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    Smile Should I stop cutting

    Hey guys soo I’m more than 6 weeks in my cut and had a goal of reaching 78-79 kgs.. my height is 6,1 and weight is 82 kgs as of today I feel like I don’t have enough muscle to support a cut and should go for a lean bulk or should I keep chasing my target weight drop down to around 10-11% and start lean bulking from there would love some inputs and advice... I just uploaded new pictures today in my bodyspace...
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    you can keep cutting if you want imo
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    The idea that you have "too little muscle to cut" is basically saying that you won't reach a happy endpoint just by cutting. It doesn't mean that you can't lose fat - just that you will still have the work to gain muscle to do when you've finished cutting.

    Generally speaking, if you aren't taking your top off, you look better in clothes if you don't get too skinny and prioritise muscle gain over fat loss. At some point you have to do both regardless...
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    If you don't have much muscle, you will end up looking skinny. Its up to you actually, I would suggest cutting down to 13-15% where it is a maintainable body fat percentage and then start slowly lean bulk then for like 5-10kgs and then go for a cut and you will be more jacked!
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    Originally Posted by sethiayush12 View Post
    Hey guys soo I’m more than 6 weeks in my cut and had a goal of reaching 78-79 kgs.. my height is 6,1 and weight is 82 kgs as of today I feel like I don’t have enough muscle to support a cut and should go for a lean bulk or should I keep chasing my target weight drop down to around 10-11% and start lean bulking from there would love some inputs and advice... I just uploaded new pictures today in my bodyspace...
    Exactly what I said to you in the bodyfat thread. I stand by the assessment that you need more muscle and since thats the longest and most time consuming part of the journey you might as well get to it now.
    All it takes is consistency, effort, proper nutrition, good programming, and TIME.
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    Thank everyone for the advice with winters approaching I’ll slowly transition to lean bulk as my calories are low rn don’t wanna increase them suddenly... a 200 calorie surplus is a good amount for a lean bulk?
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    Originally Posted by sethiayush12 View Post
    Thank everyone for the advice with winters approaching I’ll slowly transition to lean bulk as my calories are low rn don’t wanna increase them suddenly... a 200 calorie surplus is a good amount for a lean bulk?
    200-300 is ideal.
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    Sorry to bump the thread again but

    Can someone please help me and guess my body fat with the pictures in my body space I have mentioned this before but I’m 6,1 82kgs
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    Originally Posted by sethiayush12 View Post
    Can someone please help me and guess my body fat with the pictures in my body space I have mentioned this before but I’m 6,1 82kgs
    Thanks In advance 😇
    Close to 20%... but could be high teen. Extra skin makes it a bit harder to tell.
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    Body fat percentage is just a number; I wouldn't read too much into it. Go by the mirror.
    Calories In, Calories Out.
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    Close to 20%... but could be high teen. Extra skin makes it a bit harder to tell.
    No offence but I kinda disagree with the estimate someone in the fat loss thread gave me an estimate of around 14-15% which seems more likely to me but tbh lighting can make a huge difference... but if I was 20% I wouldn’t have the 3 abs I have now plus the vascularity makes me think I’m a bit lower than your estimate anyways thank you so much for your input
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    Originally Posted by gomil View Post
    Body fat percentage is just a number; I wouldn't read too much into it. Go by the mirror.
    Yeah I agree just wanted to get a rough estimate to decide on what to do next
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    I don't understand that too well. If your aim is to gain muscles, what's the point of cutting to 10% or so? If you have some fat now, it's best to train hard and convert them into muscles. If you think you don't have enough muscles to cut, then what purpose would it serve reducing and gaining again? You should have actually started bulk cutting 6 weeks back with intense weights, optimum cardio, and a goal specific diet.
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    Originally Posted by TonyChadd View Post
    I don't understand that too well. If your aim is to gain muscles, what's the point of cutting to 10% or so? If you have some fat now, it's best to train hard and convert them into muscles. If you think you don't have enough muscles to cut, then what purpose would it serve reducing and gaining again? You should have actually started bulk cutting 6 weeks back with intense weights, optimum cardio, and a goal specific diet.
    The only reason I wanna cut down to a lower body fat percentage is because when I’m lean bulking is not always muscle gains there is fat gain as well and being at 14% if I gain muscle and around 5% of fat I’m gonna be around 19% and mentally and physically it is better for me if I’m around 15%... that’s the only reason I was thinking of cutting down a bit more to
    1- not have a long cut in the future
    2- to be in a better physical and mental state
    3- and being lean it’s easier for my body to gain muscle and gain strength
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    Originally Posted by sethiayush12 View Post
    No offence but I kinda disagree with the estimate someone in the fat loss thread gave me an estimate of around 14-15% which seems more likely to me but tbh lighting can make a huge difference... but if I was 20% I wouldn’t have the 3 abs I have now plus the vascularity makes me think I’m a bit lower than your estimate anyways thank you so much for your input
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    You aren't "20%".

