champs every second because all fighters were past their prime in most cases.
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    Just out of curiosity: what happened to all that stuff when everyone took Jones off their ratings and rankings when he popped for steroids like 17 times in a row?

    Doesn’t count anymore? He is fine now? Back in the GOAT discussion like nothing happened?
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    The greatest fighters I have ever seen fight in their prime have been Jose Aldo and Jon Jones

    edit: The Aldo disrespect ITT is disgusting
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    Originally Posted by JungleJenetics View Post
    The greatest fighters I have ever seen fight in their prime have been Jose Aldo and Jon Jones

    edit: The Aldo disrespect ITT is disgusting
    Yeah, Aldo is top 10 and probably top 5 for me. 10 years of dominance in his division in dominating fashion.
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    Originally Posted by JungleJenetics View Post
    The greatest fighters I have ever seen fight in their prime have been Jose Aldo and Jon Jones

    edit: The Aldo disrespect ITT is disgusting
    Originally Posted by Rai9 View Post
    Yeah, Aldo is top 10 and probably top 5 for me. 10 years of dominance in his division in dominating fashion.

    When they asked John McEnroe why he called Serena Williams greatest female player instead of greatest player, he said it’s because Roger Federer would beat her 6-0, 6-0.

    When you talk of guys like Aldo or Jon Jones, you talk of lower weight classes. This is a GOAT discussion, there is only one heavyweight on the poll and the only one of the greats who didn’t pop for steroids, so the answer is obvious.


    Think of boxing, who is the GOAT, Ali, Tyson etc. Notice both are heavyweights... There is a reason for that. You don’t call some 125 pounder GOAT, it would be retarded, he would look like a midget next to Ali.

    Who is the greatest driver of all time? Let’s say Michael Schumacher, but why not some guy who races slow cars? We think of F1.

    Or take striking, K1, who won K1 GP, those are GOATS of striking, Ernesto Hoost etc. Again, all heavyweights.

    Karelin, GOAT wrestler, heavyweight.

    If you talk about GOAT you have to talk about the biggest, and the best. Who would win head to head. No weight cutting, and certainly no steroids.
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    GSP no doubt. He has some losses but avenged them all. He's probably the most complete fighter ever. It didnt matter whether you were a KO artist, D1 wrestling champion, decorated BJJ practioner. He took it to everyone. Out struck strikers, out grappled BJJers, out wrestled wrestlers. Nothing he couldnt do. However later on in his career, he pretty much just wrestled. But an upcoming GSP was crazy. He had solid striking, and just wrecked everyone.

    Kind of wish he would of fought Khabib. I have no doubt he would of destroyed him.

    GSP also held belts in two weight classes unlike JJ, mighty mouse, and Silva
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Just out of curiosity: what happened to all that stuff when everyone took Jones off their ratings and rankings when he popped for steroids like 17 times in a row?

    Doesn’t count anymore? He is fine now? Back in the GOAT discussion like nothing happened?
    He should hv been disqualified the first time it got detected
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    Tough question really and the varied responses show that.

    I have GSP, Jones and Khabib at the top. Jones with the * by his name arguably number 1. It would solidify it for me if he hadn't got busted and if he won at HW. Khabib is there but I think he needed some better competition and more high ranked fights. Mighty Mouse cushioned his win rates and defenses with cherry picked fights, screw him.

    It all boils down to overall greatest with all things considered. Dennis Siver.

    Edit: why is Conor in the poll? LMFAO. The dude has the biggest star power and bank of course but to be mentioned in the greatest discussion is laughable
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    I think talent and competition mean one thing, ingenuity to adapt properly and bring the right spirit to your career also count.

    Some 300lb sickunt with special genetics who outmuscles his competition with a weak training programme he followed lazily would not rank above GSP for me even if he won a couple more titles. He would need to pursue greatness in ways that moved the bar.
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    It has to be jon jones.

    The dude has ****ed up mentality and definitely a sociopath.

    But he is ruthless and the best at what he does.
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    Natty?
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    Originally Posted by OttomanEmpire View Post


    Natty?
    100% natty. Just hard work and prayers. People just get caught over and over, but they natty, it was an ingredient they didn’t know about in a nasal spray! Those visible abs with more muscles than natural bodybuilders is just genetics and whey protein with creatine.
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    Lmao at the naive people wanting to disqualify anyone based on getting popped for PEDs lmao

    They’re all on, some just manage to not get caught. If you put a true natural in the octagon he would he absolutely demolished by and ranked fighter. Wouldn’t stand a chance lol
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    Originally Posted by knightofday View Post
    Lmao at the naive people wanting to disqualify anyone based on getting popped for PEDs lmao

    They’re all on, some just manage to not get caught. If you put a true natural in the octagon he would he absolutely demolished by and ranked fighter. Wouldn’t stand a chance lol
    But don't the top ones with money get the best experts like that Armstrong guy would get his tainted blood replaced etc?
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    i went with mighty mouse because he never really lost and dominated the whole division
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    Lol @ Khabib, Conor and DC even being options. I would expect better even from filthy casuals.

