Reply
Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Kanye West 2020 🇺🇸 alec935's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2020
    Posts: 235
    Rep Power: 483
    alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    alec935 is offline

    I'm cutting and gaining strength

    Been cutting fairly aggressively for almost a week now and although I'm pretty sore everyday, my strength is still going up. My bench and row went up a few lbs, my shrug a bit more

    Unless it's just neural adaptations then I'm pretty sure I'm still gaining muscle in a >500 deficit. Just wanted to comment on this because I see a lot of "eat big to get big" and "it's impossible to gain muscle in a deficit" posts.

    I think you guys that can only gain in a surplus are simply more advanced lifters than most people.
    “The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." — Qui-Gon Jinn
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Registered User EliKoehn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Age: 50
    Posts: 385
    Rep Power: 3377
    EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    EliKoehn is offline
    Originally Posted by alec935 View Post
    Been cutting fairly aggressively for almost a week now and although I'm pretty sore everyday, my strength is still going up. My bench and row went up a few lbs, my shrug a bit more

    Unless it's just neural adaptations then I'm pretty sure I'm still gaining muscle in a >500 deficit. Just wanted to comment on this because I see a lot of "eat big to get big" and "it's impossible to gain muscle in a deficit" posts.

    I think you guys that can only gain in a surplus are simply more advanced lifters than most people.
    Nice job.

    Have you also changed your training approach in a way that would significantly affect this, like forgoing high volume sessions?
    Bench: 315
    Squat: 315
    Deadlift: 475

    "... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User snailsrus's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2016
    Age: 29
    Posts: 5,990
    Rep Power: 83843
    snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) snailsrus has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    snailsrus is offline
    How new to lifting are you? Also, don’t recommend trying to pr twice a week when cutting and a better judgement is to see where your strengths is once you’ve lost some body fat and still are cutting. A week is also not a very good measurement of time amount to judge if strength has changed
    Last edited by snailsrus; 09-18-2020 at 08:57 PM.
    Insta is username snails.r.us
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Kanye West 2020 🇺🇸 alec935's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2020
    Posts: 235
    Rep Power: 483
    alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250) alec935 has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    alec935 is offline
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Nice job.

    Have you also changed your training approach in a way that would significantly affect this, like forgoing high volume sessions?
    Not intentionally, but I find that I do tend burn out more quickly, even if my strength is there on the first few sets.

    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    How new to lifting are you? Also, don’t recommend trying to pr twice a week when cutting and a better judgement is to see were your strengths at once you’ve lost some body fat and still are cutting. A week is also not a very good measurement of time amount to judge if strength has changed
    Pretty new. Technically I've been lifting for over a year but much of that was garbage which I wouldn't consider lifting (rarely going to the gym, barely eating any protein).
    My "PRs" are in a 6-12 rep range, not 1RMs (not sure if strength was the right word). I usually make progress on at least one of my lifts weekly, that's why I'm judging based on a short timeframe
    “The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." — Qui-Gon Jinn
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User EliKoehn's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2019
    Age: 50
    Posts: 385
    Rep Power: 3377
    EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) EliKoehn is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    EliKoehn is offline
    Well in that case, you should expect to see considerable progress as a beginner anyway, even if you're eating at a deficit. You'll have "newbie gains" where you'll see consistently forthcoming improvement for the another year or so most likely, if you remain dedicated and train seriously.
    Bench: 315
    Squat: 315
    Deadlift: 475

    "... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Registered User Strawng's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2016
    Age: 26
    Posts: 2,931
    Rep Power: 56138
    Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Strawng has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Strawng is online now
    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Well in that case, you should expect to see considerable progress as a beginner anyway, even if you're eating at a deficit. You'll have "newbie gains" where you'll see consistently forthcoming improvement for the another year or so most likely, if you remain dedicated and train seriously.
    This. Enjoy it while it lasts, OP. I think some of the best advice out there for 90% of the population is to "eat to performance". That is, increase your calories only as much as you need to make progress on your lifts. Making progress at maintenance or even in a deficit? Great. Only add calories if you stall out on adding weight to the bar. A lot of newbies have no business bulking when they can gain muscle by maintaining or cutting, especially if they're not lean.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    I'm huge in Japan! xsquid99's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2013
    Location: Stanwood, Washington, United States
    Posts: 4,111
    Rep Power: 30545
    xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) xsquid99 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    xsquid99 is offline
    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    A lot of newbies have no business bulking when they can gain muscle by maintaining or cutting, especially if they're not lean.
    This x1000. Pains me to consistently see new lifters on here well over 20% bodyfat who think they need to bulk to build muscle.
    All it takes is consistency, effort, proper nutrition, good programming, and TIME.
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    team ketchup AdamWW's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2006
    Location: Seattle, Washington, United States
    Posts: 20,725
    Rep Power: 109332
    AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) AdamWW has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    AdamWW is online now
    If your profile is accurate... why are you cutting at 6-2 and 168lb?

