So after Lebron wins this ring.....

[TaeBoNinja]

It's officially either him or MJ for GOAT.. don't really care which order you put them in but he's top 2

They both are in the same tier and you can pick any one of them as your GOAT and not be wrong


The debate will be over.. the GOAT is MJ or LeBron



If he gets another one next yr tho.......... he's past Jordan

Nope, would have 3 rings and one fake ring. Along with an under .500 Finals record

[Midgetkiller]

I'm a Jordan guy and I still say that repeatedly losing (even getting swept) until Pistons/Celtics got old and Pippen joined is a slip up. You can't objectively say that 6/6 is better than 6/10 or something like that.

You definitely can. I think Lebron's attempts to get chips have been exceptional in itself. But Jordan simply does not have the slipups of the magnitude of 2011 on his resume. His dominance was something else. I don't mind Jordan getting beaten by the Pistons just like I don't mind LeBron losing against a retarded supercharged best regular season of all time/prime Spurs.

But LeBron might still pull up next to MJ for sure.

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[HoustonMiscer]

If lebron wins inwill reenact lebron meme of your choosing op

[BigDeeps01]

You definitely can. I think Lebron's attempts to get chips have been exceptional in itself. But Jordan simply does not have the slipups of the magnitude of 2011 on his resume. His dominance was something else. I don't mind Jordan getting beaten by the Pistons just like I don't mind LeBron losing against a retarded supercharged best regular season of all time/prime Spurs.

But LeBron might still pull up next to MJ for sure.

Why is it ok that Jordan didn't get his team to the Finals in those years they lost to the Pistons tho? Isn't that EVEN WORSE than getting to the finals and losing?

Jordan didn't make the Finals for the first 7 years of his career, nor the last couple, that isn't worse to you?

[Midgetkiller]

Why is it ok that Jordan didn't get his team to the Finals in those years they lost to the Pistons tho? Isn't that EVEN WORSE than getting to the finals and losing?

Jordan didn't make the Finals for the first 7 years of his career, nor the last couple, that isn't worse to you?

Those Pistons were awesome. And I am not saying getting to the finals and losing is worse or better. But it's is worse if you get there and lose in THAT way.

[nikonD70s]

Pretty sure its worse to get to the finals and get swept. Shows how weak the conference is. In terms of goats, lebron has had the easiest path to the finals. Weak conference, stacked teams, weak era.

[BigElephant]

Lol @this gyno titted nut hugger. LeBitch needed daddy Wade to teach him how to win, and now he is riding AD's coat tail. Lol@anyone who put him in top 5. It is okay to admit he's top 20 talent with IQ of a middle school student.

Actual IQ? Maybe. Lebron has one of the highest basketball IQs all time though.

Lmao Magic snd Kareem played WITH each other and they apparently get equal credit together in all time rankings... sometimes this chit is wild to read opinions on things by people who literally look at ring count AND THATS IT

btw wheres Russell in your ranking

Never said I base everything on ring count. I take into account titles, performance in playoffs/finals, impact, ability on court, and legacy. Russell is 9 or 10.

[BigDeeps01]

Those Pistons were awesome. And I am not saying getting to the finals and losing is worse or better. But it's is worse if you get there and lose in THAT way.

Sure they were a good team but why wasn't Jordan able to carry his team to the finals?

I'm just not agreeing with this logic

[BigDeeps01]

Pretty sure its worse to get to the finals and get swept. Shows how weak the conference is. In terms of goats, lebron has had the easiest path to the finals. Weak conference, stacked teams, weak era.

You are saying this era that Lebron has been playing in is worse than when Jordan won his rings

I'm done lmao

[xbluexhawkx]

Wait wait wait

You're telling me, LeBron James along with Anthony Davis, beat the sub .500 Trailblazers, Russell Westbrick and the Rockets who are known to be playoff failures, and the Denver Nuggets who were the youngest team in contention, and people don't think he's the GOAT?

no team above a 4.0 srs????

LeBron is just the best ever, he beat the Miami Heat(!) without 2 of their starters

LBJ>MJ, MJ could never accomplish such a feat

[YoungMetro24]

Nope, would have 3 rings and one fake ring. Along with an under .500 Finals record

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[YoungMetro24]

Pretty sure its worse to get to the finals and get swept. Shows how weak the conference is. In terms of goats, lebron has had the easiest path to the finals. Weak conference, stacked teams, weak era.

This post is saying Jimmy Butler would’ve been better off getting knocked out by the Bucks.


Low IQ babble as usual from you.

[SmashinYoungVag]

Actual IQ? Maybe. Lebron has one of the highest basketball IQs all time though.
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People actually believe this? The guy is retarded. There’s a reason superstars don’t make great coaches. Their IQs for the game are often exaggerated due to their skill and athleticism.

