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    Originally Posted by CaliSuperSport View Post
    Ah, so if it doesn't quite impact an election (like swinging a battleground state) it's fine to you?
    Republicans such as yourself are interested in casting doubt on the American electoral system, the bedrock of our government. You want to use claims of nine missing ballots, or 20 foreign nationals voting illegally, to argue that there's underlying "massive democrat liberal marxist fraud" or whatever. You seemingly can't distinguish nuance, given the fact that we're not talking here about whether or not voter fraud "is fine" (dumb question I mean honestly a really phucking stupid question to ask) but rather does this vast conspiracy of massive voter fraud that the extreme right is attempting to perpetuate, with Trump, actually exist? The obvious answer, to anyone that looks at basic facts, is no, that there are instances of voter fraud but they are so few and far between that they have zero impact on the results of our elections, are easily caught, and swiftly prosecuted.
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    Originally Posted by Streetbull View Post
    You’ve forgotten the debates.
    I haven't forgotten anything; I wrote where the polls stand currently. You can believe that the polls will move significantly in Trump's favor following the debates, but that's all it is - a belief.
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    Originally Posted by scheal View Post
    The popular vote is 100% irrelevant

    Why have polls that measure it?

    Hilary was 98% fav to win the Presidency.............LOL


    Lol love the "A simpleton fooled you all"! Also the "tens of millions of people are racists and want that"
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    Originally Posted by scheal View Post
    The popular vote is 100% irrelevant

    Why have polls that measure it?
    Every poll is a poll on a popular vote. Pollsters go and ask who people are voting for. That's what the polls are.

    In order to model the EC victory you have to have a ton of polling done on a state-by-state basis, and then aggregate them up into a full national EC map. We have that now, and Biden has a roughly 80% chance to win the EC based on it.

    I have no concern for your dumb youtube video because we can just look at what the polls showed in 2016, and they were accurate for what they were polling - Hillary indeed did win the popular vote.
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    Republicans such as yourself are interested in casting doubt on the American electoral system, the bedrock of our government. You want to use claims of nine missing ballots, or 20 foreign nationals voting illegally, to argue that there's underlying "massive democrat liberal marxist fraud" or whatever. You seemingly can't distinguish nuance, given the fact that we're not talking here about whether or not voter fraud "is fine" (dumb question I mean honestly a really phucking stupid question to ask) but rather does this vast conspiracy of massive voter fraud that the extreme right is attempting to perpetuate, with Trump, actually exist? The obvious answer, to anyone that looks at basic facts, is no, that there are instances of voter fraud but they are so few and far between that they have zero impact on the results of our elections, are easily caught, and swiftly prosecuted.
    More like, I'm interested in maintaining the integrity of our system. Which is why I'm against illegal immigrants voting and would prefer more ID verification in the process. I can't speak to other states but in California in particular is hilarious that you don't even need to show ID to vote, but I get carded for a Swisher (and cops will proactively bust shops that don't card).

    Seems a little backwards. At any rate these are just the cases we know about...the prosecutions coupled with the Veritas footage should make anyone worried. And Republicans do it to by the way, but there's been more damning cases among democrats.

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    A pollster finally called me the other week. I guess they are calling cell phones now? Anyways, I told them how much i hated Trump and couldn't wait to vote for Biden. I'm ridin with Biden in the polls but with Trump in the booth.

    also lol at OP being all about fox now. you flip flopping loser.
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    Originally Posted by lsiberian View Post
    Poll are meaningless. Biden is clearly losing popularity due to the Riots. It remains to be seen if that holds until November though.
    Their only chance is to steal the election via mail ins. They know it. The campaigns are meaningless right now, the riots sealed their fate.
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    Originally Posted by CaliSuperSport View Post
    I'm against illegal immigrants voting and would prefer more ID verification in the process. I can't speak to other states but in California in particular is hilarious that you don't even need to show ID to vote, but I get carded for a Swisher (and cops will proactively bust shops that don't card).
    There is zero evidence that non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise, are voting in US elections on any meaningful scale. The idea of "mass illegal immigrants voting fraudulently" is a republican fairy tale.

