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    Originally Posted by Fozzy13 View Post
    We live in a 1st world country with great medical technology...ofc the survival rate is going to be high. What is the rate in which people need to be hospitalized or face prolonged sickness?

    Brb catch covid and use up your entire sick leave.
    Brb catch covid, stay in hospital and rack up debt.

    What about the effects of lung damage longer term?
    Can you panicels site some studies showing the effects on lungs, or is this just a nonscientific scare monger line I keep hearing repeatedly? When does it end, or do we lock down forever based on hopes and dreams?
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    So what's the total estimated infections now based on those death rates if we have 200k+ deaths?
    we don't have 200k deaths. Maybe 1/4 of that.
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    Originally Posted by arod204 View Post
    Can you panicels site some studies showing the effects on lungs, or is this just a nonscientific scare monger line I keep hearing repeatedly? When does it end, or do we lock down forever based on hopes and dreams?
    I'd rather be a panicel for a few more months and have my organs intact for remainder of my life, but that's just me. Also, there is a greater than 0% chance this thing can activate something similar to HIV and Aids and kill you in a few years, or be similar to chicken pox/herpes activating as shingles. Who knows what this thing will do in a decade or two.


    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20490351

    Organ damage caused by COVID-19
    Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

    Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
    Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
    Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
    Blood clots and blood vessel problems
    COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

    Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

    Problems with mood and fatigue
    People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

    Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

    Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.

    Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown
    Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

    It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.
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    so sad that the govt and the media ruined the lives of current and future generations for a scamdemic
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    I'd rather be a panicel for a few more months and have my organs intact for remainder of my life, but that's just me. Also, there is a greater than 0% chance this thing can activate something similar to HIV and Aids and kill you in a few years.


    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20490351

    Organ damage caused by COVID-19
    Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

    Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
    Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
    Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
    Blood clots and blood vessel problems
    COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

    Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

    Problems with mood and fatigue
    People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

    Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

    Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.

    Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown
    Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

    It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.

    This is complete utter horsechit.

    1. The tests are absolutely terrible and are not selective for "c19".

    2. There is no control group (or these people werent checked for these conditions prior to getting "infected"). I would bet a lot of this chit is psychosomatic, or caused by excess stress hormones.

    3. All these people have other diseases that can cause this and have poor lifestyles.
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    Originally Posted by orangetide View Post
    This is complete utter horsechit.

    1. The tests are absolutely terrible and are not selective for "c19".

    2. There is no control group (or these people werent checked for these conditions prior to getting "infected"). I would bet a lot of this chit is psychosomatic, or caused by excess stress hormones.

    3. All these people have other diseases that can cause this and have poor lifestyles.
    Your word vs Mayoclinic. I'll take mayoclinic's. It's not psychosomatic when you see physical changes to the heart/brain/luns in the scans. Also, we still have 110 million people over age 50. Herd immunity will still kill 2-3 million and hospitalize 5x more. Not sure why everyone in this thread think old people do not exist.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    99.5 up to 69 bracket.. damn

    So really is basically the flu where you're not dying unless you're extremely old or a rare rare outlier.
    Except the flu is also dangerous to infants and toddlers.
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    Now that we know it's not deadly to anyone who wasn't at high risk anyway, expect the narrative to shift toward these "mysterious unknown sequelae of the virus".
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    I'd rather be a panicel for a few more months and have my organs intact for remainder of my life, but that's just me. Also, there is a greater than 0% chance this thing can activate something similar to HIV and Aids and kill you in a few years, or be similar to chicken pox/herpes activating as shingles. Who knows what this thing will do in a decade or two.


    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20490351

    Organ damage caused by COVID-19
    Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

    Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
    Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
    Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.
    Blood clots and blood vessel problems
    COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

    Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.

    Problems with mood and fatigue
    People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

    Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

    Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.

    Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown
    Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

    It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.
    Was hoping for some numbers. You know, the stats that usually back up claims that we base policy on.

    What percentage of people who have had covid have gone on to develop this kind of damage?

    How severe is the damage?

    How many organs per person end up phucked?

    Is it people in poor health, or people in good health?

    Most policy is based on stats, I didn't see ANY in that article. Need some actual SCIENCE for us to base policy around, not vague claims without reference my guy..

