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    This has already been tried in Arkansas; they had a blank space on their forms where if you felt you didn't pay enough taxes you could make up the difference....it was an almost 0 number that filled that space in. Nothing is stopping anyone from writing checks and giving more money, people just don't do it.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    Who is recommending higher taxes all around?

    I was referring to the top marginal tax rate. Plenty of benefits of having the super wealthy pay more into the community and nation that enables them to enjoy their massive wealth.
    Fair enough. I guess the dem-left, who invented the "The rich need to pay their fair share," rhetoric, want the public to believe this, when the rich pay the majority of taxes. We are re-hashing what we have debated years ago, but that's ok. I believe that every tax bracket should pay something in taxes, but on a sliding scale. The rich are the ones who offer jobs, philanthropy (some more than others) and already contribute to the economy.

    The dems want a welfare State for the entire country. Just like they have at least tried to control the black community, the Hispanic communities, etc. What for? Just for the vote and control. If you consider this for the future, it will look like a socialistic society, with more poor who are dependent upon the government, much like the out of control crime and violence democrat-run cities.
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    Originally Posted by 5x10 View Post
    I’m 100% sure your wives could spend the money more efficiently than the government and that’s saying something
    they often spend too much money making sure they don't spend too much money in my personal experience
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    Originally Posted by GoldStorm View Post
    This has already been tried in Arkansas; they had a blank space on their forms where if you felt you didn't pay enough taxes you could make up the difference....it was an almost 0 number that filled that space in. Nothing is stopping anyone from writing checks and giving more money, people just don't do it.
    Its like how bernie stopped ranting about making millionaires pay their fair share when he became one
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    Didn't see the "We do already" option on the poll...
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    let's break this down fallacious talking point one at a time.

    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Fair enough. I guess the dem-left, who invented the "The rich need to pay their fair share," rhetoric, want the public to believe this, when the rich pay the majority of taxes.
    Paying a higher sum in dollars does not mean they should get a lower percentage tax rate.

    Example:

    Middle class family (husband and wife both working jobs paying $50,000 a year) makes $100,000 gross and pays estimated taxes (numbers representative, not exact) of $20,000
    They pay 20% in federal income tax and keep 80%


    Upper class family (husband has investment income only) makes $400,000 gross and pays estimated taxes (numbers representative, not exact) of $60,000
    They pay 15% in federal income tax and keep 85%



    the upper class family paid more in dollars, but they got to keep a higher percentage of their income. Please explain the equity in that.





    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    The rich are the ones who offer jobs, philanthropy (some more than others) and already contribute to the economy.
    The rich do not "offer jobs" - the market demand offers jobs. This was proven with the big trump tax cut for his billionaire buddies. Corporations didn't use that extra $$$ to hire more employees, they used it to give executive bonuses and stock buybacks (which are another way to pad exec comp packages).

    The people promoting this idea of the "rich creating jobs" are counting on the people who believe that being too uneducated themselves to know how market economies work. They expect them to be happy with the scraps while the billionaires get the huge portions.




    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    The dems want a welfare State for the entire country.
    Interesting how the states with the highest percentage of population on some form of government assistance are GOP voting red states. It's a common lie that the Dems want a welfare state. In reality, history shows us that major democratic policies have largely been beneficial to the country as a whole.

    For example, look at FDR and the New Deal programs. They build the massive infrastructure that fueled American growth and prosperity for decades. They provided for a national retirement program that has benefitted hundreds of millions.

    If only the GOP would have invested a portion of the trillions they blew up in military bombs and missiles in the last 20 years of failed middle east wars, we would have a tremendous modern infrastructure system instead of the crumbling bridges, roads, and public buildings we have now.





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    If you consider this for the future, it will look like a socialistic society, with more poor who are dependent upon the government, much like the out of control crime and violence democrat-run cities.
    FActs first - more red states, as a percentage of population, are dependent on the government.

    And crime and violence are down (despite what Tucker and Hannity will tell you) in most major cities compared to their 10 year average, and still trending downward.

    You've fallen prey to propaganda. But will you have the self awareness to learn? My money is on "no".
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    Its like how bernie stopped ranting about making millionaires pay their fair share when he became one
    You can go to the treasury department's website and contribute directly to the national debt.

    Personally - if they included an option in your tax return to contribute additional funds directly to a specific project (AFTER you already paid your taxes) like "Additional funds to pay for wall" - I'd probably chip in $20 to some favorite projects.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    the upper class family paid more in dollars, but they got to keep a higher percentage of their income. Please explain the equity in that.
    Why does it have to be "fair"?
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    I feel like anti Trumpers fall into one of three categories here.

    a.) you think he's committed fraud and belongs in prison d/t his taxes, even though we don't have a complete picture
    b.) you are disgusted that the tax code allows him to pay so little, even though we don't have a complete picture
    c.) you realize there is no ethical way to expect him to pay more than the tax code demands, even though we don't have a complete picture

    I'm C, even though I am not necessarily anti-Trump, I'm more anti-Trump policies that I don't like or agree with.
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    obviously nobody should choose to pay more taxes than legally required but lmao at just assuming trump did in fact pay the legally required amount of taxes
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    obviously nobody should choose to pay more taxes than legally required but lmao at just assuming trump did in fact pay the legally required amount of taxes
    It's a bit ironic that Trumpers see fraud hiding behind every mailbox but see the way the Trump Org. is run as just good business.

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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    let's break this down fallacious talking point one at a time.



    Paying a higher sum in dollars does not mean they should get a lower percentage tax rate.

