this is why i'm holding off on a new console

[wasp9166]

https://www.gamesradar.com/elder-scr...box-exclusive/

see how this bs sorts out


greedy companies continue to screw gamers in new ways

[Visel]

https://www.gamesradar.com/elder-scr...box-exclusive/

see how this bs sorts out


greedy companies continue to screw gamers in new ways

Sony won't buy into Microsoft's vision of "synchronous gaming on any platform mutually shared together". Instead they hold onto their exclusives, and whenever Xbox vs PlayStation discussions have occurred since as long as I can remember, PlayStation is always the one where people say "but the exclusives." Microsoft gave Sony an entire generation (2013-2020) to adopt or work with them for an ecosystem that enables any gamer to play on any sufficient hardware and play together. Be it phone/tablet/PC/Xbox/PlayStation. Now Microsoft is fighting fire with fire taking away previously compatible games to give their own ecosystem the advantage.

I think Sony is just as much to blame as is Microsoft.

[dcbone30]

Sony won't buy into Microsoft's vision of "synchronous gaming on any platform mutually shared together". Instead they hold onto their exclusives, and whenever Xbox vs PlayStation discussions have occurred since as long as I can remember, PlayStation is always the one where people say "but the exclusives." Microsoft gave Sony an entire generation (2013-2020) to adopt or work with them for an ecosystem that enables any gamer to play on any sufficient hardware and play together. Be it phone/tablet/PC/Xbox/PlayStation. Now Microsoft is fighting fire with fire taking away previously compatible games to give their own ecosystem the advantage.

I think Sony is just as much to blame as is Microsoft.

Completely agree here. I just think back to like rocket league and minecraft, sony held out as long as possible to exclude cross platform play, minecraft I think being barely a year ago or less. It's coming back to bite them.

[bartosh]

Sony won't buy into Microsoft's vision of "synchronous gaming on any platform mutually shared together". Instead they hold onto their exclusives, and whenever Xbox vs PlayStation discussions have occurred since as long as I can remember, PlayStation is always the one where people say "but the exclusives." Microsoft gave Sony an entire generation (2013-2020) to adopt or work with them for an ecosystem that enables any gamer to play on any sufficient hardware and play together. Be it phone/tablet/PC/Xbox/PlayStation. Now Microsoft is fighting fire with fire taking away previously compatible games to give their own ecosystem the advantage.

I think Sony is just as much to blame as is Microsoft.

Nah it’s not as easy as that. In the previous generation, ps3 was all about encouraging cross play and Xbox 360 was all about “we have the dominant market share, cross play is stupid”. The tables turn, ps4 kills it, and all of a sudden Microsoft wants cross play?

Funny how that works isn’t it

[Visel]

Completely agree here. I just think back to like rocket league and minecraft, sony held out as long as possible to exclude cross platform play, minecraft I think being barely a year ago or less. It's coming back to bite them.

Sony fanboys will be like "Phark Microsoft for taking away some of our games and being money grubbing large-corporation dinks".

Microsoft fanboys will be like "Finally give us extra reasons to have your console beyond the nostalgia/familiarity/Halo + Gears".

PC gamers will be like "We're largely unaffected, but any 'Microsoft exclusive' will be on PC. Not every 'Sony exclusive' will be on PC. So technically means more games for us too potentially."

[Visel]

Nah it’s not as easy as that. In the previous generation, ps3 was all about encouraging cross play and Xbox 360 was all about “we have the dominant market share, cross play is stupid”. The tables turn, ps4 kills it, and all of a sudden Microsoft wants cross play?

Funny how that works isn’t it

Hold the phone. Never even heard this, but I was in early high school at the time I think.

https://kotaku.com/i-saw-the-playsta...mpression=true

As cool as this sneak peek was, Trion can't let the finished Xbox 360 game connect to the PS3. "Microsoft won't let Sony players play against them," Rodberg said, before suggesting we change the topic to something less sensitive. Presumably the barrier is a corporate and/or technical incompatibility between the Xbox 360's Xbox Live and Sony's PS3/PSP PlayStation Network. Those services are separate enough that people who play, say, Call of Duty on one, can't play that game against owners of the other, rival console.


I checked with Microsoft to be sure Rodberg wasn't maybe just mis-hearing them. Maybe Microsoft wanted to break the barrier too? Here's a Microsoft spokesperson saying "no," while promoting how awesome the Xbox 360's online service is: "Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

[CheekyPhaggot]

Hold the phone. Never even heard this, but I was in early high school at the time I think.

https://kotaku.com/i-saw-the-playsta...mpression=true

this is interesting

[cncman]

Sony is in fact to blame

and I play ps4/pc

[ohiostate124]

Competition is a good thing. If you want all games available on any console, just get them to come together and make one console. Different consoles would make no sense. Until then, I’m fine with exclusives.