[Dutch24]

Why is it ok that Jordan didn't get his team to the Finals in those years they lost to the Pistons tho? Isn't that EVEN WORSE than getting to the finals and losing?

Jordan didn't make the Finals for the first 7 years of his career, nor the last couple, that isn't worse to you?

You are confused.

Jordan fought and finally ascended to the throne in the East. He stayed in Chicago, went to battle and had sensational individual numbers. He was already widely considered the best individual talent in the league at that point but the black mark was the ring.

Post 1988/89, it became clear he couldn't do it all himself and started becoming more of a team player. The Bulls finally adjusted to the unbelievably aggressive D played by the Piston and they beat them.

The Bulls grew as a team over that period.

MJ didn't run and join the Celtics, Lakers, Pistons etc. He stayed in Chicago and won his ring there with a team he worked with over the last 4 years. Everyone worked to improve.

If Lebron had stayed with Cleveland and taken them to the finals, well than fair play, it would be comparable.

But Lebron ran to Miami and joined Chris Bosh and Dwanye Wade, for his first finals appearance.

That would have been like MJ running and joining Magic in LA or Bird at Boston or Isiah in Detroit.

Its laughable to put Lebron anywhere near MJ.

[Dutch24]

You are saying this era that Lebron has been playing in is worse than when Jordan won his rings

I'm done lmao

You do understand that the actual way that D is played is infinitely worse.....if you watched games than the aggressive D is incomparable to the soft throw up 3s you see now.

I agree talent now is phenomenal, but so what? If all number are artificially inflated, and no one can play hard D, then its comparable to someone punching a punch bag. As Tyson or someone said, everyone looks good on a punch bag, until they are punched in the face.

No one is being punched in the face now in the NBA.

[mandarino]

Issue is that Bron couldnt dominate. He didnt meet Kobe in the finals, lost to Dirk, lost to Boston, and went 1-1 vs Spurs.

Then he went full split vs the current crop of KD, Steph, Kawhi with 2-3 rings a piece.

Only now will he go above with his current chip.

Its not a numbers game only, but he failed to dominate which automatically cancels his goat claim. #2 for me atm

[jimmyjabbar]

You are confused.

Jordan fought and finally ascended to the throne in the East. He stayed in Chicago, went to battle and had sensational individual numbers. He was already widely considered the best individual talent in the league at that point but the black mark was the ring.

Post 1988/89, it became clear he couldn't do it all himself and started becoming more of a team player. The Bulls finally adjusted to the unbelievably aggressive D played by the Piston and they beat them.

The Bulls grew as a team over that period.

MJ didn't run and join the Celtics, Lakers, Pistons etc. He stayed in Chicago and won his ring there with a team he worked with over the last 4 years. Everyone worked to improve.

If Lebron had stayed with Cleveland and taken them to the finals, well than fair play, it would be comparable.

But Lebron ran to Miami and joined Chris Bosh and Dwanye Wade, for his first finals appearance.

That would have been like MJ running and joining Magic in LA or Bird at Boston or Isiah in Detroit.

Its laughable to put Lebron anywhere near MJ.

Jordan's front office got him one of the best players in the league. They built on that and got 1 of the best international players, got a DPOY guy in Rodman for basically free and got amazing vets like Ron Harper for cheap af. They did that; should Lebron have rolled the dice and stayed on a team who's crowning achievement in his first 7 years was getting him Mo freakin Williams? lol

Jordan was lucky that his team gave him everything he needed. He played with the best wing player of his generation, probably the best guy to matchup with him was on his team all those years. What was his biggest competition in the playoffs among wings? Reggie Miller? Gary Payton? lmao

[SmashinYoungVag]

Jordan's front office got him one of the best players in the league. They built on that and got 1 of the best international players, got a DPOY guy in Rodman for basically free and got amazing vets like Ron Harper for cheap af. They did that; should Lebron have rolled the dice and stayed on a team who's crowning achievement in his first 7 years was getting him Mo freakin Williams? lol

Jordan was lucky that his team gave him everything he needed. He played with the best wing player of his generation, probably the best guy to matchup with him was on his team all those years. What was his biggest competition in the playoffs among wings? Reggie Miller? Gary Payton? lmao

Jordan didn’t need as much as Lebron though. He didn’t need the 3rd best SG ever and the best Pf at the time to get over the hump. He just needed Scottie pippen to not be a complete fukkin pussy.

Lol yes the wing players and ball handlers back then weren’t as dominant as now. The rules have changed. Which makes it even more impressive that Jordan dominated when the rules favored guys like Hakeem, Patrick. Shaq, dikembe, Robinson

[nikonD70s]

This post is saying Jimmy Butler would’ve been better off getting knocked out by the Bucks.


Low IQ babble as usual from you.

