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    Doesn't look bad but it's a GM so expect ****ty build quality like batteries that explode, check engine light, tons of rattles (dealer will tell you this is normal for a 90k+ vehicle)


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    Das a yikes from me fam. Kudos to Tesla for legitimizing EV trucks though. Most guys I know that live in the mountains/haul larger loads still would never touch them, but they'll be great for city folks! We are slowly starting to see that electric works for 95% of applications and I'm sure we will see the technology continue improving to drive down costs. Its funny as a kid in school I always thought about how archaic the gasoline powered engines were. Like 1 step above caveman status powering our cars with mini explosions burning shyt lmao
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    Only thing I would want electric is a golf cart. No thanks jeff.
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    Tesla is focusing on expansion and bringing down the cost of product to consumers. The Hummer EV will run 80K to 113K.



    The Hummer EV looks badass and if performance is as claimed its going to perform well too. But to be perfectly honest I'd be more interested in the Hummer EV just coming in gas or diesel at a more affordable price point.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Das a yikes from me fam. Kudos to Tesla for legitimizing EV trucks though. Most guys I know that live in the mountains/haul larger loads still would never touch them, but they'll be great for city folks! We are slowly starting to see that electric works for 95% of applications and I'm sure we will see the technology continue improving to drive down costs. Its funny as a kid in school I always thought about how archaic the gasoline powered engines were. Like 1 step above caveman status powering our cars with mini explosions burning shyt lmao
    funny because electric cars arent as revolutionary as you think. electic motors arent new neither are lithium batteries. tesla just refined it and made it popular. the modern gas engine is the most refined and advanced machine on the planet imo, we have engines that have efficiencies almost at the theoretical limit. caveman status lmao.
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    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    Doesn't look bad but it's a GM so expect ****ty build quality like batteries that explode, check engine light, tons of rattles (dealer will tell you this is normal for a 90k+ vehicle)


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    Originally Posted by gluon View Post
    funny because electric cars arent as revolutionary as you think. electic motors arent new neither are lithium batteries. tesla just refined it and made it popular. the modern gas engine is the most refined and advanced machine on the planet imo, we have engines that have efficiencies almost at the theoretical limit. caveman status lmao.
    No they made better batteries and made EV more economical for a greater % of the population.

    Gas engines may be close to their theoretical limit in terms of efficiency, but that doesn't really change the narrative when you legitimately think about the fact the engine is harnessing the power from mini explosions from liquefied and refined organic matter that died thousands of years ago.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    No they made better batteries and made EV more economical for a greater % of the population.

    Gas engines may be close to their theoretical limit in terms of efficiency, but that doesn't really change the narrative when you legitimately think about the fact the engine is harnessing the power from mini explosions from liquefied and refined organic matter that died thousands of years ago.
    lol a narrative of pure ignorance that says nothing, so i guess GE's GE9X jet engines are "caveman status" cause they burn fuel too LMAO. nothing on the planet has received more R&D and pure engineering attention than the combustion engine. we have grown as a species along side the gas engine, its development has been ours. in the search for a better engine more than anything else we have perfected tribology, thermodynamics, fluid flow, heat transfer, machine tolerances, metallurgy, reliability analysis, the list goes on. plz go.
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    I dont think any of these new Electric Cars will put a dent in Tesla at all. If anything it will bring Tesla more customers.

    More non EV buyers will slowly start considering EV. Also Tesla's flagship car is basically a 8yr old car that Porsche is just now starting to catch up with and Lucid isnt even going to hit market for another year and still cost 2x as much.

    By then Tesla will have come out with something newer or cheaper or faster or all 3.
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    lol a narrative of pure ignorance that says nothing, so i guess GE's GE9X jet engines are "caveman status" cause they burn fuel too LMAO. nothing on the planet has received more R&D and pure engineering attention than the combustion engine. we have grown as a species along side the gas engine, its development has been ours. in the search for a better engine more than anything else we have perfected tribology, thermodynamics, fluid flow, heat transfer, machine tolerances, metallurgy, reliability analysis, the list goes on. plz go.
    True, but we have basically reached a point where there is a law of diminishing returns when it comes to appreciable gains in efficiency or power when it comes to normal consumer transportation.

