Anyone Here Support 3rd Position or Fascist Political Philosophy?

[BetaAsPhuck]

For the past few years, I've been on and off listening to and reading a bit about 3rd Position and Fascist political philosophy. And whilst they have brilliant critiques of Capitalism, Marxism, Materialism, and Individualism, I could never get my head around why they thought a literal dictatorship government structure is a good idea. Every system can be gamed, and as soon as a Narcissistic dictator (and his friends) replaces a benevolent one, it becomes another North Korea.

Seeing as most 3rd Position or Fascists seem to be against the separation of government power into legislative, executive, and judicial branches, can you guys explain what would be in place, to prevent the system from becoming another North Korea?

(Note: I'm also opposed to Fascism due to the imperialism and militarism inherent in the political philosophy.)

For any curious lurker who clicked on this thread, and doesn't know what 3d position or Fascist philosophy is...



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[Dave22reborn]

I'd say every leftist thst post here is a closet fascist. As well as those who post on other social media platforms.

[Jayarbie]

Third Position pretty much describes the Trump cult to a tee and would be probably 2/3 of the people here on MiscFront.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Third Position pretty much describes the Trump cult to a tee and would be probably 2/3 of the people here on MiscFront.

Only the Nationalist and Nativist aspects of it.

Trump and his supporters are pro-capitalism, and seemingly pro-individualism.

[ghostfacedup]

Third Position pretty much describes the Trump cult to a tee and would be probably 2/3 of the people here on MiscFront.

lol herr derr Trump cult! TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, thanks for trying to ruin thread.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Bump.

[KhaosRises]

I'd say every leftist thst post here is a closet fascist. As well as those who post on other social media platforms.

Fascism is a right wing ideology. Read books, you dumb *******.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Fascism is a right wing ideology. Read books, you dumb *******.

Fascists themselves argue that it's a 3rd position political philsophy, meaning it doesn't fit into the traditional left or right paradigm. I can see why they argue that...


Authoritarianism/Totalitarianism can be part of left or right wing political philosophies or governments.

Militarism and Imperialism can be part of left or right wing political philosophies or governments.

A mixed economic theory isn't exclusive to left nor right.

Nationalism is neither left nor right. Thomas Sankara was definitely an Economic Nationalist, and there is Nationalism amongst the left wing in Scotland, etc.

Conservatism is arguably only right wing in the West, but Conservatism has been a part of the left wing in places like Latin American governments that are cultural Conservatives but left wing in every other respect. Baathism is left wing and is culturally conservative.

Collectivism is neither right nor left wing.

etc.

[davik]

Fascism is a right wing ideology. Read books, you dumb *******.

no it isnt lmao. thats literally why it is called THIRD position. it is outside the dialectic

[davik]

i think it is mostly a larp, but the theory and criticisms are interesting

[Dave22reborn]

Fascism is a right wing ideology. Read books, you dumb *******.

The more further right you go, the more libertarian you become. Guess again fascist.

[KhaosRises]

The more further right you go, the more libertarian you become. Guess again fascist.

Are you stupid? Libertarian is anti-authoritarianism and anti-state socialism. Libertarian is the closest thing to Anarchism. We believe in civil liberties. Right and left wing are for authoritarianism you dumb fuk lol

[Dave22reborn]

Are you stupid? Libertarian is anti-authoritarianism and anti-state socialism. Libertarian is the closest thing to Anarchism. We believe in civil liberties. Right and left wing are for authoritarianism you dumb fuk lol

You believe those on the right support big government?

[BigElephant]

Yeah it only works with a benevolent dictator or a hypothetical AI ruler. Even then **** gets screwed up. People get assassinated, benevolent dictator gets manipulated and chooses a poor successor, et cetera. In the case of the AI, how do you program something that cannot be corrupted, and how do you trust the people programming it to not include their own political biases?

[Mike86er]

Bump.

Wouldn’t have guessed another Miscer had heard of Thomas Sankara. Outlawed female genital mutilation and forced marriage. Was a major proponent of literacy in Burkina Faso, especially for women who he encouraged to be greater represented in government. Loved his country too.

Generally I have no love whatsoever for communists but I genuinely consider Thomas Sankara to be one of the greatest people of the last century. Truly a remarkable guy, especially when you consider he was only 37 when he was killed.

On spread with you unfortunately.

[davik]

Wouldn’t have guessed another Miscer had heard of Thomas Sankara. Outlawed female genital mutilation and forced marriage. Was a major proponent of literacy in Burkina Faso, especially for women who he encouraged to be greater represented in government. Loved his country too.

Generally I have no love whatsoever for communists but I genuinely consider Thomas Sankara to be one of the greatest people of the last century. Truly a remarkable guy, especially when you consider he was only 37 when he was killed.