    More like 15%ish due to the low level of developed muscle and lower abdominal fat stores. Losing 7-8 more pounds should get you close to the 12% BF range where most people recommend as a good starting point for a lean bulk.
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    Smile Thank you soo much

    Originally Posted by Luclin999 View Post
    Ignore AdamWW

    You aren't "20%".

    More like 15%ish due to the low level of developed muscle and lower abdominal fat stores. Losing 7-8 more pounds should get you close to the 12% BF range where most people recommend as a good starting point for a lean bulk.
    Thank you so much... I know I have to build muscle. Your reply was perfect and all I needed to hear thank you for the advice I was demotivated because of that comment but thank you.. you made my day repped
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    Originally Posted by Luclin999 View Post
    Ignore AdamWW

    You aren't "20%".

    More like 15%ish due to the low level of developed muscle and lower abdominal fat stores. Losing 7-8 more pounds should get you close to the 12% BF range where most people recommend as a good starting point for a lean bulk.
    LOL... yeah... let's IGNORE his belly fat... WHAT??

    You literally just said, 'no no... he's 15% because you have to subtract the fat ON HIS STOMACH'???

    Guess what then, i'm 0% bodyfat because you have to ignore the bodyfat on my ass, my legs, my stomach, around my organs... it's just all this fat tricking you into thinking I'm not 0%... but really I am.

    Ignore Luclin999


    Hes flatout wrong.

    For most people, at 15%, you'll have basically ALL 6 prominent ab muscles visible

    10%, and you'll ALWAYS have a 6-pack, likely with deep separation and some veins in your lower abs, etc.

    20%, you can BARELY see abs at all...

    Tell me, OP, can you see ALL your abs? Because I can't see them.



    And ALSO... I said "CLOSE TO 20%"... that could be 18%... 19%... etc
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    LOL... yeah... let's IGNORE his belly fat... WHAT??

    You literally just said, 'no no... he's 15% because you have to subtract the fat ON HIS STOMACH'???
    No, I said literally the opposite. IE. he would actually be at a lower BF percentage is it weren't for the stores of lower abdominal fat.


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    Originally Posted by Luclin999 View Post
    No, I said literally the opposite. IE. he would actually be at a lower BF percentage is it weren't for the stores of lower abdominal fat.


    And as for you..

    You have issues.
    That makes zero sense whatsoever...

    You just said the same thing again: he’d be at a lower BF if he had less bodyfat.

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    LOL... yeah... let's IGNORE his belly fat... WHAT??

    You literally just said, 'no no... he's 15% because you have to subtract the fat ON HIS STOMACH'???

    Guess what then, i'm 0% bodyfat because you have to ignore the bodyfat on my ass, my legs, my stomach, around my organs... it's just all this fat tricking you into thinking I'm not 0%... but really I am.

    Ignore Luclin999


    Hes flatout wrong.

    For most people, at 15%, you'll have basically ALL 6 prominent ab muscles visible

    10%, and you'll ALWAYS have a 6-pack, likely with deep separation and some veins in your lower abs, etc.

    20%, you can BARELY see abs at all...

    Tell me, OP, can you see ALL your abs? Because I can't see them.



    And ALSO... I said "CLOSE TO 20%"... that could be 18%... 19%... etc
    Being at 15% does not guarantee a 6 pack first of all and u usually get a 6 pack at around 12% body fat... other than this people store fat in different areas of the body for me it’s predominantly my stomach if you see a picture of my back on my body space u will see how lean it is compared to my stomach as well as my arms I can see striations in my deltoids... 20% seems too high of an estimate... if you don’t agree with me I’ll link you to a video which explains correctly different body fat percentages... Acc to that video I fall in the 13-15% range... I cannot link the video because of less posts but if you search vitruvian physique body fat the first video that pops up will give you my point of view
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    Originally Posted by sethiayush12 View Post
    Being at 15% does not guarantee a 6 pack first of all and u usually get a 6 pack at around 12% body fat... other than this people store fat in different areas of the body for me it’s predominantly my stomach if you see a picture of my back on my body space u will see how lean it is compared to my stomach as well as my arms I can see striations in my deltoids... 20% seems too high of an estimate... if you don’t agree with me I’ll link you to a video which explains correctly different body fat percentages... Acc to that video I fall in the 13-15% range... I cannot link the video because of less posts but if you search vitruvian physique body fat the first video that pops up will give you my point of view
    incorrect on every level... but believe what you want. I don't care.

    I've seen his videos plenty of times. This isn't my first rodeo dude.

    And again, i didn't say YOU'RE 20%...

    I said CLOSE TO 20% (17-20%).