    You also look very lean already... am I missing something?
    The power of carbs compels me!
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Registered User cmacken's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2014
    Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
    Age: 36
    Posts: 1,140
    Rep Power: 4583
    cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) cmacken is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    cmacken is offline
    Originally Posted by alec935 View Post
    Been cutting fairly aggressively for almost a week now and although I'm pretty sore everyday, my strength is still going up. My bench and row went up a few lbs, my shrug a bit more

    Unless it's just neural adaptations then I'm pretty sure I'm still gaining muscle in a >500 deficit. Just wanted to comment on this because I see a lot of "eat big to get big" and "it's impossible to gain muscle in a deficit" posts.

    I think you guys that can only gain in a surplus are simply more advanced lifters than most people.
    Like most things in life, probably takes more than a week before you can make sweeping generalizations...
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Registered User mckajdos's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2019
    Posts: 114
    Rep Power: 382
    mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250) mckajdos has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    mckajdos is offline
    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    ...I think some of the best advice out there for 90% of the population is to "eat to performance". That is, increase your calories only as much as you need to make progress on your lifts. Making progress at maintenance or even in a deficit? Great. Only add calories if you stall out on adding weight to the bar. A lot of newbies have no business bulking when they can gain muscle by maintaining or cutting, especially if they're not lean.
    +1. This creates a good information feedback system that helps guide your diet planning.
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Train hard play harder Tommy W.'s Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Age: 68
    Posts: 17,466
    Rep Power: 83439
    Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) Tommy W. has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Tommy W. is offline
    Don’t confuse strength gain with all muscle gain. It’s usually CNS adaption especially in a deficit.
    If you don't get what you want you didn't want it bad enough
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Gaintaining Mrpb's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2012
    Location: Netherlands
    Posts: 29,804
    Rep Power: 155671
    Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Mrpb has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Mrpb is offline
    If you've been lifting seriously for more than a year then it's highly unlikely you'll see strength gains coming from CNS adaptations.

    However, it's only been one week. You won't gain significant muscle in 1 week.

    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    I think some of the best advice out there for 90% of the population is to "eat to performance". That is, increase your calories only as much as you need to make progress on your lifts. Making progress at maintenance or even in a deficit? Great. Only add calories if you stall out on adding weight to the bar. A lot of newbies have no business bulking when they can gain muscle by maintaining or cutting, especially if they're not lean.
    Good advice ^^^.
    Recommended science based fitness & nutrition information:
    Alan Aragon https://alanaragon.com/
    Brad Schoenfeld http://www.lookgreatnaked.com/
    James Krieger https://weightology.net/
    Jorn Trommelen http://www.nutritiontactics.com/
    Eric Helms & Team3DMJ https://3dmusclejourney.com/
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User Nicksosure1's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2019
    Age: 50
    Posts: 1,023
    Rep Power: 10537
    Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) Nicksosure1 is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Nicksosure1 is offline
    Honestly though, a lot of people could go on a ~500 calorie deficit for ONE WEEK and continue to progress in their program, or at the very least, maintain the progress they’ve had thus far. Although some have pointed it out, I think a lot of people may have missed that part of the post. We’ll see how we’re doing a couple more weeks in...
    Life is constant learning. Give advice about things you know. Ask questions about things you don't.

    *Health and Wellness Coach and Coordinator for all United Bank Branches of Alabama
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User anthonynathan's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2020
    Age: 50
    Posts: 13
    Rep Power: 0
    anthonynathan is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    anthonynathan is offline
    Maybe you were overeating before with crappy food , one week it's a small period of time for the body to change the hormonal composition. If you cut the wrong food and maintain the good one, you will keep improving if your calorie intake is positive for your body needs.
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts