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    How are you green?

    How? Because I'm a straight shooting honest poster that loves my misc brothers and sisters?
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    I'm not talking about rioters at all. I'm talking about what happened during the BT event.
    It is all related.


    That is what your autistic mind is not comprehending.

    Excuse the criminals? Get riots. It's that simple.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    If cops broke down your door by accident (wrong address on warrant) and didn't yell police you'd shoot them too.
    Originally Posted by Fozzy13 View Post
    You got that right




    Perfect reason why no knocks should be only used in extreme cases. If they were going after the EX BF...i could see how a no knock could POSSIBLY be justified. BT was not the main person in the investigation, she wasnt a dealer, she had no prior record and had a decent job as a ER tech. There was no reason to believe there were any armed criminals in the apartment at the time





    Not accurate.
    Really?


    Really?????


    Stop believing left wing BS and start looking at facts.

    Since when is it ok for people to start shooting at cops?

    They DID announce their presence.

    So just stop.


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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    If cops broke down your door by accident (wrong address on warrant) and didn't yell police you'd shoot them too.
    Her name and address were on the warrant.
    Hey gideon! Ive been looking at your wall, its pretty frickin sickening bro.

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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    Really?


    Really?????


    Stop believing left wing BS and start looking at facts.

    Since when is it ok for people to start shooting at cops?

    They DID announce their presence.

    So just stop.


    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...28106510262272

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    Originally Posted by Mr.Roarke View Post
    Her name and address were on the warrant.
    Leo only wants to see and hear what his left wing SJW autistic brain will let him.

    Real facts? Autistic people cannot register what those are.
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    Really?


    Really?????


    Stop believing left wing BS and start looking at facts.

    Since when is it ok for people to start shooting at cops?

    They DID announce their presence.

    So just stop.


    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...28106510262272
    There has been more than one ruling already.

    There has been federal court rulings where a guy was paralyzed after shooting at cops during a no knock and the cops not announcing themselves.

    No charges for shooting at them.

    No charges for BTs boyfriend in this case for shooting at cops.


    If cops don't announce and ID themselves and come in your house they can be treated like any other intruder.
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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
    Trying to reason with libs is like trying to reason with a blue haired retard that chops their wiener off for fun.... Just can't do it
    I'm not a lib.

    I've voted straight Republican since 1988
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    There has been more than one ruling already.

    There has been federal court rulings where a guy was paralyzed after shooting at cops during a no knock and the cops not announcing themselves.

    No charges for shooting at them.

    No charges for BTs boyfriend in this case for shooting at cops.


    If cops don't announce and ID themselves and come in your house they can be treated like any other intruder.


    The Marine in phx where the cops raided the wrong house ... Or that time the cops threw a flashbang into a baby's crib..... that chit makes my blood boil... But they said in this case the cops DID announce themselves
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    There has been more than one ruling already.

    There has been federal court rulings where a guy was paralyzed after shooting at cops during a no knock and the cops not announcing themselves.

    No charges for shooting at them.

    No charges for BTs boyfriend in this case for shooting at cops.


    If cops don't announce and ID themselves and come in your house they can be treated like any other intruder.
    These people are human. Do you honestly expect the literally hundreds of millions of police-criminal interactions to go perfectly everytime?

    Are you perfect in your job when deal with inatimate objects like furniture?

    Yet you expect police to be when dealing with psychopaths, criminals, and people who could give a F about life on a daily. basis?

    The fact that only 9 unarmed black men were killed last year by police, 7 of whom were resisting arrest without a gun, is to me astounding when considering there are 400 million police-citizen interactions and that many of those citizens are pure criminals.

    Why don't you go live in ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and say what you are now about US police, and then say how bad US police are.


    Your outright hatred for police isn't just strange, its psychotic.


    Why don't you defund the police in your city and then tell us how safe your sons are from the dirty underground of our country.

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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja View Post
    The main issue is that every time they kick the wrong door and kill someone, literally nothing happens to them - zero consequences. Either hold them accountable, or stop executing no-knock warrants.

    @memcop, outside of hostage situations or situations where there is imminent threat of loss of life, admit that police could easily wait these people out in nearly every case. It's not *the only* way to do it.

    That aside, hopefully the cops mag dump these rioting animals.