    Do you not agree that consumer EV are in their infancy, and already have cost of ownership / maintenance / power / emissions advantages IC vehicles?

    The same R&D money will net much greater results for auto manufacturers by investing in EV. Hell, they don’t even have to be the ones developing the new battery technology, which is where the main range issue with EV lies.
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    Hummer people dont buy Hummers because they are muscle cars. Hummers made low power and are slow AF. People bought Hummers cause of status. If the Hummer EV can cost over 100k, people will buy it just out of sure uniqueness and novelty.
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    Only thing I would want electric is a golf cart. No thanks jeff.
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    lol a narrative of pure ignorance that says nothing, so i guess GE's GE9X jet engines are "caveman status" cause they burn fuel too LMAO. nothing on the planet has received more R&D and pure engineering attention than the combustion engine. we have grown as a species along side the gas engine, its development has been ours. in the search for a better engine more than anything else we have perfected tribology, thermodynamics, fluid flow, heat transfer, machine tolerances, metallurgy, reliability analysis, the list goes on. plz go.
    Thank you. Electric fans sound soo incredibly ignorant sometimes, but I don’t blame them because of the MASSIVE CONSTANT propaganda against gas engines. How people can’t see the sham behind the push for electric by all the wrong people blows my mind.
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    True, but we have basically reached a point where there is a law of diminishing returns when it comes to appreciable gains in efficiency or power when it comes to normal consumer transportation.

    Do you not agree that consumer EV are in their infancy, and already have cost of ownership / maintenance / power / emissions advantages IC vehicles?

    The same R&D money will net much greater results for auto manufacturers by investing in EV. Hell, they don’t even have to be the ones developing the new battery technology, which is where the main range issue with EV lies.
    those advantages other than "emissions" are highly debatable. for example power. with evs its a contentious topic. all the ev manufacturer has to do is give the motor a quick burst of extra voltage and peak hp is artificially inflated for marketing purposes. for real usable power the gas motor is still king.

    what you prob mean is low end acceleration. which leads me to the only real engineering hurdle left for the gas engine vehicle. a high performance infinite ratio CVT. It would be a game changer for gas cars. would be able to deliver instant max torque like an ev. also would substantially increase efficiency.
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    Wait till people find out that EVs are only.good for 100k miles or so then will need to be replaced.
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    those advantages other than "emissions" are highly debatable. for example power. with evs its a contentious topic. all the ev manufacturer has to do is give the motor a quick burst of extra voltage and peak hp is artificially inflated for marketing purposes. for real usable power the gas motor is still king.

    what you prob mean is low end acceleration. which leads me to the only real engineering hurdle left for the gas engine vehicle. a high performance infinite ratio CVT. It would be a game changer for gas cars. would be able to deliver instant max torque like an ev. also would substantially increase efficiency.


    EV's definitely have a power advantage. This hummer EV is going to have 1300hp and it doesn't matter if it's just a short surge of power sent to the motor. The same thing happens on a gasoline engine. It's not always making peak power and doesn't have more useable power.




    The only real argument I see against EV's is that they aren't really more environmentally friendly. That power still has to be generated and stored in batteries which are bad for the environment.
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    you fail to understand the difference between pushing an electric motor past its thermal rating and gas engines having peak hp by their inherent design. lmao that's why they have gears, modern performance cars have 8+ gears and blazing fast trannies, so they can stay very close to max hp, which the motor can handle without overheating.

    EV does not have a power advantage, any car company can make a concept car with a 1,300+ hp gas engine, even with crippling epa restrictions. Power is irrelevant, the gas engine is capable of 12,000+ hp out of a little 8 liter v8 lmao an electric motor could never even dream of having that kind of power in that small of a package and that low of weight

    until we see the hummers entire power curve, until people dig deeper, until it actually hits the sales floor all your saying is completely irelevant.