    Also this paniceling for a few more months, when does it ever end? Do we wait a few more months indefinitely while lighting stacks of money on fire? We are taking money away from programs people need indefinitely without any stats or science backing it up.
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    Your word vs Mayoclinic. I'll take mayoclinic's. It's not psychosomatic when you see physical changes to the heart/brain/luns in the scans. Also, we still have 110 million people over age 50. Herd immunity will still kill 2-3 million and hospitalize 5x more. Not sure why everyone in this thread think old people do not exist.
    go ahead. Keep doing that until you realize doctors want to push a profitable narrative as well. You think lawyers are the only corrupt professionals lmao.
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    Your word vs Mayoclinic. I'll take mayoclinic's. It's not psychosomatic when you see physical changes to the heart/brain/luns in the scans. Also, we still have 110 million people over age 50. Herd immunity will still kill 2-3 million and hospitalize 5x more. Not sure why everyone in this thread think old people do not exist.
    Yup, this was the first disease that had a higher death rate for people over 50. Before that they were totally safe.

    Your pile of sentences from the Mayo Clinic is full of weasel words BTW.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    go ahead. Keep doing that until you realize doctors want to push a profitable narrative as well. You think lawyers are the only corrupt professionals lmao.
    Idk I didn't see any numbers or studies there. To me its just a scare tactic line that doesn't seem to cite any data...

    Its similar to the saying they keep repeating. Just two more weeks...
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    Your word vs Mayoclinic. I'll take mayoclinic's. It's not psychosomatic when you see physical changes to the heart/brain/luns in the scans. Also, we still have 110 million people over age 50. Herd immunity will still kill 2-3 million and hospitalize 5x more. Not sure why everyone in this thread think old people do not exist.
    LMFAO.

    You think mayo clinic took scans off all of that stuff RIGHT BEFORE they "got covid"??

    There is literally nothing to compare to.

    Just stay inside and let the big boys keep society going
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    Originally Posted by arod204 View Post
    Idk I didn't see any numbers or studies there. To me its just a scare tactic line that doesn't seem to cite any data...

    Its similar to the saying they keep repeating. Just two more weeks...

    The virus is sitll new. Studies are still ongoing. Just know that if you end up at the hospital you are highly likely to have a long recovery ahead.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...701-5/fulltext

    Weeks and months after the onset of acute COVID-19, people continue to suffer. Paul Garner, a professor of epidemiology at Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, UK, wrote on the 95th day after the onset of symptoms that “I am unable to be out of bed for more than three hours at a stretch, my arms and legs are permanently fizzing as if injected with Szechuan peppercorns, I have ringing in the ears, intermittent brain fog, palpitations, and dramatic mood swings.”1 Other people also describe similar complaints.2, 3 78 of 100 patients in an observational cohort study who had recovered from COVID-19 had abnormal findings on cardiovascular MRI (median of 71 days after diagnosis) and 36 of those reported dyspnoea and unusual fatigue.4
    We are seeing patients in clinics dedicated to COVID-19 convalescents, and for some of these patients the return to their former health trajectory is slow and painful. These patients are not only those recovering from the severe form of the acute disease (ie, post intensive care syndrome), but also those who had mild and moderate disease. A summary of the most common complaints, based on our clinical impressions, is shown in the appendix (p 1).


    Rare long-term sequelae can result after other viral infections—eg, infectious mononucleosis, measles, and hepatitis B. Long-term sequelae of COVID-19 are unknown (as are many aspects of the acute disease). Long-term consequences were observed in survivors of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)5, 6 but it is unknown whether lessons from SARS are applicable to COVID-19. Other concerns are rising: does acute COVID-19 cause diabetes?7 Or other metabolic disorders? Will patients develop interstitial lung disease? We are still in the first months of the pandemic and we do not know what to tell our patients when they are asking about the course and prognosis of their ongoing complaints.
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    The virus is sitll new. Studies are still ongoing. Just know that if you end up at the hospital you are highly likely to have a long recovery ahead.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...701-5/fulltext

    Weeks and months after the onset of acute COVID-19, people continue to suffer. Paul Garner, a professor of epidemiology at Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, UK, wrote on the 95th day after the onset of symptoms that “I am unable to be out of bed for more than three hours at a stretch, my arms and legs are permanently fizzing as if injected with Szechuan peppercorns, I have ringing in the ears, intermittent brain fog, palpitations, and dramatic mood swings.”1 Other people also describe similar complaints.2, 3 78 of 100 patients in an observational cohort study who had recovered from COVID-19 had abnormal findings on cardiovascular MRI (median of 71 days after diagnosis) and 36 of those reported dyspnoea and unusual fatigue.4
    We are seeing patients in clinics dedicated to COVID-19 convalescents, and for some of these patients the return to their former health trajectory is slow and painful. These patients are not only those recovering from the severe form of the acute disease (ie, post intensive care syndrome), but also those who had mild and moderate disease. A summary of the most common complaints, based on our clinical impressions, is shown in the appendix (p 1).


    Rare long-term sequelae can result after other viral infections—eg, infectious mononucleosis, measles, and hepatitis B. Long-term sequelae of COVID-19 are unknown (as are many aspects of the acute disease). Long-term consequences were observed in survivors of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)5, 6 but it is unknown whether lessons from SARS are applicable to COVID-19. Other concerns are rising: does acute COVID-19 cause diabetes?7 Or other metabolic disorders? Will patients develop interstitial lung disease? We are still in the first months of the pandemic and we do not know what to tell our patients when they are asking about the course and prognosis of their ongoing complaints.
    Lmfao dude you are some next level of unhinged paniccel.
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    Originally Posted by orangetide View Post
    Lmfao dude you are some next level of unhinged paniccel.
    Yea call me that if you want. Wearing a mask and avoiding big crowds is really not too difficult. I don't live in a closed bubble and realize people over age 50 actually exist and make up 110 million people.
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    This is a true eye opener of how effective MSM propaganda is and how docile and complaint the modern human has become.

    We are ripe for the taken to become literal slaves for the .1%.

    Next is UBI and you can kiss goodbye to your liberty, rights and freedoms.
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    The scariest thing we've learned through all this bullchit srs. We're in for the fight of our lives very soon
    It also shows how little we can actually count on our fellow Americans to be like minded, strong, capable, and decisive. All the traits that won the greatest generation the world war, have been demonized and socialized out of the American man.

    There soon enough (or maybe already..) just wont be enough real American winners left to reverse this course. We are taking our lead from the weak and the worthless rather than the smart and the strong.
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    This is why everyone who is commenting making jokes like “just two more weeks bro” should start doing something about this. One easy small step. Don’t wear a mask
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    Originally Posted by PepperedAngus View Post
    It also shows how little we can actually count on our fellow Americans to be like minded, strong, capable, and decisive. All the traits that won the greatest generation the world war, have been demonized and socialized out of the American man.

    There soon enough (or maybe already..) just wont be enough real American winners left to reverse this course. We are taking our lead from the weak and the worthless rather than the smart and the strong.
    Damn you are so tough bro with your exposed nostrils. What a badass.
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    No one in this thread knows any math. I guess you all are tradies for a reason. We have 110 million people over age 50 in this country.

    We are talking about 1/200 chance for age 50-69 dying 1/20 age 70+ dying if they catch the virus.

    We are still looking at 2-3 million deaths from this age group going herd immunity route. The economy WILL NOT come back if these people do not feel safe to go out and spend. They are the biggest spenders and have more money than any age group.

    We could open everything up safely and have economy 95% back if everyone just wore a mask. Sad how unpatriotic you all are and can't make the slightest of sacrifices for the greater good.

    Also, none of this has changed from earlier number predictions. It is just idiots trying to reframe it as OMG 99.5% chance you won't die. This is what has always been said about the virus. The FLU for example is less than 0.1% chance of death. This is at least 5x deadlier than the FLU just like Trump said in the Woodward tapes.
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    It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to delay the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean.
    fixed for you

    and delaying the inevitable isnt going to save you
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    and delaying the inevitable isnt going to save you
    This would be the case if no vaccine was on the horizon. Right now there are several candidates a few months away.
    Slowing the spread until a vaccine arrives will absolutely save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives.
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    Originally Posted by jamesfrancis1 View Post
    This would be the case if no vaccine was on the horizon. Right now there are several candidates a few months away.
    Slowing the spread until a vaccine arrives will absolutely save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives.
    the average vaccine has taken 7 years on average to develop but of course i'm sure bill gates has been developing the the vaccine concurrently with his engineered virus
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    I truly feel sorry for all small business owners who were negatively affected by all the panicels.
    half the small businesses in hawaii or gone and will never come back
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    The one thing I can die happy knowing is that I didn't once wear a mask, feel any sort of fear in any way that was being pushed by this, and that I knew since the very first moment this "virus" was pushed into the media, that it was going to be bullchit. Every aspect of it.

    When will some of you guys realize the media, no matter what "political" side your on (which means fuk all), is there to do one thing only. Create fear and control the population. That is what they thrive off of. Yet people still watch CNN, Fox News, Joe Rogan, etc who are all controlled and all have one purpose. To persuade you. To create fear and panic and create a false dichotomy for an issue no one should even care about, and then the two sides fight each other over something everyone knows is insane.

    The media actually created a conversation about ****philia being viable, and people fell for the bait. People actually think that is a debatable topic. Ben Shapiro thinks Cuties should exist because of rights. What a fukking clown fukking world we live in.

    Now we have people putting on masks, ordering food with them on and taking them off when they sit down 5ft from the point they ordered, and think nothing of it. I bet 99% of people that wear masks currently would shove a dildo up their ass if governors mandated it to go into public.
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