    these are just the cases we know about...
    If you want to discredit the integrity of our elections by claiming there's mass voter fraud that we don't know about that supports the democrats, then one could make the equally unsubstantiated claim that there's mass voter fraud that we don't know about that support republicans. It's really quite sad if the claim by republicans of mass over fraud comes down to "we don't know about it, but it's happening!"

    the prosecutions
    Heritage foundation even said there's only been like 1,300 cases of voter fraud documented since like 2000.

    coupled with the Veritas footage
    LMAO yeah Veritas is a beacon of investigative journalism. You people believe anything you're told.
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    Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to vote for a questionable child lover who can't formulate a coherent sentence, is always confused, has had two strokes, constantly talks about how his handlers wont be happy with him, who son is funneled money from foreign countries, who celebrates criminal as martyrs, et cetera...

    This guy is obvious the choice to be the strong willed leader of the free world.

    Who else has the backbone, ability and inspiring leadership to stand up to a stronger than ever China who is flexing on the world and subverting the rights of free nations (across the globe at this point).
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    Originally Posted by cptamerica59 View Post
    Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to vote for a questionable child lover who can't formulate a coherent sentence, is always confused, has had two strokes, constantly talks about how his handlers wont be happy with him, who son is funneled money from foreign countries, who celebrates criminal as martyrs, et cetera...

    This guy is obvious the choice to be the strong willed leader of the free world.

    Who else has the backbone, ability and inspiring leadership to stand up to a stronger than ever China who is flexing on the world and subverting the rights of free nations (across the globe at this point).
    Wow all these words and not a single true statement. You should write a novel.
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    Originally Posted by Trapstar4.4 View Post
    damn almost 40 days out and trump cant get in the margin of error. hopefully biden and team can keep it going

    trump... hey man just keep yelling and screaming. i hate the guy but love how he cant get out of his own way
    I always find it weird when people can hate someone they never met.
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    Polls in 2016 measured the popular vote and were extremely accurate. We now also have polls that determine both candidates' odds of winning the EC, which trump has never led in, either. Always funny when Trump supporters try to claim the polls were wrong in 2016 when they were in fact incredibly accurate. It goes to show that you put zero thought into what you're actually spewing, and just repeat what you're told like a good cult follower, despite being a five second google search away from being disproven.
    I'm guessing you didn't see the recent study regarding the "silent majority"? The study explained that over 10% of those voting for Trump will not voluntarily admit to voting for Trump.

    Polls are BS. But go ahead and put your faith in them. The libs looked like complete idiots in 2016 and they will again in 2020.
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    Originally Posted by deepfat View Post
    I always find it weird when people can hate someone they never met.
    because they have low IQs and are brainwashed by the media (srs). just look at the straight up cognitive dissonance from people like Trapstar (LMAO at that user name) and JLay87. Like it's a proven fact that Hunter Biden has shady foreign business deals. the same thing they tried to say trump had but even Robert Mueller said wasn't the case. yet they continue to think that orange man is bad and are going to happily march in to the booth to vote for a guy with 2 brain cells and low energy.
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    Everyone just step back and see how unhinged and rabid JLay is in this thread, post after post. This is the modern lib, an emotion wreck.
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    Originally Posted by jeffl1980 View Post
    Pulls are BS. But go ahead and put your faith in them. The libs looked like complete idiots in 2016 and they will again in 2020.
    Polls in 2016 measured the popular vote and were extremely accurate. We now also have polls that determine both candidates' odds of winning the EC, which trump has never led in, either. Always funny when Trump supporters try to claim the polls were wrong in 2016 when they were in fact incredibly accurate. It goes to show that you put zero thought into what you're actually spewing, and just repeat what you're told like a good cult follower, despite being a five second google search away from being disproven.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    Everyone just step back and see how unhinged and rabid JLay is in this thread, post after post. This is the modern lib, an emotion wreck.
    pure emotion. no logic or reason. only regurgitating what social media wants him to believe. totally ignoring all the facts. sad really.
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    Statistically significant. Any amount that will actually impact the outcome of an election.