    I don't see a point arguing with you. you are too ignorant on the subject.
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    wow. that thing is nice. fully automatic driving. was thinking 100k, and yep msrp is 110k.

    if i had the money tho id spend 40-50k on a nice 2500 and lift it with biggest tires that would fit. then get a tsla suv or a ford escape hybrid or something. **** 110k for that thing. why?
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    Wait till people find out that EVs are only.good for 100k miles or so then will need to be replaced.
    Maintenance would still be much cheaper. There are Tesla taxis in LA that have 400k miles, only had to replace the battery twice, with a fraction of the mainentance cost a gas vehicle would be.
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    you fail to understand the difference between pushing an electric motor past its thermal rating and gas engines having peak hp by their inherent design. lmao that's why they have gears, modern performance cars have 8+ gears and blazing fast trannies, so they can stay very close to max hp, which the motor can handle without overheating.

    EV does not have a power advantage, any car company can make a concept car with a 1,300+ hp gas engine, even with crippling epa restrictions. Power is irrelevant, the gas engine is capable of 12,000+ hp out of a little 8 liter v8 lmao an electric motor could never even dream of having that kind of power in that small of a package and that low of weight

    until we see the hummers entire power curve, until people dig deeper, until it actually hits the sales floor all your saying is completely irelevant.

    I don't see a point arguing with you. you are too ignorant on the subject.

    The Hummer EV does 0-60 in under 3.0 seconds. Most sports cars aren't that fast. Who says the electric motor is being pushed beyond its design? You better have some sources to be making claims like that and a engineering degree.

    Saying a gasoline engine is capable of 12k horsepower is extremely intellectually disingenuous. No 12k horsepower engine is going to last years in a daily driven situation not to mention the extreme cost.



    I don't know why people try to fight the future and emerging technologies so much. This is happening and most cars will be electric within ten years.



    You also went to insults pretty quick. The whole "I'm intellectually superior so I won't argue my talking points with you" is something some Reddit neckbeard would say.
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    For your average grocery getter/commuter car, electric engines are way better than gas, srs.

    -Instant torque/acceleration at low speeds for stop and go, where most city drivers use it and need it.

    -Minimal # of moving parts for maintenance; more miles, less breakages.

    -They get gassed up/recharged regularly anyway.

    Now if I was hauling logs deep in the middle of Siberia, or long-haul trucking for 800 miles a day, then phuck no I wouldn't an EV. But for most city-cucks (and even country-cucks), they really are a better engineering solution. And people who buy Hummers usually fit in those two categories.

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    Originally Posted by gluon View Post
    those advantages other than "emissions" are highly debatable. for example power. with evs its a contentious topic. all the ev manufacturer has to do is give the motor a quick burst of extra voltage and peak hp is artificially inflated for marketing purposes. for real usable power the gas motor is still king.

    what you prob mean is low end acceleration. which leads me to the only real engineering hurdle left for the gas engine vehicle. a high performance infinite ratio CVT. It would be a game changer for gas cars. would be able to deliver instant max torque like an ev. also would substantially increase efficiency.
    The advantages I listed are only “highly debatable” by those dogmatic few who refuse to be open minded to an obviously superior option with advantages in major engineering / cost / application / sustainability metrics.

    Usable power? Lol, like torque? Um yeah, EV crushes IC. Even if you could fix the transmissions with your CVT example (which I agree with), you are still hamstrung by the basic fundamental IC design of building RPM and getting them delivered to the crank.

    Come on man, for being as smart as you try to portray on here, you should know this.

    And lol at bringing up top fuel / funny car in a discussion on consumer vehicles. If you are having to use those examples as points in a debate then you have lost long ago.
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    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    The advantages I listed are only “highly debatable” by those dogmatic few who refuse to be open minded to an obviously superior option with advantages in major engineering / cost / application / sustainability metrics.

