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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    I can’t powerclean worth a chit weight wise because like the bench and any press my strength sucks, but I do work on my form, I’ve made vast form improvements over the years, back when I was 23 I powecleaned 190 and fuked myself up, after a few years of technique I could do 190 everyday.

    Did you use the dead hang clean back in school as drill or anything?

    Take this with a grain of salt but what I’m about to say only reveals who I am, I’ve cherished every injury and every pain from weights only because it teaches me something, maybe to rest etc.

    Three weeks ago I broke my PR in dead lift with 460 my back was hurting, but I loved every once of it, I regained my back for two weeks and hit 440 lift which was worse than my 460 I could barley move the rest of the day, but I don’t care, I did front squat with 240 and felt better, today 3 days later I just did 30 ATG bodyweight squats, I feel great, can’t wait to lift again, but I’m sticking with 425 for a few weeks but ultimately I’m going to train weekly with that 460, and the i still cherish the pain!
    I forget terminology. at 125lbs I'd do 135lb to over the head. at 135lbs I could dead 350lbs. As a kid mind you. I haven't tried to max out in years, so I don't know what I could do at the moment. I know I can get at least 325lb on flat bench, incline I'd be comfortable saying 275lb. I would imagine I can clean at least 225lb since I can do standing front military with 100lb dumbbells.
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    Originally Posted by kyle38 View Post
    I forget terminology. at 125lbs I'd do 135lb to over the head. at 135lbs I could dead 350lbs. As a kid mind you. I haven't tried to max out in years, so I don't know what I could do at the moment. I know I can get at least 325lb on flat bench, incline I'd be comfortable saying 275lb. I would imagine I can clean at least 225lb since I can do standing front military with 100lb dumbbells.


    Sounds like you did a powersnatch with 135 as a kid?

    Fuk, I didn’t even dead lift 135 till I was old enough to drink.

    You god damn strong kids!
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    Sounds like you did a powersnatch with 135 as a kid?

    Fuk, I didn’t even dead lift 135 till I was old enough to drink.

    You god damn strong kids!
    In high school at 140lbs I could bench 225lbs on my first go. My step brother got the record in Oregon for his weight class. He did, if I remember right, 315lb on flat bench when he was 129lbs. Symon Drogin.
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    Originally Posted by kyle38 View Post
    In high school at 140lbs I could bench 225lbs on my first go. My step brother got the record in Oregon for his weight class. He did, if I remember right, 315lb on flat bench when he was 129lbs. Symon Drogin.
    That’s badass those high school lifting meets, I so regret getting into the weed heavily during those years.

    I feel as though I’m making up for that time lost now, feel and act like I’m 17, the 17 I should have been.
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    Originally Posted by LWW View Post
    That’s badass those high school lifting meets, I so regret getting into the weed heavily during those years.

    I feel as though I’m making up for that time lost now, feel and act like I’m 17, the 17 I should have been.
    My regret was smoking cigarettes and drinking at that age. I could have been a lot further along if I took my health seriously at that point.
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    Originally Posted by kyle38 View Post
    My regret was smoking cigarettes and drinking at that age. I could have been a lot further along if I took my health seriously at that point.
    I’m doing the drinking now like many high school and college football players would, lol.

    I train Saturday’s so I usually get in a good one, the beer goes down better when I’m staring to feel the DOMS in the traps and spinal erectors.

    I’m a huge Ken Patera fan, with exception of smoking I love it when Kenny said he’d pull Ric Flairs van with beer in his back pocket while smoking a Salam.
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    I used to like to switch it up. When I did primarily barbell I would focus on heavy compounds in the 4-6 rep range and go to a max every 2-3 workouts. My goal was to get stonger.

    When I switched up to dumbells I go into the 8-10 range and add more targeted excercises.
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    Originally Posted by blue9steel View Post
    . . . super heavy dumbbells are hard to work with.
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    Heavy dumbbells are obviously cumbersome
    I've posted this before, but for those who have hex type dumbbells and lift at home (like me), you can drill and tap holes in the ends and then add a big hook on each side for a very stable Power Hook. The heavy dumbbells are supported by a barbell in a rack, and here I am lifting two 90# rubber coated DBs.


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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    I've posted this before, but for those who have hex type dumbbells and lift at home (like me), you can drill and tap holes in the ends and then add a big hook on each side for a very stable Power Hook. The heavy dumbbells are supported by a barbell in a rack, and here I am lifting two 90# rubber coated DBs.


