The internet seems mostly in agreement that DB flys are not good because 1) shoulder injury risk 2) strength curve
#1 should be manageable if you keep some bend in the elbow and use controlled form for higher reps
#2 I get, but even the bench press itself has a strength curve that is hardest at the bottom/lower portion with little effort at the top and nobody complains about that while advocating for only banded/chain bench.
I know arnold was a huge advocate of flys, but it seems modern day views them as an old school, too risky movement and we should be performing cable fly instead.
Just curious if anyone saw notable improvement in their chest mass and/or aesthetic by doing DB flys? If so, what was your programming?
Conversely, anyone 100% against them? Why?
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09-29-2020, 11:34 AM #1
Anyone (with a decent chest) swear by DB chest fly?
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09-29-2020, 11:43 AM #2
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09-29-2020, 11:57 AM #4
Just about the only thing I've ever done routinely for my chest are presses and dips and I like to think mine has developed decently.
I'm actually a little more curious about pullovers than I am about flyes, since it's a unique exercise in that it employs the lats and the pectorals in the same contiguous motion.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
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09-29-2020, 11:58 AM #5
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09-30-2020, 01:53 AM #7
Dumbell flyes are not cable flyes, different exercises.
Hard to say, if you are doing several exercises for a muscle group.
I don't know why someone would be 100% against them or 10% against them. You either do them or not. Do them if you like them, if you feel the muscle, if you want to include them in your routine. If not, don't do them. Simple as that! Too risky? Just like the other exercises, it depends a lot on your form. Deadlifts can be risky. Military press can be risky. Preacher curls can be risky. Any exercise can be risky, even tricep kickback.I like to learn from the mistakes of the people who take my advice.
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09-30-2020, 03:39 AM #8
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10-04-2020, 05:17 AM #9
People talk about them so much because so many old bodybuilders like Arnold gave this message that flys are so good for growth.
Problem with dumbbell flys is that they an extremely inefficient workout. You have to carry less weight to stop the injuries and you get no gains at the bottom or peak of the workout.
It is just peeps getting word out that this workout is terrible for people.
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10-04-2020, 05:41 AM #10
I like to do em on the floor, my shoulders really thank me for it cause it removes possibility of overextending under load. I can use as much weight as I can lift without worry of joint pain, it's great. Personally, if i'm isolating for chest I like around the worlds more, but flyes are a close second. Squeezing exercises are always useful in the right amount, I think.
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10-07-2020, 04:58 AM #11
Just for me personally, I don’t see much reason to isolate pecs as a natty. Bench variations, OHP, dips can build a massive chest. If you’re on gear that’s a different story.
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