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    You just proved my point.
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    What’s the point of game pass if there aren’t any games?
    Aww cute, here I have been playing tons of games for free every month and you are sticking to thinking TLOU2 is the only game worth playing. Sad!
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    Aww cute, here I have been playing tons of games for free every month and you are sticking to thinking TLOU2 is the only game worth playing. Sad!
    TLOU2 didn’t even come to mind little buddy but keep lying to yourself.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    TLOU2 didn’t even come to mind little buddy but keep lying to yourself.
    Nah it's all you guys got, sad!
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    Nah it's all you guys got, sad!
    You are embarrassing yourself at this point pal.
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    I love the ps exclusives but game pass looks so juicy.
    yeah ... this is something ... Prefer PS5 also, but i admit that Microsoft is doing something which can change the game
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    You just proved my point.
    Oh, I see now what's going on here.
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    Oh, I see now what's going on here.
    He's a fanboy who does the whole "I win you lose bye" routine.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    He's a fanboy who does the whole "I win you lose bye" routine.
    No? You listed a bunch of mostly mediocre games and the few that are decent are also available on PlayStation. Not a single game on that list is worth buying an xbox for.

    God of War, Bloodborne, Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, Nioh, TLOU, etc. are all better than everything on your list and its really not up for debate. Its not even a sony fanboy thing. Its just a fact. Only an xbox fanboy would deny this.
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    No? You listed a bunch of mostly mediocre games and the few that are decent are also available on PlayStation. Not a single game on that list is worth buying an xbox for.

    God of War, Bloodborne, Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, Nioh, TLOU, etc. are all better than everything on your list and its really not up for debate. Its not even a sony fanboy thing. Its just a fact. Only an xbox fanboy would deny this.
    So all you got is the usual Sony fanboy drivel by listing off your precious exclusives when people bring up something like "hey, you know what would be nice? Having a subscription service where you can just download and play all the games you like."
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    Jay going full retard again.
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    Jay going full retard again.
    Wow you are just a boring loser m8
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    It all depends on your personal preference really. I love Halo and Gears of War, so I'll always get an Xbox. Now you're telling me that I can get these for "free" with the GamePass? With Microsoft's acquisitions fufiling on their investments in the next year or two, the value of the GamePass will jump even further. Right now yeah, they have some older games that are hits, and they have their exclusives on there. They've had some solid games on GamePass too like Fallout, 2K, Madden, etc. at some point. Also some of the indie games they have are pretty sweet. I think the real kicker is that GamePass has 15 Million subscribers, and that's without all of their latest IP's releasing games. Once those games drop, and god Forbid the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout is on there, that number will probably almost double. Microsoft's strategy is streaming, whereas Sony's is console exclusivity. They are playing two different sides of the same coin so we'll see how this plays out. Within the next 2-3 years, the "console war" will be re-evaluated to see who is truly ahead. At that point we will be mid-gen and then either Sony's sales have better profit margins than Microsoft, or Microsoft's GamePass margins put them over the top. The sale of a console is a net-negative for both companies since they pretty much sell them at a loss, so it's the games, subscriptions, and accessories that make them the money. From a business perspective, I think Microsoft will "win" based on the amount of money profitted, but who knows, each company has their own definition of success.

    GamePass games currently available that I would be interested in:
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    Resident Evil 7: Biohazard
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    The Witcher 3
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    Tekken/Mortal Kombat
    Fuzion Frenzy (The feels)
    Bleeding Edge
    The Elder Scrolls Online
    Ori and the Will of the Wisps
    Minecraft Dungeons
    Dirt 4
    Dirt Rally 2.0
    Fallout 76
    Gears Tactics

    And this list is without the games they'll be pumping out in the next 1-2 years. I've played so many random fun games that it's ridiculous. GamePass' truly value will be in a year, when I expect Microsoft to exceed 25 Million Subscribers.
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    Gamepass makes gaming great again lol. With quick resume and Gamepass, xboxcels will be enjoying so many more games of variety. And variety is the spice of life. Just got into Warhammer Vermintide after being released on Gamepass and would never have tried that before but found it a lot of fun.