[Fred87nc]

https://www.gamesradar.com/elder-scr...box-exclusive/

see how this bs sorts out


greedy companies continue to screw gamers in new ways

So youre upset that xbox got an exclusive? How is this new? I will get it on PC anyways but I dont blame xbox for acquiring exclusives, if skyrim was only going to be on xbox , it would be te reason I buy one for the first time.

[VTheKing]

Microsoft didn't dump billions in cash on Bethesda for nothing.

[mgftp]

MS is definitely doing some sort of exclusivity with Bathesda games. If they don't they are straight up retarded. I mean even if they just said free on GamePass, 70$ on Playstation, it's enticing for people who want to play those games. If I am MS I bring those games to Playstation 1 year later and at a full $70.

[BraneyGumble]

Sony won't buy into Microsoft's vision of "synchronous gaming on any platform mutually shared together". Instead they hold onto their exclusives, and whenever Xbox vs PlayStation discussions have occurred since as long as I can remember, PlayStation is always the one where people say "but the exclusives." Microsoft gave Sony an entire generation (2013-2020) to adopt or work with them for an ecosystem that enables any gamer to play on any sufficient hardware and play together. Be it phone/tablet/PC/Xbox/PlayStation. Now Microsoft is fighting fire with fire taking away previously compatible games to give their own ecosystem the advantage.

I think Sony is just as much to blame as is Microsoft.

Bullchit.


MS repeatedly fuked up ever since they came up with Kinect and perma online DRM when they introduced the XBox One and they have also failed to grab/develop any worthwhile exclusives besides endless Halo/GoW sequels.


Now don't get me wrong, Sony also fuked up with all the data leaks and whatnot, but - concerning their massive Japanese market - they really have no incentive to kowtow to MS's "vision" when they have around a dozen of exclusive IPs that are making bank. Last but not least TES6 is years away, and they will actually have to take Starfield if they ever hope to sell it.

[BigElephant]

Sony won't buy into Microsoft's vision of "synchronous gaming on any platform mutually shared together". Instead they hold onto their exclusives, and whenever Xbox vs PlayStation discussions have occurred since as long as I can remember, PlayStation is always the one where people say "but the exclusives." Microsoft gave Sony an entire generation (2013-2020) to adopt or work with them for an ecosystem that enables any gamer to play on any sufficient hardware and play together. Be it phone/tablet/PC/Xbox/PlayStation. Now Microsoft is fighting fire with fire taking away previously compatible games to give their own ecosystem the advantage.

I think Sony is just as much to blame as is Microsoft.

Agreed. Sony killed it with the PS4 reveal and release, and the XB1 was one of the worst reveal/releases I've ever seen. Since then though XB1 has been more pro consumer and has improved drastically and probably the better console for this gen. This is a big part of why I'm switching back to Xbox for next gen.

As for exclusives they just **** over the consumer. Sony's holding out and wanting to strongarm and shove a dick up the consumer's ass with their exclusives and MS is just responding in kind.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

One thing I don't really understand about exclusives: I know the idea is to make you want their consoles, but wouldn't they make more $ in the long run by just letting everyone buy the games, no matter the console? To my understanding, games are way more profitable than the actual sale of the consoles are anyway.

[Motiviert]

As a sony fanboy, I say sony is to blame. Srs.

[DASBUNKER]

I had some fun with Skyrim but don't really care about any of their other games, Avowed looked interesting but that's about it. As long as FromSoftware and CDPR games are multiplat I'm fine, I mostly play sony exclusives.

It would be funny if their games end up only being timed exclusives, the money from sales on Playstation would probably exceed people getting an xbox console just to play bethesda games. After all a lot of xbox user base are kids whose parents pay for their games, they only care about COD, halo, forkknife, minecraft etc

[tornister]

wouldn't play it on console anyway due to mods on PC

[JayJ350]

How is that screwing anyone? This is something that has been happening since the first console war started. Sony bought up all kinds of studios, you are just being butthurt because Microsoft bought Bethesda.

[JayJ350]

As a sony fanboy, I say sony is to blame. Srs.

Seriously. Sony fanboys to this day cling to exclusives as their bragging rights, and now they are crying a river because something they like is exclusive to a different platform. Well I have the world's smallest violin to play for them. You know if Sony bought Bethesda and did this they would be celebrating it, but now they are all like "they can't do that reeee," it's just pathetic.

[rocketfish]

PC Master race checking in..

wait a minute

sony fanboys gloat about exclusive games that xbox does not have.. and a reason to own a sony console over the microsoft console..

xbox has exclusive games (just like sony) that won't go on sony consoles and now sony fanboys are crying?


but why cry ?

