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    Lamar definitely isn't overrated...yet. People are just riding his jock now after discovering he can actually throw a football after being disrespected earlier. I'd say give him one more full season of starting to see what he's made of.
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    is he the best player in the league? nah

    still a top 5 player in the league though. Kawhi played terribly in Game 7 and could not close out what should have been the Nuggets done in 6. But a lot of that blame should go on the coach and PG as well. But not a good look for Kawhi as this is up there.


    Alot of top players have choked terribly or had terrible performances at some point in their career. KD gave up a 3-1 lead to the Warriors if I can recall correctly. Curry gave up a 3-1 against the cavs and choked so hard he need to cry for Daddy Durant to bail him out. Harden seems to choke every other year. Giannis got exposed vs the Raptors last year and lol at going 3-0 against Miami and shooting 50% from the free throw line. Embiid is just lol in the playoffs. The mavericks thing of course with Lebron.

    I'll say this, people mostly overrate Kawhi's defense and his "clutchness"

    can we all agree though that Pandemic P is a role player at best lmao
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    is he the best player in the league? nah

    still a top 5 player in the league though. Kawhi played terribly in Game 7 and could not close out what should have been the Nuggets done in 6. But a lot of that blame should go on the coach and PG as well. But not a good look for Kawhi as this is up there.


    Alot of top players have choked terribly or had terrible performances at some point in their career. KD gave up a 3-1 lead to the Warriors if I can recall correctly. Curry gave up a 3-1 against the cavs and choked so hard he need to cry for Daddy Durant to bail him out. Harden seems to choke every other year. Giannis got exposed vs the Raptors last year and lol at going 3-0 against Miami and shooting 50% from the free throw line. Embiid is just lol in the playoffs. The mavericks thing of course with Lebron.

    I'll say this, people mostly overrate Kawhi's defense and his "clutchness"

    can we all agree though that Pandemic P is a role player at best lmao
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    ??? Seems like the top 5 is pretty set.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    Heading into next year:

    LeBron
    KD (or Curry if you don't believe in a KD comeback)
    AD
    Jokic
    Giannis

    ??? Seems like the top 5 is pretty set.
    I love AD but he's borderline top 5.. Maybe that's because he's playing next to LeBron because he was a proven beast on the Pels...
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    Most overrated is Lebron. Kawhi is second.

    Lamar's career is too young to judge
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    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    Most overrated is Lebron. Kawhi is second.

    Lamar's career is too young to judge
    LeBron's blown a 3-1 lead before? This is news to me.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    LeBron's blown a 3-1 lead before? This is news to me.
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    Bump.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    Bump.
    I was about to do the same. 10/10 thread
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    Lamar and M. Andrew cost me a win on my fantasy this week smh
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    Kawhi has 2 rings on non super teams.

    Lamar isn’t even a qb.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    I like you youngmetro... you've turned into a good poster in my eyes

    However Lamar isnt overrated at all, not even a lil

    So the answer is Kawhi.. he's not the defensive player he once was, is not a playmaker, can't take over a game, isn't a leader, etc
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    Originally Posted by SmashinYoungVag View Post
    Kawhi has 2 rings on non super teams.

    Lamar isn’t even a qb.
    Lmfao

    Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker with Pop as a coach isn't a super team??

    Plesse stfu with your dumb sports takes

    All the more impressive that a "non QB" been tearing the league up along with Mahomes
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Lamar has no propensity for comebacks because he has no propensity for being behind



    20-3 in the regular season with 2 of those loses against the Chiefs
    Now 3 losses* against the Chiefs. Hold this L.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    Now 3 losses* against the Chiefs. Hold this L.
    Because the defence gave up a TD almost every drive in the first half, Andrews dropped a TD pass and the interior oline sucks

    Lamar wasn't great but the main issue in the loss was the lack of pass rush and protection
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Because the defence gave up a TD almost every drive in the first half, Andrews dropped a TD pass and the interior oline sucks

    Lamar wasn't great but the main issue in the loss was the lack of pass rush and protection
    Ravens offense first half after their opening FG drive:
    - 3 and out
    - 3 and out
    - 3 (“4”) and out
    - 4 and fumble (Lamar Jackson fumble).

    They had a nice opening drive + a return TD (that had nothing to do with Lamar Jackson).
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    Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli View Post
    Ravens offense first half after their opening FG drive:
    - 3 and out
    - 3 and out
    - 3 (“4”) and out
    - 4 and fumble (Lamar Jackson fumble).

    They had a nice opening drive + a return TD (that had nothing to do with Lamar Jackson).
    Like I said he wasn't great but there was bigger issues that Lamar. He was marginally off on a few throws, a couple to MAndrews that hit the hands but weren't perfect and that deep ball in Hollywood that was like a foot overthrown.

    There were a few drops, the receivers got no separation and there was consistent pressure up the middle. I think its also pretty clear this Ravens offence is not set up to come back from behind, everything is set up to be a run heavy team
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    I think its also pretty clear this Ravens offence is not set up to come back from behind, everything is set up to be a run heavy team
    This was the case the second they went all in on a running QB and should be no surprise.

