By far the best argument against universal healthcare in the USA

[chiseledmanbeef]

Liberals: Let's have universal healthcare! Every other western nation does!

Also liberals: Let's bring in millions more dirt-poor immigrants every year!!!1 We're a nation of immigrants!!!111

The intellectual elite, ladies and gentlemen............

LMFAO

[Barteh]

1. USA
1,12 million immigrants
332 milion population
0,33% of their population taken as immigrants every year

10. Sweden
132k immigrants
10,2 million population
1,29% of their population taken as immigrants every year


9. The Netherlands
141k immigrants
17,2 million population
0,82% of their population taken as immigrants every year

The USA takes WAY less immigrants in every year percentage wise then Sweden and the Netherlands. And that's just the first two from your list. Those are two western nations with universal healthcare that works well. So yeah, basically the same article you linked to destroyed your own argument.

To add to that. A lot of the LEGAL immigrants in the USA aren't "dirt poor" like you're describing in your "The intellectual elite lmao" OP which completely misses the mark.

[Antoine99]

Wouldn't this mean that everyone just gets chitty care because you'd need a lot more doctors to see them? Or a waiting list that's like 10 years long?

[semitope]

US foreign born population is kind of funny. considering most people's parents or grand parents etc were born elsewhere anyway. The children of those foreign born population then become native. Its meaningless.

This isn't an argument against universal health care btw. Not sure why you think it does. Those people pay taxes too.

[ltsOgre]

Thats 0.3% of the population, a drop in the bucket. We need single payer, single provider healthcare in the US.

[tunejunkie]

Just lol at UHC and waiting 2 months to get an MRI

[chiseledmanbeef]

1. USA
1,12 million immigrants
332 milion population
0,33% of their population taken as immigrants every year

10. Sweden
132k immigrants
10,2 million population
1,29% of their population taken as immigrants every year


9. The Netherlands
141k immigrants
17,2 million population
0,82% of their population taken as immigrants every year

The USA takes WAY less immigrants in every year percentage wise then Sweden and the Netherlands. And that's just the first two from your list. Those are two western nations with universal healthcare that works well. So yeah, basically the same article you linked to destroyed your own argument.

To add to that. A lot of the LEGAL immigrants in the USA aren't "dirt poor" like you're describing in your "The intellectual elite lmao" OP which completely misses the mark.

lol retards gonna retard. Literally everyone there pays high taxes and your healthcare systems still get worse each year. This thread is about the USA, where the few provide for the many.

[RicardoBest]

how about we stop giving insurance companies mini monopolies through legislation

[Jhamaican]

1. USA
1,12 million immigrants
332 milion population
0,33% of their population taken as immigrants every year

10. Sweden
132k immigrants
10,2 million population
1,29% of their population taken as immigrants every year


9. The Netherlands
141k immigrants
17,2 million population
0,82% of their population taken as immigrants every year

The USA takes WAY less immigrants in every year percentage wise then Sweden and the Netherlands. And that's just the first two from your list. Those are two western nations with universal healthcare that works well. So yeah, basically the same article you linked to destroyed your own argument.

To add to that. A lot of the LEGAL immigrants in the USA aren't "dirt poor" like you're describing in your "The intellectual elite lmao" OP which completely misses the mark.

define works well.

what are the tax burdens in those coutries

don't be an idiot

[MyLastSerenade]

We need to figure out something. The costs are astronomical. It’s also not a good thing to have people filing bankruptcy due to medical bills and then drive by these huge medical “cities” that are being built.

Wouldn't this mean that everyone just gets chitty care because you'd need a lot more doctors to see them? Or a waiting list that's like 10 years long?

You basically just said, “only people with money should see a doctor”.



I’m a right sided person on most issues but this one is not an easy answer.

[WoofieNugget]

Just lol at UHC and waiting 2 months to get an MRI

Two months is fast compared to Canada. Although people aren't proactive about it. Usually six months wait but if you simply call and ask for a cancellation slot they will do it within days.

We can also choose to pay in Quebec and get it the next day if we want.