    I've never seen that before. I've seen the stands before, but usually see guys use spotters with those.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    I've posted this before, but for those who have hex type dumbbells and lift at home (like me), you can drill and tap holes in the ends and then add a big hook on each side for a very stable Power Hook. The heavy dumbbells are supported by a barbell in a rack, and here I am lifting two 90# rubber coated DBs.


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    I like both, but prefer a barbell. I have a garage gym and only have dumbbells that go up to 65lbs but that's all i need. At my age I see no advantage of going crazy heavy on dumbbells. I do high reps between 15 - 20 reps with dumbbells, awesome burn and bump.
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    Originally Posted by supramax View Post
    Every pro body builder from Arnold to Jay Cutler has used heavy dumbbells. One guy with a youtube video ain't going to change my opinion.
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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    Barbells are easier to microload but dumbbells enable you to put your wrist in its "friendliest" orientation . . . especially for older lifters. But if Tony doesn't know what your goals are, I'm not sure how he's able to make such a blanket statement.
    This. For me, barbells are more convenient, but it's not a quarter million dollars worth of difference. Your preference is important too.
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    I'm 39. I don't know why it says 50. I've tried to change it.
    Me too. That feature has been broken for years, and those who operate this site have never bothered to fix it. I don't think the forum is as much a priority to BB.com as selling overpriced supplements is.

    The reason it shows as 50 is because the software's default date is January 1, 1970. That's pretty much the UNIX standard since 1970.
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    Every pro body builder from Arnold to Jay Cutler has used heavy dumbbells. One guy with a youtube video ain't going to change my opinion.
    He's not saying that. He's saying if you can't get them into position by yourself, then push them up from the bottom with total control then they're too heavy.

    My first rep of a DB press looks just like my last rep, but many people struggle on that first DB rep when pressing up from the bottom - because they never do paused reps, or try to go too heavy and don't use full ROM so the first rep is hideous.





    That's what Elliot is saying.
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    It says video unavailable [edit: it might be because I'm at work], but I can see you ready to press those two beasts. Very impressive!!!
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    He's not saying that. He's saying if you can't get them into position by yourself, then push them up from the bottom with total control then they're too heavy.

    My first rep of a DB press looks just like my last rep, but many people struggle on that first DB rep when pressing up from the bottom - because they never do paused reps, or try to go too heavy and don't use full ROM so the first rep is hideous.





    That's what Elliot is saying.
    I didn't watch the whole video so my bad. My best is 130s for 3 on incline. I'd need a spotter for anything over 130lb to get the weight up. I would say though the first rep is usually ugly. I never drop weights though and I always lift from the ground, but that's a pretty clean initial push off.
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    Originally Posted by blue9steel View Post
    I like both. The main advantage of barbells is that you can provide a greater raw stimulus magnitude as super heavy dumbbells are hard to work with. There is no magic exercise so if you're getting good results with just DBs that's fine, it just may not be fully optimal.
    Not to make an excuse but I only weigh 175, but to Halfway and Kyle38, you guys are BeAsTs!!!
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    Not to make an excuse but I only weigh 175, but to Halfway and Kyle38, you guys are BeAsTs!!!
    Thanks, but to be completely honest that vid was a few years back.

    After this thread inspired me I did the flat DB for the first time in years today and only got the 120s for 13. 24 hour fitness tops out at 120s so I'm going to have to stick to trying for high reps with those or break out the duct tape
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    Originally Posted by superman704 View Post
    Barbell is more for mass, dumbells are more for cuts
    Assuming you are not being sarcastic, that is an old broism that is simply not true.

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    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    Not to make an excuse but I only weigh 175, but to Halfway and Kyle38, you guys are BeAsTs!!!
    not as much as Halfway. I'm not doing 150s like that even with a spotter.
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    Barbell is more for mass, dumbells are more for cuts
    Now there’s some bro science!
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    For years I always used dumbbells. It was a long time ago though, so I can't remember if it's because I could feel dumbbells better in my chest, or if I just couldn't be bothered to ask for a spot with a barbell.

    Nowdays I barely use dumbbells any more, and use barbells for most things (bench press and ohp). I feel my chest working more with a barbell versus dumbbells; with the latter I'm constantly thinking about balance and wondering if one of them is going to land on my face when getting close to failure. I also feel that when going heavy, too much effort is wasted getting dumbbells into position.

    A friend of mine has built up quite an impressive chest and shoulders and I've only ever seen him use dumbbells, so each to his own.
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