    Fedor, Silva, Jones and GSP is obviously and without a doubt the top 4. Any order of those 4 is acceptable.
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    Lol @ Khabib, Conor and DC even being options. I would expect better even from filthy casuals.

    Fedor, Silva, Jones and GSP is obviously and without a doubt the top 4. Any order of those 4 is acceptable.
    Khabib is the only one undefeated.
    Silva and jones hv cheated so they shud b disqualified.
    I added conor for the lulz
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    Originally Posted by ScaleAndSteel View Post
    Tough question really and the varied responses show that.

    I have GSP, Jones and Khabib at the top. Jones with the * by his name arguably number 1. It would solidify it for me if he hadn't got busted and if he won at HW. Khabib is there but I think he needed some better competition and more high ranked fights. Mighty Mouse cushioned his win rates and defenses with cherry picked fights, screw him.

    It all boils down to overall greatest with all things considered. Dennis Siver.

    Edit: why is Conor in the poll? LMFAO. The dude has the biggest star power and bank of course but to be mentioned in the greatest discussion is laughable
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    Originally Posted by mk2kh View Post
    Khabib is the only one undefeated.
    Silva and jones hv cheated so they shud b disqualified.
    I added conor for the lulz
    1) So am I. And Khabib only has 3-4 more top 5 wins in his entire career than I do. He's simply nowhere close to even being in the discussion. All the GOAT candidates have around 10-15+ top 5 wins.
    2) They're all on steroids. If you don't understand that you're pretty naive. The only way you could criticize somebody imo if it was so obvious and over the top like TRTOR or Overeem where got a siginifcant advantage over their competition anyway
    3) Sure.
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    It's Jon Jones and it's not even close.

    Oh absolutely! Getting caught with steroids 17’000 times, and enjoying 57 foot reach and 304 lbs weight advantage over your opponents definitely makes one GOAT. And of course losing a recent fight, but bullsheit judges give you a win politically anyway.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Oh absolutely! Getting caught with steroids 17’000 times, and enjoying 57 foot reach and 304 lbs weight advantage over your opponents definitely makes one GOAT. And of course losing a recent fight, but bullsheit judges give you a win politically anyway.
    Jesus bro... EVERY successful athlete is on OJ

    Jones just gets caught alot

    And that reach/height argument makes no sense... That's like saying Khabib would suck if he wasn't so strong.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Oh absolutely! Getting caught with steroids 17’000 times, and enjoying 57 foot reach and 304 lbs weight advantage over your opponents definitely makes one GOAT. And of course losing a recent fight, but bullsheit judges give you a win politically anyway.

    LOL @ pretending being tall and lanky with skinny legs is a huge advantage. That's why DC was HW champ, that's why Khabib and Usman are champs right now. That's why Struve has been dominating HW for years.

    And Jones doesn't even cut a lot of weight.
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    1) So am I. And Khabib only has 3-4 more top 5 wins in his entire career than I do. He's simply nowhere close to even being in the discussion. All the GOAT candidates have around 10-15+ top 5 wins.
    2) They're all on steroids. If you don't understand that you're pretty naive. The only way you could criticize somebody imo if it was so obvious and over the top like TRTOR or Overeem where got a siginifcant advantage over their competition anyway
    3) Sure.
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    Originally Posted by Barteh View Post
    LOL @ pretending being tall and lanky with skinny legs is a huge advantage. That's why DC was HW champ, that's why Khabib and Usman are champs right now. That's why Struve has been dominating HW for years.

    And Jones doesn't even cut a lot of weight.

    Reach advantage is a YOOOOOOOGE advantage. This is why it’s even written on the front page before the fights. Every inch of reach advantage is a significant advantage. Size advantage is likewise very important. Jones is huge. Walks around at 230+ sometimes.

    Jones has not just reach advantage, he has like half a foot reach advantage. It’s like fighting someone who is poking at you with two tridents non-stop. If I recall correctly he is at 84 inches reach, this is sick, extremely gifted athlete. 78-80 inch reach at that height is already considered long.

    Yes, other great fighters can overcome this, but it’s a great advantage. The things Jones does technically are not good, other fighters would get destroyed if they tried it, Jones is simply gifted genetically, while guys like Machida have to work on it and do things properly. Jones may be the best natural gifted fighter, but not a GOAT Martial Artist, not by a long shot.
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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    Jesus bro... EVERY successful athlete is on OJ

    Jones just gets caught alot

    And that reach/height argument makes no sense... That's like saying Khabib would suck if he wasn't so strong.
    We don’t know if Fedor was fighting on juice In PRIDE. I had frank conversations with members of his team a decade ago and repeatedly got the feel that he was not on roids and his team were super pissed off that his top opponents clearly and pretty much openly were on roids. Honestly I can’t say. Sometimes I see what kind of shot he took from Crocop etc. I’m having a very hard time imagining a natural human survive that, but Fedor remains the only GOAT among GOATS who didn’t get caught. So there is that... idk
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