    It’s pretty telling where if the game is on the line and you are down nick Foles may be a better option than the reigning MVP.

    Lamar is on track to being the best fair weather QB of all Time.

    He’s young AF but he needs to get his **** together, you can’t teach balls and he needs to sack up.
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    Originally Posted by Belome View Post
    This was the case the second they went all in on a running QB and should be no surprise.

    It’s pretty telling where if the game is on the line and you are down nick Foles may be a better option than the reigning MVP.

    Lamar is on track to being the best fair weather QB of all Time.

    He’s young AF but he needs to get his **** together, you can’t teach balls and he needs to sack up.
    Its more the structure of the talent on the team, and the coaching/scheme

    They gave up on the run game way too early, (the backs had a total of 12 carries all game...) but if you are going more pass heavy you need to expand the playbook, rather than running the same predictable play actions

    Granted if you come out in a 5 wide formation and just let him pass he's not elite, but he's not bad either
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    I remember the Titans handling Lamar pretty well in the playoffs. It's not like the Titans had a super D either.
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    Originally Posted by PattBattmann View Post
    I remember the Titans handling Lamar pretty well in the playoffs. It's not like the Titans had a super D either.
    That was the same ****, the moment they go down more than 1 score Greg Roman panics and changes up the game plan. In that Titans loss the running backs had 9 touches, last night only 12 despite averaging over 6 yards a carry.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    I think its also pretty clear this Ravens offence is not set up to come back from behind, everything is set up to be a run heavy team
    We told you this 2 weeks ago, dumbass. Hold this L. Stick to maple syrup and hockey.
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    We told you this 2 weeks ago, dumbass. Hold this L. Stick to maple syrup and hockey.
    No you put that solely on Lamar, and thats not fair.

    The receiving talent is really poor, the oline is a lot more effecting in the run game than pass protection (particularly interior). Worst of all Greg Roman has no game plan, or playbook for that kind of situation, he just leans on the same play action passes

    Lamar's skillset is well suited to being aggressive when behind in fourth quarters, if they are willing to take risks with the play calling
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    I got no hate for either guy, but it's probably Kawhi. Most people I know don't consider Lamar the best player in the NFL. Even casuals will go with either Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes most of the time when asked. Kawhi is consistently discussed as having surpassed LeBron as the best player and is still called the best "two way player" in the NBA by many, even though LeBron has outperformed him repeatedly.
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    Lamar Jackson. Kawhi blew a 3-1 lead with his team, that chit drops his value down a lot. But at least Kawhi has had playoff success. Young FMVP, were beating the Warriors before the Zaza injury, took Raptors to finals and won.

    Meanwhile we have a running dude that can ocassionaly throw, has regular season success, but god forbid playoffs come. Dude will be trash - as seen past two playoffs
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    Originally Posted by lsiberian View Post
    This. Kawhi carried the Raptors as sad as it is. I wouldn't bet against him in a Game 7 either although I definitely will be cheering against him.
    Kawhi joined the top seed in the Eastern Conference, with no LeBron there, and they won a championship. He didn't carry jack. He had a nice playoff run, though.

    As far as overrated, I mean, I think we gotta give both of these guys their due, and to a greater extent Kawhi, since he's actually handled hardware and been to the biggest stage.
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    Originally Posted by imbeingcereal View Post
    I got no hate for either guy, but it's probably Kawhi. Most people I know don't consider Lamar the best player in the NFL. Even casuals will go with either Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes most of the time when asked. Kawhi is consistently discussed as having surpassed LeBron as the best player and is still called the best "two way player" in the NBA by many, even though LeBron has outperformed him repeatedly.
    Anytime someone says that or throws in a qualifier like "best two way player"... I immediately stop talking to them or reading their comment. Kawhi for some reason has a reputation as a stopper... but who has he ever shut down? Lol. And he sure as hell wasn't the best player in any series he played this postseason.
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    is he the best player in the league? nah

    still a top 5 player in the league though. Kawhi played terribly in Game 7 and could not close out what should have been the Nuggets done in 6. But a lot of that blame should go on the coach and PG as well. But not a good look for Kawhi as this is up there.


    Alot of top players have choked terribly or had terrible performances at some point in their career. KD gave up a 3-1 lead to the Warriors if I can recall correctly. Curry gave up a 3-1 against the cavs and choked so hard he need to cry for Daddy Durant to bail him out. Harden seems to choke every other year. Giannis got exposed vs the Raptors last year and lol at going 3-0 against Miami and shooting 50% from the free throw line. Embiid is just lol in the playoffs. The mavericks thing of course with Lebron.

    I'll say this, people mostly overrate Kawhi's defense and his "clutchness"

    can we all agree though that Pandemic P is a role player at best lmao
    Kawhi isn't top 5.

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    And that's before KD comes back.

    I'd probably take Joker over him today as well.

    I can guarantee you something else... if Paul George did the smart thing and went to play with LeBron, the narrative on him would be different because LeBron would put him in situations to succeed.
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