    Sony has great offerings but their IP's are getting a little stale. If they don't position themselves for a comparable subscription service they could end up losing a lot of ground to make up down the road. MS is turning gamepass into a must have subscription for gamers on xbox+pc platforms and with no real competition gives them a massive head start. Hopefully one day both will have their own gamepass models and streaming games without needing hardware comes to fruition but until then MS is going to be dominant in this space.
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    Gamepass makes gaming great again lol. With quick resume and Gamepass, xboxcels will be enjoying so many more games of variety. And variety is the spice of life. Just got into Warhammer Vermintide after being released on Gamepass and would never have tried that before but found it a lot of fun.

    Sony has great offerings but their IP's are getting a little stale. If they don't position themselves for a comparable subscription service they could end up losing a lot of ground to make up down the road. MS is turning gamepass into a must have subscription for gamers on xbox+pc platforms and with no real competition gives them a massive head start. Hopefully one day both will have their own gamepass models and streaming games without needing hardware comes to fruition but until then MS is going to be dominant in this space.
    Yeah I just don't see streaming being all that popular with a wide audience, it's something that only seems to work for people with an ideal internet connection with no data cap that can have a great connection to the streaming services. It's a limitation that I just don't see going away any time soon either considering how it's the ISP's that are the biggest limiting factor. Something like Game Pass is simply a lot more appealing for a wider audience as they don't need to worry about going over their data cap or having the best connection.
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    Yeah I just don't see streaming being all that popular with a wide audience, it's something that only seems to work for people with an ideal internet connection with no data cap that can have a great connection to the streaming services. It's a limitation that I just don't see going away any time soon either considering how it's the ISP's that are the biggest limiting factor. Something like Game Pass is simply a lot more appealing for a wider audience as they don't need to worry about going over their data cap or having the best connection.
    Streaming is way more than just to your phone. Streaming will replace console gaming entirely. They might say otherwise, but there is no other evolution of gaming other than that. You'll be streaming Xbox games to your television through the Xbox App. You'll never be buying a console ever again, since Microsoft actually loses money creating a console, between the hard costs of hardware, then marketing, development, coding, etc. Every single form of media to this point has switched to a streaming platform. When's the last time you whipped out a DVD player to watch a movie? I haven't done that since 2013. Taken out a CD Player to listen to an album? Maybe back in 2010. I'd say a majority of households in the United States use some form of streaming (provided they have the tech for it). People use Netflix, Disney+, Prime Video, HBOMax, Hulu, etc., for shows and movies. Then you have Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Tidal, Amazon for music streaming. It's only a matter of time until games move the same way. I think the only thing holding them back is the internet speeds required to fully stream 4K. The average household has 12-25 Mb/s which is enough to stream 1080p to your house. However, with the emergence of 5G, basic internet providers need a way to compete, which has resulted in the 10G push. 5G means Fifth Generation which to date is the max 1.8 GB/s. 10G stands for 10 GB/s which is ungodly fast. That is being rolled out as we speak and will be largely adopted within the next 7-10 years, which is right around when this console generation will end. With 10G speeds you'll easily be able to stream 4k+ with ease, so Microsoft would have no real reason to roll out a console when you can just stream everything easily. No need to spend years developing an Xbox, no need to buy the precious custom materials for it, no need to market it, and all they need to do is release a few ads saying "Xbox offers Blah, Blah, Blah Games right to your television. Just pick up and play right away". This makes it easier for developers since there is no creating two/three different versions of games for consoles, it'll just be a one time thing. Microsoft, Sony, Amazon, and Google will throw money at developers to make their games exclusive to their own app for a period of time. Unless these companies just buy out developers which is cheaper now than the long run, which is why you'll start seeing that happen more and more. I can't envision the need for another console generation when everything is pretty much just done through your TV and Phone at this point.

    At the end of the day, the "winner" will be who has the best collection of games under their umbrella, which is why you see these streaming giants pay out money to have certain content under their umbrella. Why would you pay $500 in the future for another console, when you can just pay $15 a month for Xbox, play any of their games, and then just be done with it? So right now, yeah, it may not seem popular since you can just have the console and digitally buy games, but once streaming takes off, Microsoft is already lightyears ahead of where Sony is. Sony currently says they don't plan on having a "GamePass" because it doesn't fit their business model. The real reason is that they don't have the means and capability to do so. By the time the next gen roles around, I'm positive Sony will have something similar to the GamePass and an attitude shift towards streaming.
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    Gamepass makes gaming great again lol. With quick resume and Gamepass, xboxcels will be enjoying so many more games of variety. And variety is the spice of life. Just got into Warhammer Vermintide after being released on Gamepass and would never have tried that before but found it a lot of fun.

    Sony has great offerings but their IP's are getting a little stale. If they don't position themselves for a comparable subscription service they could end up losing a lot of ground to make up down the road. MS is turning gamepass into a must have subscription for gamers on xbox+pc platforms and with no real competition gives them a massive head start. Hopefully one day both will have their own gamepass models and streaming games without needing hardware comes to fruition but until then MS is going to be dominant in this space.
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    Now that is hilarious.
    Seriously. PS IP has never been hotter. They elevated their software to yet another level this gen while MS sank to a new low. Can't imagine being a Xboxcel who is in so much denial they can't recognize this.

    Xbox is killing Playstation is so many ways leading up to next gen for Xboxcels to be excited about. Hardware design, hardware power, smart delivery, GamePass, XCloud, peripheral quality, etc, etc. But when an Xboxcels can't even admit Playstation has a massive software advantage. Just LMAO. The cope is real.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Seriously. PS IP has never been hotter. They elevated their software to yet another level this gen while MS sank to a new low. Can't imagine being a Xboxcel who is in so much denial they can't recognize this.

    Xbox is killing Playstation is so many ways leading up to next gen for Xboxcels to be excited about. Hardware design, hardware power, smart delivery, GamePass, XCloud, peripheral quality, etc, etc. But when an Xboxcels can't even admit Playstation has a massive software advantage. Just LMAO. The cope is real.
    I think Sony has some great offerings but a massive advantage is going a little far. People want variety these days and Gamepass is where its at on the best ecosystems that is Xbox and PC.

    I just hope for Sonycels sake the PS5 isn't a giant eye sore of a jet engine when its finally revealed working in person.
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    I think most people make the decision based on the games. I've always bought Sony/Nintendo consoles, they have the best games bar none. The gamepass is cool and they will get a lot of subscribers, but you gotta have the good games.
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    Originally Posted by Jimbo0731 View Post
    I think Sony has some great offerings but a massive advantage is going a little far. People want variety these days and Gamepass is where its at on the best ecosystems that is Xbox and PC.

    I just hope for Sonycels sake the PS5 isn't a giant eye sore of a jet engine when its finally revealed working in person.
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    I think most people make the decision based on the games. I've always bought Sony/Nintendo consoles, they have the best games bar none. The gamepass is cool and they will get a lot of subscribers, but you gotta have the good games.
    I have heard a lot of people saying how they are planning on getting a Xbox Series S just for Game Pass and streaming video in 4K. Seems like that is going to be a big seller for a lot of average/casual people with an interest in gaming. Gaming forums are pretty much the only place I see people trying to hype up the PS5, seems like it's big with nerds but not much else.
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    I have heard a lot of people saying how they are planning on getting a Xbox Series S just for Game Pass and streaming video in 4K. Seems like that is going to be a big seller for a lot of average/casual people with an interest in gaming. Gaming forums are pretty much the only place I see people trying to hype up the PS5, seems like it's big with nerds but not much else.
    If by nerds you mean people who are really into videogames this may be the first post of your that makes some sense. MS should get the casual crowd with their low cost offering.
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    If by nerds you mean people who are really into videogames this may be the first post of your that makes some sense. MS should get the casual crowd with their low cost offering.
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    Streaming is way more than just to your phone. Streaming will replace console gaming entirely. They might say otherwise, but there is no other evolution of gaming other than that. You'll be streaming Xbox games to your television through the Xbox App. You'll never be buying a console ever again, since Microsoft actually loses money creating a console, between the hard costs of hardware, then marketing, development, coding, etc. Every single form of media to this point has switched to a streaming platform. When's the last time you whipped out a DVD player to watch a movie? I haven't done that since 2013. Taken out a CD Player to listen to an album? Maybe back in 2010. I'd say a majority of households in the United States use some form of streaming (provided they have the tech for it). People use Netflix, Disney+, Prime Video, HBOMax, Hulu, etc., for shows and movies. Then you have Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Tidal, Amazon for music streaming. It's only a matter of time until games move the same way. I think the only thing holding them back is the internet speeds required to fully stream 4K. The average household has 12-25 Mb/s which is enough to stream 1080p to your house. However, with the emergence of 5G, basic internet providers need a way to compete, which has resulted in the 10G push. 5G means Fifth Generation which to date is the max 1.8 GB/s. 10G stands for 10 GB/s which is ungodly fast. That is being rolled out as we speak and will be largely adopted within the next 7-10 years, which is right around when this console generation will end. With 10G speeds you'll easily be able to stream 4k+ with ease, so Microsoft would have no real reason to roll out a console when you can just stream everything easily. No need to spend years developing an Xbox, no need to buy the precious custom materials for it, no need to market it, and all they need to do is release a few ads saying "Xbox offers Blah, Blah, Blah Games right to your television. Just pick up and play right away". This makes it easier for developers since there is no creating two/three different versions of games for consoles, it'll just be a one time thing. Microsoft, Sony, Amazon, and Google will throw money at developers to make their games exclusive to their own app for a period of time. Unless these companies just buy out developers which is cheaper now than the long run, which is why you'll start seeing that happen more and more. I can't envision the need for another console generation when everything is pretty much just done through your TV and Phone at this point.

    At the end of the day, the "winner" will be who has the best collection of games under their umbrella, which is why you see these streaming giants pay out money to have certain content under their umbrella. Why would you pay $500 in the future for another console, when you can just pay $15 a month for Xbox, play any of their games, and then just be done with it? So right now, yeah, it may not seem popular since you can just have the console and digitally buy games, but once streaming takes off, Microsoft is already lightyears ahead of where Sony is. Sony currently says they don't plan on having a "GamePass" because it doesn't fit their business model. The real reason is that they don't have the means and capability to do so. By the time the next gen roles around, I'm positive Sony will have something similar to the GamePass and an attitude shift towards streaming.
    Uhd Blu rays are the only way to watch 4k surround sound content still. Games are even larger.

    The speed of light is a hard limit on latency, and ISPs aren't reliable.

    In conclusion, all media offered through streaming sucks balls so I use offline files for everything.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    XBox is going the way of Sega.

    Better hardware but no games.
    lmao, strong comparison

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    God of War is a PS exclusive so I know Im getting a PS5. Last game was incredible.
    So many examples like this depending on your taste. God of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted, Spiderman, Bloodborne, Days Gone, Ghost of Sushi, Dreams, Concrete Genie, Grand Tourismo, Persona, etc, etc. If you really enjoy videogames you just can't miss out on access to Sony's library as their exclusives are just so superior.
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    Xbox is temping me
    they did a good job with this strat

    i might move to Xbox and get a ps5 2-3 years from now


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    Xbox have to show me more games 1st
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