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    i'd say you're around 16-18%, the pics where your abs show well are ones where you pull your skin down

    that pulling thing alone can make me go from 15% to 12-13% so it really throws estimates off
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    Originally Posted by faithbrah View Post
    i'd say you're around 16-18%, the pics where your abs show well are ones where you pull your skin down

    that pulling thing alone can make me go from 15% to 12-13% so it really throws estimates off
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    Thank you everyone for your inputs didn’t expect people to fight in the forum... but none the less main motive remains the same to cut a bit of fat and start a lean bulking phase... once again thank you everyone
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    Originally Posted by sethiayush12 View Post
    Thank you everyone for your inputs didn’t expect people to fight in the forum... but none the less main motive remains the same to cut a bit of fat and start a lean bulking phase... once again thank you everyone
    Bear in mind, I NEVER said you don't look good.

    You have clear muscle development, you're building solid chest and arm shape, etc...

    Being a super low BF =/= BETTER or WORSE... plenty of people who are in the high teen's, etc, still look really good.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    LOL... yeah... let's IGNORE his belly fat... WHAT??

    You literally just said, 'no no... he's 15% because you have to subtract the fat ON HIS STOMACH'???

    Guess what then, i'm 0% bodyfat because you have to ignore the bodyfat on my ass, my legs, my stomach, around my organs... it's just all this fat tricking you into thinking I'm not 0%... but really I am.

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    Hes flatout wrong.

    For most people, at 15%, you'll have basically ALL 6 prominent ab muscles visible

    10%, and you'll ALWAYS have a 6-pack, likely with deep separation and some veins in your lower abs, etc.

    20%, you can BARELY see abs at all...

    Tell me, OP, can you see ALL your abs? Because I can't see them.



    And ALSO... I said "CLOSE TO 20%"... that could be 18%... 19%... etc
    I would guess OP to be around 14% based on the bodyspace pics. Oddly he's about the same height and weight as me, but leaner and with less muscle - perhaps I have a light skeleton?!

    Fat distribution and ab development are too variable to use the appearance of abs as a reliable indicator of body fat percentage. I'm a prime example - my core is underdeveloped compared to the rest of my physique, plus I store fat on my belly. I need to get down to about 15% in order to faintly see my abs while flexing in good lighting. At this point I have visible ribs and you can see striations in my pecs and delts because I store very little fat there.

    Seriously, 20% is at the upper limit of a healthy body fat percentage - OP is not close to that IMO, he's lean and should focus on building muscle.
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    Originally Posted by RapidFail View Post
    I would guess OP to be around 14% based on the bodyspace pics. Oddly he's about the same height and weight as me, but leaner and with less muscle - perhaps I have a light skeleton?!

    Fat distribution and ab development are too variable to use the appearance of abs as a reliable indicator of body fat percentage. I'm a prime example - my core is underdeveloped compared to the rest of my physique, plus I store fat on my belly. I need to get down to about 15% in order to faintly see my abs while flexing in good lighting. At this point I have visible ribs and you can see striations in my pecs and delts because I store very little fat there.

    Seriously, 20% is at the upper limit of a healthy body fat percentage - OP is not close to that IMO, he's lean and should focus on building muscle.
    Well let's break that down..

    If he's 14% at 82kg (181lb)... and the STAGE LEVEL leanness for a natural pro bodybuilder is around 6%... that would make him 165lb based on his current lean mass (using your 14% assumption) to get to that stage-level leanness.

    You're basically saying THIS picture below is only 15-16lb away from being STAGE READY?





    Keep in mind, THIS is 6%






    So, you're saying OP is 15-16lb from that?
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Well let's break that down..

    If he's 14% at 82kg (181lb)... and the STAGE LEVEL leanness for a natural pro bodybuilder is around 6%... that would make him 165lb based on his current lean mass (using your 14% assumption) to get to that stage-level leanness.

    You're basically saying THIS picture below is only 15-16lb away from being STAGE READY?





    Keep in mind, THIS is 6%





    So, you're saying OP is 15-16lb from that?
    The bodyweight is the only confusing factor for me - he looks much lighter. Yes, I think OP would be bodybuilding lean if he were to lose 15lb - but he'd be too skinny due to a lack of lean mass.
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    Originally Posted by RapidFail View Post
    The bodyweight is the only confusing factor for me - he looks much lighter. Yes, I think OP would be bodybuilding lean if he were to lose 15lb - but he'd be too skinny due to a lack of lean mass.
    I guess we just have to disagree on that then... IMO he'd need to be much lighter than that to be any near that lean...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    That makes zero sense whatsoever...

    You just said the same thing again: he’d be at a lower BF if he had less bodyfat.

    Yeah, no shyt...
    Since you can't seem to wrap your head around this...

    OP has all of the indicators of having a lower BF percentage (Vascularity, upper abs showing, Etc.) that would normally be attributed to someone in the 12-13% BF range. The reason why I say that he is nearer to 15% is that he is disproportionately carrying more fat around his midsection. It is that extra, disproportionately distributed fat that put the percentage higher.

    IE. He would be normally considered leaner (based upon all of the other indicators) if it weren't for the stores of lower abdominal fat.

    It's just the way that his body holds onto fat. (Similar to how my body seems to store fat disproportionately on my lower back).

    He is definitely not in the 18-20% range as you seem to think.
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