And I gladly pay higher taxes to be able to not even worry about paying for treatment for serious illness. Having to worry about medical bankruptcy is ridiculous.

[ThePD]

Thats 0.3% of the population, a drop in the bucket. We need single payer, single provider healthcare in the US.

As a canadian...single payer is ****.

"Free" doesn't mean good.

[JoshSP1985]

Wouldn't this mean that everyone just gets chitty care because you'd need a lot more doctors to see them? Or a waiting list that's like 10 years long?

Yes, and we already have a physician shortage.

[JoshSP1985]

As a canadian...single payer is ****.

"Free" doesn't mean good.

Free also doesn't mean free

[leafs43]

If universal healthcare was so great, individual states would adopt it.

Why do you think they are going around the states and going right to the federal gov't? Because the federal gov't can print money to make it seem like universal healthcare would work.

[scheal]

1. USA
1,12 million immigrants
332 milion population
0,33% of their population taken as immigrants every year

10. Sweden
132k immigrants
10,2 million population
1,29% of their population taken as immigrants every year


9. The Netherlands
141k immigrants
17,2 million population
0,82% of their population taken as immigrants every year

The USA takes WAY less immigrants in every year percentage wise then Sweden and the Netherlands. And that's just the first two from your list. Those are two western nations with universal healthcare that works well. So yeah, basically the same article you linked to destroyed your own argument.

To add to that. A lot of the LEGAL immigrants in the USA aren't "dirt poor" like you're describing in your "The intellectual elite lmao" OP which completely misses the mark.

What are the taxes in Sweden?

Why should illegals get anything free?

[Godfrd824]

Universal healthcare is already a thing in the US. It's called medicare/medicaid/charity care.

[JoshSP1985]

Universal healthcare is already a thing in the US. It's called medicare/medicaid/charity care.

Also can't be refused emergency service regardless of ability to pay and in the case needed can shed all medical cost burdens with bankruptcy

[rhadam]

If universal healthcare was so great, individual states would adopt it.

Why do you think they are going around the states and going right to the federal gov't? Because the federal gov't can print money to make it seem like universal healthcare would work.

Interesting point: can individual states enact their own version of universal health care?

[leafs43]

Interesting point: can individual states enact their own version of universal health care?

They'd probably run into issues with the interstate commerce clause trying to price fix medication, but in the 90s Tennessee tried it and it failed miserably.

[Godfrd824]

Also can't be refused emergency service regardless of ability to pay and in the case needed can shed all medical cost burdens with bankruptcy

The fact of the matter is, if you're poor, and you're proactive, you can get medical care in the US with little to no out of pocket cost.

[tunejunkie]

Two months is fast compared to Canada. Although people aren't proactive about it. Usually six months wait but if you simply call and ask for a cancellation slot they will do it within days.

We can also choose to pay in Quebec and get it the next day if we want.

And I gladly pay higher taxes to be able to not even worry about paying for treatment for serious illness. Having to worry about medical bankruptcy is ridiculous.

That’s insane. Will they push you through if it’s a life-saving need?

Also that’s nuts. 6 months. I tore my pec and all the docs said the sooner you fix it the better chance of success. I can’t imagine waiting 6 months to even get the results of if it’s torn or not, only to find out ive missed the window of best chances of fixing it properly.

[Boxman]

define works well.

what are the tax burdens in those coutries

don't be an idiot

No more than our tax burden, when you factor in how much more we pay for healthcare through insurance premiums, deductibles and out of pocket costs. We both (Americans and Europeans) end up with the same effective tax burden, only some of us get lucky and work for the government or generous companies that provide decent insurance for free.

The European way ends up being cheaper when you factor in the advantage of free preventative care. Making preventative care free is a huge savings overall.

[Barteh]

lol retards gonna retard. Literally everyone there pays high taxes and your healthcare systems still get worse each year. This thread is about the USA, where the few provide for the many.

Best argument against healthcare: too many immigrants
Argument gets destroyed completely
Yeah but taxes and the system is there doesn't work.

So I guess the real best argument is that it's too expensive? You backed up real quick there.