    Example:

    Middle class family (husband and wife both working jobs paying $50,000 a year) makes $100,000 gross and pays estimated taxes (numbers representative, not exact) of $20,000
    They pay 20% in federal income tax and keep 80%


    Upper class family (husband has investment income only) makes $400,000 gross and pays estimated taxes (numbers representative, not exact) of $60,000
    They pay 15% in federal income tax and keep 85%



    the upper class family paid more in dollars, but they got to keep a higher percentage of their income. Please explain the equity in that.






    The rich do not "offer jobs" - the market demand offers jobs. This was proven with the big trump tax cut for his billionaire buddies. Corporations didn't use that extra $$$ to hire more employees, they used it to give executive bonuses and stock buybacks (which are another way to pad exec comp packages).

    The people promoting this idea of the "rich creating jobs" are counting on the people who believe that being too uneducated themselves to know how market economies work. They expect them to be happy with the scraps while the billionaires get the huge portions.






    Interesting how the states with the highest percentage of population on some form of government assistance are GOP voting red states. It's a common lie that the Dems want a welfare state. In reality, history shows us that major democratic policies have largely been beneficial to the country as a whole.

    For example, look at FDR and the New Deal programs. They build the massive infrastructure that fueled American growth and prosperity for decades. They provided for a national retirement program that has benefitted hundreds of millions.

    If only the GOP would have invested a portion of the trillions they blew up in military bombs and missiles in the last 20 years of failed middle east wars, we would have a tremendous modern infrastructure system instead of the crumbling bridges, roads, and public buildings we have now.


    FActs first - more red states, as a percentage of population, are dependent on the government.

    And crime and violence are down (despite what Tucker and Hannity will tell you) in most major cities compared to their 10 year average, and still trending downward.

    You've fallen prey to propaganda. But will you have the self awareness to learn? My money is on "no".
    New York is a blue state. New Jersey is a blue state. California is a blue state. All have revenues in deficit and not just as a result of COVID. It is a result of poor management, i.e. high taxes to name one of mismanagement flaws. It is why people and businesses are leaving these states.

    "The market offers jobs" is a liberal way of saying "You didn't build that." You do not give credit to the innovators and entrepreneurs who build businesses from scratch, risk everything and that may eventually grow enough to be able to hire employees, whether it is 5 or 5000.

    I am not saying that a Biden administration would fail. It is a question as to which candidate will do a better job. This is where we disagree.
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    Why does it have to be "fair"?
    pesky thing called the US Constitution. learn the first few lines.
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    i would pay as i need using readonable deductions, i would not take it to the extent that trump did.
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    New York is a blue state. New Jersey is a blue state. California is a blue state. All have revenues in deficit and not just as a result of COVID. It is a result of poor management, i.e. high taxes to name one of mismanagement flaws. It is why people and businesses are leaving these states.

    "The market offers jobs" is a liberal way of saying "You didn't build that." You do not give credit to the innovators and entrepreneurs who build businesses from scratch, risk everything and that may eventually grow enough to be able to hire employees, whether it is 5 or 5000.

    I am not saying that a Biden administration would fail. It is a question as to which candidate will do a better job. This is where we disagree.

    your statements are full of lies and factual errors.

    the state with the highest debt to GSP (state gross product) is not New York or California or New Jersey - it's Kentucky! https://www.statista.com/statistics/...entage-of-gsp/

    the states with the highest percentage of their population claiming disability (the new welfare) are almost all RED states! https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-us-by-state/

    you talk about population movement - of the 8 states with the highest net negative population growth (most people moving out) - 6 of the 8 are red states: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ates/38918791/




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    pesky thing called the US Constitution. learn the first few lines.
    I think you're confusing the preamble with the document itself there champ
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    I wonder who here would be OK if California cranked up taxes just to give illegals welfare money just like they did during COVID.

    If I knew where exactly my money was going AND I could choose where it goes, I would gladly pay more taxes.

    I'm not expecting my money to go to projects I want just because I pay more money. As an example, CA with it's already high taxes, refuses to expand high traffic freeways from 2 lanes to 3 lanes. This would get rid of a lot of congestion from 9AM - 5AM on the freeway, but guess what they do, they piss away the money and expand an already low traffic 2 way to a 3 way lane.

    Nobody should be paying more taxes. If govt was more transparent, everyone would realize how badly they manage their money. It just disappears.
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    Can we get this straight once and for all? So sick and tired of this (again) false narrative being spun.

    Trump in 2016 and 2017 asked for extensions on his taxes. Both times that he did, he sent in I believe $1 million in 2016 AND $4.2 million in 2017. So he paid that ahead of time. As it turns out, he only owed a combined $1500 for the two years. That is legal and using the tax breaks afforded everyone....completely legit. As a result, Trump is now OWED $5.2 Million. He then told the IRS to keep the money and use it for years he will owe money.

    As for the $ amount that he paid? This is the same as Amazon or Microsoft who also pay very little in taxes. They are corporations and they are able to get out of paying huge amounts due to the tax loopholes we currently have in place for them. Trump tied almost all of his income to his corporate entities, especially since he is taking no salary as POTUS. So while we can argue that yes, his corporations and ALL corporations should pay more, the fact of the matter is as things currently stand in place for corporate taxes, he didn't need to.
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    When the media says Trump isn't paying taxes, people mistake it for tax evasion.

    Liberals are comparing him to Al Capone just lol.

    https://newsone.com/4022004/trump-ta...witter-reacts/
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