New Flash nubs, nintendo also has exclusives that aren't on microsoft or sony. you going to "reeee" about that too

PC master race checking out

[Alie865656]

ps5 is just a generic PC that can only play video games that don't look any better than on PC

[JStrez]

Been an Xboxcel since 2001. This generation it just feels like the Xbox is the better console and company this time around. A lot of my friends were going to stick with the PS5 this time last year. However, last night we were talking in a Modern Warfare chat, and all of them came out and said that they are getting the Series X now. They said that the reasons they are switching are for the GamePass, the Microsoft acquisitions, and the fact that Sony seems kind of lame with their rules and exclusives. They said they feel more comfortable going with Xbox even though PS5 has some solid games. I still say that PS5 outsells the Xbox at launch, but over the console generation I think Xbox will "win".

[bongowongo]

What made me lol the most was that apparently Sony was in talks of getting timed exclsuivity rights to Starfield after they paid for timed exclusivity of Deathloop and then Microsoft just bought the entire fukkin parent company lmao.

[Kabamaro]

PC gamers will just get PS5 and get best of both worlds

Lol @ Xbox

[Visel]

completely forgot about starfield. excite about 2021

More like 2022/2023 :/.

Xbox has announced plans to continue supporting Xbox One for 2-3 years after the Series X launches in November. Starfield would be the perfect title to bookend that transitionary period with a late 2022 to mid-2023 release date. This estimate was further cemented by Bethesda's Marketing VP Pete Hines in February 2020. Hines, in response to someone demanding new Elder Scrolls 6 information on Twitter, said, "It’s [Elder Scrolls 6] after Starfield, which you pretty much know nothing about. So if you’re coming at me for details now and not years from now, I’m failing to properly manage your expectations."

Clearly, Elder Scrolls will come after Starfield, and it's years away. This would place a Starfield release in 2022 at the earliest.

https://www.inverse.com/gaming/starf...ebruary%202020.

[wasp9166]

xbox series x2 and ps6 should be nearly out by the time it launches anyway.

lol

[rectifryer]

ps5 is just a generic PC that can only play video games that don't look any better than on PC

Not quite. Consoles have an advantage in that the dram is not duplicated and is directly shared by the apu. It's technically a superior design, srs. No trolling. Consoles are very economical because you're not stuffing 32gb of ddr4 to mirror the 10-20gb of ddr6 on the card all into the system. I don't know if you noticed, but dram is like 40% of the cost of these cards.

Not to mention the actual power draw advantage of having a single apu instead of discrete. It keeps temps down a little bit.

Considering these items, we should be getting more than we do from consoles. They have distinct, specialized hardware architectures that make them nearly half cost of equivalent pcs, yet they're somehow nowhere near that economical after just a year on the shelf.

Are pcs still better? Yeah but they shouldn't be. Consoles are purpose built.

[Visel]

Not quite. Consoles have an advantage in that the dram is not duplicated and is directly shared by the apu. It's technically a superior design, srs. No trolling. Consoles are very economical because you're not stuffing 32gb of ddr4 to mirror the 10-20gb of ddr6 on the card all into the system. I don't know if you noticed, but dram is like 40% of the cost of these cards.

Not to mention the actual power draw advantage of having a single apu instead of discrete. It keeps temps down a little bit.

Considering these items, we should be getting more than we do from consoles. They have distinct, specialized hardware architectures that make them nearly half cost of equivalent pcs, yet they're somehow nowhere near that economical after just a year on the shelf.

Are pcs still better? Yeah but they shouldn't be. Consoles are purpose built.

Well said.

If Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo moved on to making premium gaming machines ($1k+ market with bleeding edge tech) on top of catering to the lower market as they are doing and have been doing for years, a lot of people would start cheaping out on their PC rigs and even consider switching over (especially if they endorsed things like keyboard compatibility and cross-device implementations). This would be further improved if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo landed deals with AMD/NVIDIA/Intel/Samsung/Corsair to get exclusive customized gaming specific hardware from current/next-gen tech.

We got a taste of the above for a while in 2020, when the Xbox Series X + PS5 specs were announced almost a year before NVIDIA's RTX 30 and AMD's Zen 3 / Big Navi were announced. At that exact time, the Series X + PS5 looked to rival the highest end graphics cards and storage devices in PC builds. Fast forward 10 months and NVIDIA RTX 30 launched, 2 more months after that and AMD's Zen 3/Big Navi shall launch, along with finally the Series X + PS5 finally launching alongside that. Imagine if the consoles came out last year, they'd hold the mantle of price/performance all of this time it took for RTX 30 / Zen 3 / Big Navi / PCI4 to launch on PC.

The only downside to gaming consoles with a wide variety of markets/audiences (low end, mid end, high end), like a PC, is that gaming developers would have to be able to ensure all target audiences are catered for, and that everything is compatible. This would slow down a lot of game development processes, or even require that some consoles are left out of certain games, or may not be properly optimized.

[mgftp]

^ I am dying for a $1k console. Hoping things like the X1X and PS4Pro were just the beginning of upgraded units.