On spread with you unfortunately.

did he upset the bankers?

[MirinCanadian99]

I used to follow the 3rd position principles and truly believed they worked until I did some research and found out that they were nothing but Socialism in disguise. National/Ethnic Socialism to be more precise. Same chit just a different coating and usually nations who have adopted these principles ended up going broke. This is why they 99% of the time resort to war.

For example Italy during the 1920's experienced huge economic growth but this was mainly fueled via Government money. Yeah Italy became a proud nation but at what cost? In the early 30's things were already starting to crack and Mussolini had to find an scape goat. He invaded Ethiopia and this helped him fill his coffers a bit. He takes over Albania but Albania's leader fled with a large portion of the Gold so Italy was headed towards economic ruin. Lucky for Birdolini, moustache man started WW2 and all debts were put on hold as Governments nationalized the economies completely for the war effort.

Same thing with Nazi Germany. They adopt their 3rd position principles and a mere 5 years later he's forced to annex Austria. Loots their gold and a mere year later he has to gobble up Czechoslovakia. A few months later he asks for Danzig because Hitler is broke and can't support his socialism. Luckily for us the world didn't cuck and Europe was saved from being looted by Hitler and his Germanic ideals.

In the case of Thomas Sankara, he took over a poor African nation and did what every dictator does. Build, build and build some more. He ran the economy into the ground relatively quickly and any sane Burkina Faso folks will tell you that he was nothing more than a dictator living off of fumes. He was a Pan-African I.e. he believes Africa belongs only to Africans. Which means only Black Africans. He got ousted before we saw the whole rotten structure come down so I'll end it here.

There's this idea that all Empires were this homogeneous State which conquered other people. In reality, all of the most successful Empires were diverse and cherished these differences. There's a reason Greek collapsed and Rome lasted for so long. There's a reason the Ottoman Empire was so successful and there's a reason Russia was so strong. Whilst some of these nations sometimes crushed ethnic sentiments of freedom they still left their minorities alone and they were a mix mash of cultures. History especially European and African history is a mix mash of different ideals. Hell Rome had a North African Emperor once and there was an Ethiopian soldier in England during the Roman times.
The 3rd position is nothing but a bunch of White Nationalists/Black Nationalists acting like they are not nationalists and or socialists. These people have simply changed their tactics and now use colorful images of their past to support this idea that Ethnic Socialism is a good thing. It's not and we can see that. The USA is what it is today because it is the melting pot. Mexico is a chithole because they formed a single identity. It is what it is tho. National Socialists are always gonna exist and Pan-African losers will always exist.

We gotta stop acting as if Europe, Africa, Asia, America, and Australia are these monolithic places with one common heritage. Hell just a few decades ago Germans and Poles were fierce enemies and now they're buddies.

[BetaAsPhuck]

I used to follow the 3rd position principles and truly believed they worked until I did some research and found out that they were nothing but Socialism in disguise.

What authors did you read that lead you to the 3rd position?

In the case of Thomas Sankara, he took over a poor African nation and did what every dictator does. Build, build and build some more. He ran the economy into the ground relatively quickly and any sane Burkina Faso folks will tell you that he was nothing more than a dictator living off of fumes. He was a Pan-African I.e. he believes Africa belongs only to Africans. Which means only Black Africans. He got ousted before we saw the whole rotten structure come down so I'll end it here.

Where are you getting your history of Burkino Faso from?

The 3rd position is nothing but a bunch of White Nationalists/Black Nationalists acting like they are not nationalists and or socialists.

I don't know what 3rd positionists you followed, but they are very open about what they believe, IME.

These people have simply changed their tactics and now use colorful images of their past to support this idea that Ethnic Socialism is a good thing. It's not and we can see that. The USA is what it is today because it is the melting pot.

How is that the cause?

Also, are you aware that there are American 3rd positionists who are not ethno/race nationalists? Like the American Blackshirts?

Mexico is a chithole because they formed a single identity. It is what it is tho.

How is that the cause?

We gotta stop acting as if Europe, Africa, Asia, America, and Australia are these monolithic places with one common heritage. Hell just a few decades ago Germans and Poles were fierce enemies and now they're buddies.

Race Nationalism =/= Ethno Nationalism.

I've noticed that North Americans conflate the 2.