Also LOL @ "this thread is about the USA" when you're comparing it western countries in the OP. How do you get completely destroyed and then call the person who destroys you a retard.

define works well.

what are the tax burdens in those coutries

don't be an idiot

20% VAT, up to 50% income tax. Yeah it's very expensive. I was just destroying OP's argument because I found it ironic that he's talking about "by far the best argument" and it's actually complete chit and untrue. It might or might not work in the USA but the relatively LOWER amount of yearly immigrants is not the reason why it wouldn't work.

What are the taxes in Sweden?

Why should illegals get anything free?

Nobody is talking about illegals ODBM. Calm down.

[kingmanaverage]

Best argument against healthcare: too many immigrants
Argument gets destroyed completely
Yeah but taxes and the system is ****.

So I guess the real best argument is that it's too expensive? You backed up real quick there.

The US also spends more than the Netherlands and Sweden per capita which kinda ruins the it's too expensive argument too.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...healthcare.asp

[Barteh]

The US also spends more than the Netherlands and Sweden per capita which kinda ruins the it's too expensive argument too.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...healthcare.asp

Ouch. So not sure what arguments they would have left.

Quality? For the few rich who can afford it because accessibility for the general population is chit. Ironically we Europeans have access to the same quality of healthcare because if I'm rich enough and the best doctor in a certain field has a clinic in the USA. Guess what? I'm going there.

[Godfrd824]

Ouch. So not sure what arguments they would have left.

Quality? For the few rich who can afford it because accessibility for the general population is chit. Ironically we Europeans have access to the same quality of healthcare because if I'm rich enough and the best doctor in a certain field has a clinic in the USA. Guess what? I'm going there.

I'm not rich, where I live I'm pretty average for someone my age. Yet I can get any type of care I want with no wait, and no bureaucracy. My health insurance has no deductibles, and no lifetime max.

[RIKTER]

1. USA
1,12 million immigrants
332 milion population
0,33% of their population taken as immigrants every year

10. Sweden
132k immigrants
10,2 million population
1,29% of their population taken as immigrants every year


9. The Netherlands
141k immigrants
17,2 million population
0,82% of their population taken as immigrants every year

The USA takes WAY less immigrants in every year percentage wise then Sweden and the Netherlands. And that's just the first two from your list. Those are two western nations with universal healthcare that works well. So yeah, basically the same article you linked to destroyed your own argument.

To add to that. A lot of the LEGAL immigrants in the USA aren't "dirt poor" like you're describing in your "The intellectual elite lmao" OP which completely misses the mark.

Welfare use varies among immigrant groups. Households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico (73 percent), the Caribbean (51 percent), and Africa (48 percent) have the highest overall welfare use. Those from East Asia (32 percent), Europe (26 percent), and South Asia (17 percent) have the lowest.

You have to remember, our whole immigration system is comprised of chain migration meaning it basically consists of who's one uncle is.

We also have upwards of 20 million illegals with another million coming in every year.

[chiseledmanbeef]

Best argument against healthcare: too many immigrants
Argument gets destroyed completely
Yeah but taxes and the system is there doesn't work.

So I guess the real best argument is that it's too expensive? You backed up real quick there.

Also LOL @ "this thread is about the USA" when you're comparing it western countries in the OP. How do you get completely destroyed and then call the person who destroys you a retard.



20% VAT, up to 50% income tax. Yeah it's very expensive. I was just destroying OP's argument because I found it ironic that he's talking about "by far the best argument" and it's actually complete chit and untrue. It might or might not work in the USA but the relatively LOWER amount of yearly immigrants is not the reason why it wouldn't work.



Nobody is talking about illegals ODBM. Calm down.

You seem confused. How is adding millions of poor immigrants to the US population not directly related to affordability? It's literally all about affordability. SMH low IQs gonna low IQ

[chiseledmanbeef]

The US also spends more than the Netherlands and Sweden per capita which kinda ruins the it's too expensive argument too.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...healthcare.asp

The person you're voting for disagrees.

Biden suggests he would veto ‘Medicare for All’ over its price tag

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/bide...on-health.html

What's it like going through life with a middle school education?