Typical respond from an incel. Keep trying

You are saying this era that Lebron has been playing in is worse than when Jordan won his rings

I'm done lmao

U must just started watching the NBA with a post like this just

[jimmyjabbar]

Jordan didn’t need as much as Lebron though. He didn’t need the 3rd best SG ever and the best Pf at the time to get over the hump. He just needed Scottie pippen to not be a complete fukkin pussy.

Lol yes the wing players and ball handlers back then weren’t as dominant as now. The rules have changed. Which makes it even more impressive that Jordan dominated when the rules favored guys like Hakeem, Patrick. Shaq, dikembe, Robinson

eh, that's like saying all Lebron has is AD now. It's still the best sidekick in the league by far. Who was Scotties competition as far as 2nd best players go? Stockton? Starks on the Knicks? Shawn Kemp?

Jordan is the GOAT to me, but people act like his squads werent completely stacked. They were. He always had the best team every time he won; there's a reason they won like 55 games without him when he retired that 1 year.

[SmashinYoungVag]

eh, that's like saying all Lebron has is AD now. It's still the best sidekick in the league by far. Who was Scotties competition as far as 2nd best players go? Stockton? Starks on the Knicks? Shawn Kemp?

Jordan is the GOAT to me, but people act like his squads werent completely stacked. They were. He always had the best team every time he won; there's a reason they won like 55 games without him when he retired that 1 year.

The year they played the suns Scottie was 3rd team all nba. KJ was 3rd team all nba just the year prior. But he didn’t make it that year cause of injuries to start season. But he was averaging close to 20 and 11 in the playoffs.

Let’s not dismiss Stockton either.

You Shawn Kemp was 2nd team all nba in 96. Scottie was 1st. But let’s not act like kemp was a scrub.

Scottie was not head and shoulders above these guys. He was below some of them at points.

[TaeBoNinja]

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GOATbe - 5
Magic - 5
TD - 5

Shaq - 4



Lebron - 3.5

[SmashinYoungVag]

MJ - 6
GOATbe - 5
Magic - 5
TD - 5

Shaq - 4



Lebron - 3.5

Lebron has 2 rings in a full season. The rigors of an 82 game season are too much for him.

[YoungMetro24]

Typical respond from an incel. Keep trying



U must just started watching the NBA with a post like this just

Yikes.

MJ - 6
GOATbe - 5
Magic - 5
TD - 5

Shaq - 4



Lebron - 3.5

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[nvrstopworking]

Pretty sure its worse to get to the finals and get swept. Shows how weak the conference is. In terms of goats, lebron has had the easiest path to the finals. Weak conference, stacked teams, weak era.

Stacked teams? Out of his 10 trips to the Finals he’s been favoured in only 3 or 4 of them.

Weak conference? Look what he did to the WC this year lol... lost a total of 3 playoff games. Meanwhile Giannis and Tatum STILL haven’t won the EC yet.

[BabcocksHair]

bron will never be respected. after he got bent over in 2011. and the pussy sht Miami stuff. he created an era of super teams in which winning rings in general have been devalued because of the GMing from players.

[BigDeeps01]

Stacked teams? Out of his 10 trips to the Finals he’s been favoured in only 3 or 4 of them.

Weak conference? Look what he did to the WC this year lol... lost a total of 3 playoff games. Meanwhile Giannis and Tatum STILL haven’t won the EC yet.

The anti-Lebron crew doesn't like context, just feels

Not to mention you take Jordan off that first Bulls squad and they still make a nice playoff run. You take Lebron off the Cavs and they were the worst team in the league lol

bUt HaNd PiCkEd TeAmS!!

[SmashinYoungVag]

The anti-Lebron crew doesn't like context, just feels

Not to mention you take Jordan off that first Bulls squad and they still make a nice playoff run. You take Lebron off the Cavs and they were the worst team in the league lol

bUt HaNd PiCkEd TeAmS!!

D wade won a fukkin ring with the 2nd leading scorer in the finals being a washed up Antoine Walker

Gtfo

[Woogiefied]

2011 is objectively the only real slight on Lebron's resume and nobody is denying that. If anyone is then he/she is stupid, plain and simple. He was atrocious but it also may have played a big role into shaping him into the player he is today. Look at his other finals losses:

- lost in 2007 to a team with 3 hofers and hof coach while playing with what might be the worst roster to ever make the finals
- lost in 2014 to a team playing literally perfect basketball
- lost in 2015 when his 2nd option was fuking Delly
- lost in 2017 and 2018 to a team that might as well be the best roster ever constructed

Yeah, losses go on a resume but let's be honest, 2011 is the only one where Lebron actually played like chit. Replace him with prime Jordan in those other 5 losses and he still loses.



Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume that Lakers 3peat and it's 6/6 vs 6/12. Which one implies more success?

Just going on simple math, one would be 100% success rate and the other would be 50% success rate.