[davik]

There's this idea that all Empires were this homogeneous State which conquered other people. In reality, all of the most successful Empires were diverse and cherished these differences. There's a reason Greek collapsed and Rome lasted for so long. There's a reason the Ottoman Empire was so successful and there's a reason Russia was so strong. Whilst some of these nations sometimes crushed ethnic sentiments of freedom they still left their minorities alone and they were a mix mash of cultures. History especially European and African history is a mix mash of different ideals. Hell Rome had a North African Emperor once and there was an Ethiopian soldier in England during the Roman times.

lost me at these points. today its a great replacement, not the odd exceptional minority coming to a place of power. those nations never lost their identities whereas today, nation is being annexed by the globe. usa is failing as a 'melting pot', as well.

[BetaAsPhuck]

did he upset the bankers?

Yes.

He rejected French foreign aid that had was given to the country post independence. Under his management the country achieved agricultural self-sufficiency in under 4 years, and he made speeches talking about how he implements Economic Nationalism in his country, and advises other African nations to do the same.

Then he got assasinated by his best friend since childhood, and 'coincidentally' he became the dictator of the nation, and the foreign aid from France began pouring in again.

[BetaAsPhuck]

usa is failing as a 'melting pot', as well.

That sounds true, tbh.

Singapore is the country example to diversity is working, where Han Chinese, Malays, and Indians live together in the nation.

[DDSF1]

Fascism is a left wing ideology. It is a socialist political philosophy—or better put, a reaction to the perceived weakness and inadequacy of standard socialism. So, in a way, a reformed and attempt at perfecting socialism.

It was the dominant form of Italian national socialism. Similar to how nazism became the dominant German nation socialism. Both were a specific parties political and social theory and in both cases they won out against other national and international socialist parties.

Fascism is very Hegelian(Neo) based versus nazism which was more German Romantic and German Idealist based (broadly and in concert with Romanticism and medieval mythos).

Here is the “philosopher of fascism,” Giovanni Gentile, who was Mussolini’s minister of education for a few years early on. I am not a big fan of Wikipedia but it will do for a start:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile

[DukeOfWoodBerry]

lost me at these points. today its a great replacement, not the odd exceptional minority coming to a place of power. those nations never lost their identities whereas today, nation is being annexed by the globe. usa is failing as a 'melting pot', as well.

USA was never really a melting pot unless you want to call it a European melting pot. Always came across to me as a propaganda term. Uneducated or disingenuous people like to argue America has always been diverse, but that's a very recent trend. Historically, America has been a white European country. America was 88% white as recently as 1970.

[davik]

USA was never really a melting pot unless you want to call it a European melting pot. Always came across to me as a propaganda term. Uneducated or disingenuous people like to argue America has always been diverse, but that's a very recent trend. Historically, America has been a white European country. America was 88% white as recently as 1970.

yeah i was thinking exactly that. it was always euro.

[DukeOfWoodBerry]

yeah i was thinking exactly that. it was always euro.

Not to derail the thread too much because it's an interesting topic, but the media and schools like to put out propaganda about America's diverse history that just isn't true. Like I said, America was 88% white as recently as 1970. And the vast majority of the 12% non whites were blacks who were the descendants of slaves. The populace didn't really chose to let them immigrate here or become citizens, they certainly weren't allowing any additional Africans to come. The amount of Asians and Hispanics here were minuscule. You had to be European to come.

So melting pot is just not accurate unless you're referring to it as a European melting pot, much different than today. It's a big pet peeve of mine when people try to misrepresent American history to fit their narrative which happens all the time on topics like diversity.

[Latinowarrior3]

I used to follow the 3rd position principles and truly believed they worked until I did some research and found out that they were nothing but Socialism in disguise. National/Ethnic Socialism to be more precise. Same chit just a different coating and usually nations who have adopted these principles ended up going broke. This is why they 99% of the time resort to war.

For example Italy during the 1920's experienced huge economic growth but this was mainly fueled via Government money. Yeah Italy became a proud nation but at what cost? In the early 30's things were already starting to crack and Mussolini had to find an scape goat. He invaded Ethiopia and this helped him fill his coffers a bit. He takes over Albania but Albania's leader fled with a large portion of the Gold so Italy was headed towards economic ruin. Lucky for Birdolini, moustache man started WW2 and all debts were put on hold as Governments nationalized the economies completely for the war effort.

Same thing with Nazi Germany. They adopt their 3rd position principles and a mere 5 years later he's forced to annex Austria. Loots their gold and a mere year later he has to gobble up Czechoslovakia. A few months later he asks for Danzig because Hitler is broke and can't support his socialism. Luckily for us the world didn't cuck and Europe was saved from being looted by Hitler and his Germanic ideals.

In the case of Thomas Sankara, he took over a poor African nation and did what every dictator does. Build, build and build some more. He ran the economy into the ground relatively quickly and any sane Burkina Faso folks will tell you that he was nothing more than a dictator living off of fumes. He was a Pan-African I.e. he believes Africa belongs only to Africans. Which means only Black Africans. He got ousted before we saw the whole rotten structure come down so I'll end it here.