    No there isn't. There is none. Want to start a thread about the nine ballots found? lol
    Wasn't Bush vs Gore decided by a few thousand votes in Florida? It doesn't take many votes to potential change who wins an election.
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    Originally Posted by jlick View Post
    Like it's a proven fact that Hunter Biden has shady foreign business deals.
    It's funny because the senate report didn't prove any such fact. Republicans tried as hard as they could and couldn't prove anything. Yet here you are spouting off the opposite as if it's true. I read the report.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    Everyone just step back and see how unhinged and rabid JLay is in this thread, post after post. This is the modern lib, an emotion wreck.
    LMAO I'm so "unhinged" and "rabid". You sound like you're terrified of me. What a snowflake!
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Wasn't Bush vs Gore decided by a few thousand votes in Florida? It doesn't take many votes to potential change who wins an election.
    Were there a few thousand instances of voter fraud in the 2000 election in Florida?
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    It's funny because the senate report didn't prove any such fact. Republicans tried as hard as they could and couldn't prove anything. Yet here you are spouting off the opposite as if it's true. I read the report.
    this is a well known fact, sold out to Ukraine, Russia, ans China. You must not be paying attention.
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    Originally Posted by jeffl1980 View Post
    I'm guessing you didn't see the recent study regarding the "silent majority"? The study explained that over 10% of those voting for Trump will not voluntarily admit to voting for Trump.
    This is what Dems have to worry about if these polls tighten - the silent vote. I haven't seen the study that shows over 10% of Trump voters won't admit it; that seems pretty high. Regardless, whatever it is I think it's definitely enough to tilt the election in his favor in a close race.
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    Originally Posted by dannyg1217 View Post
    this is a well known fact, sold out to Ukraine, Russia, ans China. You must not be paying attention.
    You mean his firm did business with people in those countries. You've got him now!
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    Were there a few thousand instances of voter fraud in the 2000 election in Florida?
    We'll never know, possibly
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    We'll never know, possibly
    So your answer is that there is zero evidence of such instances.
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    Originally Posted by Audioslave View Post
    This is what Dems have to worry about if these polls tighten - the silent vote. I haven't seen the study that shows over 10% of Trump voters won't admit it; that seems pretty high. Regardless, whatever it is I think it's definitely enough to tilt the election in his favor in a close race.
    Think about how much we still can potentially see leading up to election night.

    Multiple Biden/Trump debates
    Potential results from any one of the multiple investigations happening
    Repercussions from leftists going insane due to a SC appointment
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    So your answer is that there is zero evidence of such instances.
    Irrelevant.

    My point is it doesn't take a huge nationwide voter fraud crime ring to sway a potus election and they can be decided by 1 state and just a few thousand votes one large corrupt district can do it (see Broward county)
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    Think about how much we still can potentially see leading up to election night.

    Multiple Biden/Trump debates
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    Possibly, but nothing has shaken Biden's lead in the polls thus far. They have been very consistent.
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    Originally Posted by JLay87 View Post
    Polls in 2016 measured the popular vote and were extremely accurate. We now also have polls that determine both candidates' odds of winning the EC, which trump has never led in, either. Always funny when Trump supporters try to claim the polls were wrong in 2016 when they were in fact incredibly accurate. It goes to show that you put zero thought into what you're actually spewing, and just repeat what you're told like a good cult follower, despite being a five second google search away from being disproven.
    Isn't it cute that uneducated troglodyte leftists still actually think calling Trump voters "cultists" is a valid argument, while their limited self awareness prevents them from realizing that simultaneously spending every moment on the r/p absolutely REEEEEIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG on literally any Trump news, literally down to how he orders steak, actually makes them cultists?
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    Originally Posted by fitnessislife View Post
    Isn't it cute that uneducated troglodyte leftists still actually think calling Trump voters "cultists" is a valid argument, while their limited self awareness prevents them from realizing that simultaneously spending every moment on the r/p absolutely REEEEEIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG on literally any Trump news, literally down to how he orders steak, actually makes them cultists?
    Wow this is a sick post man
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