    This. The fact they do no knock door kicks for drugs is a prime example of "my safety is more important than yours" and when nobody is held accountable a prime example of "my life matters more because my job is dangerous" used to be a saying "better to let 100 guilty go than punish an innocent"..... That seems to have been thrown out the window
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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
    This. The fact they do no knock door kicks for drugs is a prime example of "my safety is more important than yours" and when nobody is held accountable a prime example of "my life matters more because my job is dangerous" used to be a saying "better to let 100 guilty go than punish an innocent"..... That seems to have been thrown out the window
    Yeah but law though lol

    Feels need to be removed and each and every instance, as unique as it is, should be judged on the merits.

    This case in particular gets more fair examination of facts than most.

    No knock door "kicks" is entirely besides the point and complete bait biting on irrelevant bull****.
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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
    The Marine in phx where the cops raided the wrong house ... Or that time the cops threw a flashbang into a baby's crib..... that chit makes my blood boil... But they said in this case the cops DID announce themselves

    Virginia federal court ruling delt with the paralyzed guy.

    I'll have to go find it Friday
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    Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja View Post
    The main issue is that every time they kick the wrong door and kill someone, literally nothing happens to them - zero consequences. Either hold them accountable, or stop executing no-knock warrants.

    @memcop, outside of hostage situations or situations where there is imminent threat of loss of life, admit that police could easily wait these people out in nearly every case. It's not *the only* way to do it.

    That aside, hopefully the cops mag dump these rioting animals.
    No. Evidence and civility is at stake. Your street would be over run with crime if criminal drug syndicates are able to keep profiting without repercussion. I get the theory but how do you stop an enterprise like that.

    And fyi outside of drug nonsense that is already how it works. We wait and serve the warrant when optimal for safety. Drugs are highly mobile, easily disposable, and fund domestic terrorism at every level. Every murder in the streets is based off of what we already cannot stop.
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    Funny how so many people can talk about “muh rights” and defend no knock warrants just ****ing LOL
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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
    The Marine in phx where the cops raided the wrong house ... Or that time the cops threw a flashbang into a baby's crib..... that chit makes my blood boil... But they said in this case the cops DID announce themselves
    All unfortunate and settled through the courts. Not everything is criminal in nature. I do agree that incompetence should be criminal such as hitting the wrong house but how do you write that law? What does it say?
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    These people are human. Do you honestly expect the literally hundreds of millions of police-criminal interactions to go perfectly everytime?

    Are you perfect in your job when deal with inatimate objects like furniture?

    Yet you expect police to be when dealing with psychopaths, criminals, and people who could give a F about life on a daily. basis?

    The fact that only 9 unarmed black men were killed last year by police, 7 of whom were resisting arrest without a gun, is to me astounding when considering there are 400 million police-citizen interactions and that many of those citizens are pure criminals.

    Why don't you go live in ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and say what you are now about US police, and then say how bad US police are.


    Your outright hatred for police isn't just strange, its psychotic.


    Why don't you defund the police in your city and then tell us how safe your sons are from the dirty underground of our country.

    You expect everyone to be perfect but yourself.
    I don't want to defund or abolish police.

    The fact is unlike my job if a police officer makes a mistake with an innocent person he destroys a life.

    That's the difference. They don't have to kill someone to destroy them. The guy arrested for donut sugar lost his job. Now as a felony arrest on his record. Had tons of legal fees.

    Stuff like that happens all the time. Cops often misunderstand laws and wrongfully arrest people.

    Should there not be repercussions for that?
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    Originally Posted by Jaroctor View Post
    Funny how so many people can talk about “muh rights” and defend no knock warrants just ****ing LOL
    Your post is inverted on itself. Its literally a constitutional exception to search and protect all involved.

    Before they got eliminated in most places they were extremely hard to get. Now other places that were more easy to obtain were garbage.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    I don't want to defund or abolish police.

    The fact is unlike my job if a police officer makes a mistake with an innocent person he destroys a life.

    That's the difference. They don't have to kill someone to destroy them. The guy arrested for donut sugar lost his job. Now as a felony arrest on his record. Had tons of legal fees.

    Stuff like that happens all the time. Cops often misunderstand laws and wrongfully arrest people.

    Should there not be repercussions for that?
    Was he paid for his troubles?
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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    Was he paid for his troubles?

    Just being paid is not enough.

    There should be criminal punishment for the cop.

    No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.


    Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.


    If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    Just being paid is not enough.

    There should be criminal punishment for the cop.

    No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.


    Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.


    If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
    So vengeance?

    A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.

    Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.

    As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.

    Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.

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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    All unfortunate and settled through the courts. Not everything is criminal in nature. I do agree that incompetence should be criminal such as hitting the wrong house but how do you write that law? What does it say?
    Ya, I guess like everything in life nothing is or can be PERFECT including our law enforcement system. I think for the most part it's good, if your not committing a crime, and carry yourself with dignity and respect, and treat the police with respect, then you won't have a terrible time (unless your the small percentage). But i definitely think body cams are a no brainier and should be mandatory, for your safety and mine



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    So vengeance?

    A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.

    Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.

    As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.

    Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.

    Yes being paid is enough. It's the law.
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    I'll be back tomorrow. I have a long day tomorrow.
    So what would your solution to these problems be? What would be your biggest change to the law enforcement community?
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    Originally Posted by leoslayer1 View Post
    Just being paid is not enough.

    There should be criminal punishment for the cop.

    No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.


    Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.


    If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
    Give me specific examples.

    If a cop walks up to a complete bystander and shoots them in the head, just like many blacks have done to whites the past few months? Yes they should be charged.


    But here is the thing....cops don't do that do they?

    If the black criminal is resisting arrest and gets shot? No, there should be no charges.

    In the case of Taylor.....her bf shot first. She was an innocent bystander and it is unfortunate that she was shot. But lets face it, she lived and dealt in a drug criminal world and if she hadn't? None of this would have happened. And as far as the cop shooting her? She was in a house where someone was shooting at the police and she was caught in the crossfire. It is sad yes.

    Criminal? No.

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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
    Ya, I guess like everything in life nothing is or can be PERFECT including our law enforcement system. I think for the most part it's good, if your not committing a crime, and carry yourself with dignity and respect, and treat the police with respect, then you won't have a terrible time (unless your the small percentage). But i definitely think body cams are a no brainier and should be mandatory, for your safety and mine



    Edit: I'd also like to thank you for your service on the misc, there's not many avenues for one to have this conversation with an actual LEO
    No worries. While slayer isn't slaying, hes the pivot man at the center of this circle jerk that brings us together.

    Double agree on body cameras. Before we had them we would regularly have 600 IA cases open (large department). Afterwards we have 100 annually on average and those are opened due to other observed behaviors that warrants investigation and are usually petty in nature (procedural).

    It is much more helpful to officers and the courts and gives levels of transparency that should have changed police perception. However it amplified the poor behavior of citizens and rocketed cases through the criminal justice system. Hardly any patrol level guys have to testify. No tears, only guilty pleas now.

    Firm case of cognitive dissonance after body cameras. Too easy to examine a certain case as they all have their own facts. Nope. Now it's the whole system that is corrupt. Pfft
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    Originally Posted by OptimistPrime11 View Post
    Give me specific examples.

    If a cop walks up to a complete bystander and shoots them in the head, just like many blacks have done to whites the past few months? Yes they should be charged.


    But here is the thing....cops don't do that do they?

    If the black criminal is resisting arrest and gets shot? No, there should be no charges.

    In the case of Taylor.....her bf shot first. She was an innocent bystander and it is unfortunate that she was shot. But lets face it, she lived and dealt in a drug criminal world and if she hadn't? None of this would have happened. And as far as the cop shooting her? She was in a house where someone was shooting at the police and she was caught in the crossfire. It is sad yes.

    Criminal? No.

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    Originally Posted by PISTELERO View Post
    This. The fact they do no knock door kicks for drugs is a prime example of "my safety is more important than yours" and when nobody is held accountable a prime example of "my life matters more because my job is dangerous" used to be a saying "better to let 100 guilty go than punish an innocent"..... That seems to have been thrown out the window
    Perhaps the drug dealers shouldnt have guns. I will never understand why so many of you people think that you can break the law and be 100% fine. Theres a wide range of **** that can happen to you so the BEST thing to do is Dont break the fxuking law. Its amazing the lack of accountability.
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