There's this idea that all Empires were this homogeneous State which conquered other people. In reality, all of the most successful Empires were diverse and cherished these differences. There's a reason Greek collapsed and Rome lasted for so long. There's a reason the Ottoman Empire was so successful and there's a reason Russia was so strong. Whilst some of these nations sometimes crushed ethnic sentiments of freedom they still left their minorities alone and they were a mix mash of cultures. History especially European and African history is a mix mash of different ideals. Hell Rome had a North African Emperor once and there was an Ethiopian soldier in England during the Roman times.
The 3rd position is nothing but a bunch of White Nationalists/Black Nationalists acting like they are not nationalists and or socialists. These people have simply changed their tactics and now use colorful images of their past to support this idea that Ethnic Socialism is a good thing. It's not and we can see that. The USA is what it is today because it is the melting pot. Mexico is a chithole because they formed a single identity. It is what it is tho. National Socialists are always gonna exist and Pan-African losers will always exist.

We gotta stop acting as if Europe, Africa, Asia, America, and Australia are these monolithic places with one common heritage. Hell just a few decades ago Germans and Poles were fierce enemies and now they're buddies.

Hey, I'm back. Forgot the password of my original account.

You are of course still saying hilariously wrong things.

First, comparing different peoples and their countries against the same standard of success is irrelevant. The hoax of Germany choosing to invade other countries because they were suffering is historically false. National Socialism brought Germany back to life after a world war that they lost. The reality is that they tried very hard to not invade countries unless those countries were slaughtering Germans in land that was annexed or redrawn after the war.

Sankara, LOL.

The homogeneity of countries are what have historically led to their successes. Diversity extends that success for a limited period of time before it completely destroys it. It's what happened to the Genghis Khan dynasty as well as the Roman empire. This is a fact.

Insults about the 3rd position made while pretending to be smart lead nowhere. There are many arguments that can be made by nationalists and socialists of all colors that are valid. I believe that the two have far more in common than they may believe and their unity is what the establishment fears the most. The whole "fear of a melting pot," thing is juvenile. It plays off the "white nationalist," thing where the media still tells people to believe that white people who want to be left alone are evil. The fact is, there are people of many races that would choose to live among people that look like them over anything else. It's human nature.

[BetaAsPhuck]

100%. The Roman Catholic Church would provide a bulwark against tyranny.

#TeamFranco
#TeamSalazar
#TeamPinochet]

Pinchot was a right-wing dictator, not third position.

He implemented Free Market Capitalism when he got into power, which literally doubled the poverty rate.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Fascism is a left wing ideology. It is a socialist political philosophy—or better put, a reaction to the perceived weakness and inadequacy of standard socialism. So, in a way, a reformed and attempt at perfecting socialism.

It was the dominant form of Italian national socialism. Similar to how nazism became the dominant German nation socialism.

National Socialism is specifically a German form of Fascism, it's a form of Fascism explicitly only for the nation of Germany.

Fascist philosophy has principles, but it's applied contextually. Hence, why even the theory was different for the British Union Of Fascists in comparison, to the Brazilian Integralists, or the Romanian Iron Guard. All 3 were Fascist organizations, but their ideology had clear differences due to the national context being different.

Both were a specific parties political and social theory and in both cases they won out against other national and international socialist parties.

The German economy was not Socialist in it's organization, in fact the actual Socialists within the Nazis party were either killed or exiled during the 'Night Of The Long Knives'. It was a mixed economy, with heavy state oversight. Same with Mussolini's Italy.

[BetaAsPhuck]

The homogeneity of countries are what have historically led to their successes. Diversity extends that success for a limited period of time before it completely destroys it. It's what happened to the Genghis Khan dynasty as well as the Roman empire. This is a fact.

To ascribe the fall of an empire to one single factor, is to grossly oversimplify history. There were many factors regarding the fall of Rome. I've never seen a historian argue that diversity was the cause.

Here is an overview of the things that contributed to the downfall of the Roman Empire...

https://historycollection.com/downfa...ire-collapsed/

https://www.history.com/news/8-reasons-why-rome-fell

[DukeOfWoodBerry]

To ascribe the fall of an empire to one single factor, is to grossly oversimplify history. There were many factors regarding the fall of Rome. I've never seen a historian argue that diversity was the cause.

Here is an overview of the things that contributed to the downfall of the Roman Empire...

https://historycollection.com/downfa...ire-collapsed/

https://www.history.com/news/8-reasons-why-rome-fell

Of course letting in the Goths contributed. I assume that's what he means by diversity. The Roman army also went to chit because it wasn't full of actual Romans anymore.