    Usable power? Lol, like torque? Um yeah, EV crushes IC. Even if you could fix the transmissions with your CVT example (which I agree with), you are still hamstrung by the basic fundamental IC design of building RPM and getting them delivered to the crank.

    Come on man, for being as smart as you try to portray on here, you should know this.

    And lol at bringing up top fuel / funny car in a discussion on consumer vehicles. If you are having to use those examples as points in a debate then you have lost long ago.

    with a infinite ratio cvt "building RPM and getting them delivered to the crank" is no longer an issue. motor can be at any rpm at any time.

    as you said
    "Come on man, for being as smart as you try to portray on here, you should know this."


    you made general statements that ev's have a power advantage. I brought up funny cars to make a point, the absolute limit of a gas engine is higher than the absolute limit of the electric motor, which makes your general statement fasle. Any manufacturer can make any hp engine they want to, its not an intrinsic advantage of an EV to have more power, their advantage is low end torque and more precise control of power delivery. but to say they are more powerful is just plain false.


    Originally Posted by swoleyo View Post
    The Hummer EV does 0-60 in under 3.0 seconds. Most sports cars aren't that fast. Who says the electric motor is being pushed beyond its design? You better have some sources to be making claims like that and a engineering degree.

    Saying a gasoline engine is capable of 12k horsepower is extremely intellectually disingenuous. No 12k horsepower engine is going to last years in a daily driven situation not to mention the extreme cost.



    I don't know why people try to fight the future and emerging technologies so much. This is happening and most cars will be electric within ten years.



    You also went to insults pretty quick. The whole "I'm intellectually superior so I won't argue my talking points with you" is something some Reddit neckbeard would say.
    it wasn't meant as an insult, you do appear to be ignorant on this subject. nothing wrong with that but i'm not going to argue with you. but it is funny how someone so appalled at being "insulted" is so quick to throw actual insults LMAO
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    Originally Posted by gluon View Post
    lol a narrative of pure ignorance that says nothing, so i guess GE's GE9X jet engines are "caveman status" cause they burn fuel too LMAO. nothing on the planet has received more R&D and pure engineering attention than the combustion engine. we have grown as a species along side the gas engine, its development has been ours. in the search for a better engine more than anything else we have perfected tribology, thermodynamics, fluid flow, heat transfer, machine tolerances, metallurgy, reliability analysis, the list goes on. plz go.
    Lol. Imagine getting this fukking hyped about using fossil fuels while having a quote in your sig from a space ship captain. It's cool that you imagine humanity will be forced to burn fossil fuels forever and won't ever make big jumps forward in how we power our lives, but I think it would be interesting to see what happens if and when there is a breakthrough in how we can store energy that allows a greater shift.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Lol. Imagine getting this fukking hyped about using fossil fuels while having a quote in your sig from a space ship captain. It's cool that you imagine humanity will be forced to burn fossil fuels forever and won't ever make big jumps forward in how we power our lives, but I think it would be interesting to see what happens if and when there is a breakthrough in how we can store energy that allows a greater shift.
    lol imagine being so exited about electric motors, like they haven't been around for ages . lol @ getting exited about lithium batteries, like they haven't been around for a long time either.
    not exactly as big of a jump as you electric fanboys think.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Lol. Imagine getting this fukking hyped about using fossil fuels while having a quote in your sig from a space ship captain. It's cool that you imagine humanity will be forced to burn fossil fuels forever and won't ever make big jumps forward in how we power our lives, but I think it would be interesting to see what happens if and when there is a breakthrough in how we can store energy that allows a greater shift.
    lmao

    Imagine being a man, with testicles, getting more excited about phaggoty electric cars than loud, fast V8s

    Have you looked into the environmental impact of the mining and processing required to find the cobalt, lithium etc required to create batteries for these environmentally safe cars?

    I made a chit ton of money riding the cobalt and lithium waves from 2015 to 2017 because of electric phaggots like yourself

    Used it to buy a V8 gas guzzler, and the continued profits to run the thing

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