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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    So obnoxious when people say the offense is lacking talent.

    Top 5 WR, Top 10 RB, Top 3 QB, Top 3 LT, Top 5 LG
    We literally are rotating OL now, Jon Runyan (6th round rookie!) had to come in after Taylor is now out. he played well, but stop it with this. We have a top QB and top WR, a great gadget RB with depth at that position and nothing else

    MLF is key for scheming people open. That's why the Viking game was so great. He called an AMAZING gsme outside of the couple redzone mishaps
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    He's 20-3 in the regular season, with two of those losses coming against the best team in the NFL and superbowl champs

    Not his fault he's too dominant to be behind double digits
    He's also 0 for 2 in playoff games.

    Russ and mahomes won plenty of playoff games in their first and second seasons (and super bowl)

    I predict another early exit from him this year. He doesn't have the arm accuracy or ability to read complex playoff defensive schemes.
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    Originally Posted by climberbrah View Post
    He's also 0 for 2 in playoff games.

    Russ and mahomes won plenty of playoff games in their first and second seasons (and super bowl)

    I predict another early exit from him this year. He doesn't have the arm accuracy or ability to read complex playoff defensive schemes.
    2 a chit sample size



    Joe Montana went 3 years in a row losing the first playoff game, while throwing multiple picks and 0 TDs in total

    Peyton went 0 for 3 in his first 3 playoff games
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    2 a chit sample size



    Joe Montana went 3 years in a row losing the first playoff game, while throwing multiple picks and 0 TDs in total

    Peyton went 0 for 3 in his first 3 playoff games
    Great his ceiling is Peyton manning who was absolutely trash in playoffs other than 1 season despite having a long career and being arguably the best qb mind ever to play the game. Not a comparison I would want to make. Peyton underperformed immensely in the playoffs(his last super bowl win was a complete joke).
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    Originally Posted by climberbrah View Post
    Great his ceiling is Peyton manning who was absolutely trash in playoffs other than 1 season despite having a long career and being arguably the best qb mind ever to play the game. Not a comparison I would want to make. Peyton underperformed immensely in the playoffs(his last super bowl win was a complete joke).
    Manning is a top 3 QB of all time....... please go be stupid somewhere else, this football discussion ain't for you
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    Originally Posted by climberbrah View Post
    Great his ceiling is Peyton manning who was absolutely trash in playoffs other than 1 season despite having a long career and being arguably the best qb mind ever to play the game. Not a comparison I would want to make. Peyton underperformed immensely in the playoffs(his last super bowl win was a complete joke).
    Firstly Peyton is a baller and one of the best


    Secondly you missed the point


    If Joe Montana (in his prime with Jerry Rice) can lose 3 consecutive playoff games, while throwing 0 TD and 4 INT in those games, judging Lamar on 2 loses that he wasnt even terrible in, is ridiculous


    The overall body of work;

    Tearing apart the best defences in the NFL, breaking the rushing yards record while leading the league in TDs and posting the 11th best passer rating of all time etc

    Is enough to confirm he is top 4 QB (only Wilson, Mahomes and Rodgers have any argument over him)
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    Originally Posted by climberbrah View Post
    He's also 0 for 2 in playoff games.

    Russ and mahomes won plenty of playoff games in their first and second seasons (and super bowl)

    I predict another early exit from him this year. He doesn't have the arm accuracy or ability to read complex playoff defensive schemes.
    Even in his rookie season Russ showed his worth when he nearly pulled off an epic 3 score comeback in Atlanta (before his defense let him down on a GW 55 yard field goal), back when the Falcons were the 1 seed. And we all know Mahomes had sealed the comeback in the AFCCG until Dee Ford lined up offsides.

    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Manning is a top 3 QB of all time....... please go be stupid somewhere else, this football discussion ain't for you
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    Originally Posted by AgRyan View Post
    Wilson and Mahomes are the only QBs I would put above him, currently. Though, if it's a 2 minute drill in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl down by a score, I'm still rolling with Brady if my life depended on it.
    Exactly this but I think Kyler might push himself into the conversation for top 3-4 QBs this year.
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    Originally Posted by Phobaphobia View Post
    Exactly this but I think Kyler might push himself into the conversation for top 3-4 QBs this year.
    Shutting this thread down.

    Kyler has done nothing to warrant such a prediction.
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    Originally Posted by climberbrah View Post
    Shutting this thread down.

    Kyler has done nothing to warrant such a prediction.
    Agree, if we are comparing him to Lamar he is not as fast, elusive or dynamic as a runner, so he would have to improve a hell of a lot in the passing game to surpass him. He is tiny but doesn't have the smarts and pocket awareness of Russell Wilson, doesnt have a cannon for an arm or anything.

    Kyler can be pretty great, definitely could reach top 10 but I dont see him being on Lamar's level
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Agree, if we are comparing him to Lamar he is not as fast, elusive or dynamic as a runner, so he would have to improve a hell of a lot in the passing game to surpass him. He is tiny but doesn't have the smarts and pocket awareness of Russell Wilson, doesnt have a cannon for an arm or anything.

    Kyler can be pretty great, definitely could reach top 10 but I dont see him being on Lamar's level

    Kyler’s arm is definitely stronger than both Lamar’s and Wilson, that midget has a cannon. Even though the stats don’t say it he’s a better drop back passer than Lamar. He’s not better QB than him as of now but he can definitely reach top 5. I think Lamar is top 5 at worst.
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    Kyler’s arm is definitely stronger than both Lamar’s and Wilson, that midget has a cannon. Even though the stats don’t say it he’s a better drop back passer than Lamar. He’s not better QB than him as of now but he can definitely reach top 5. I think Lamar is top 5 at worst.
    Theres probably 10-15 guys in the league who are better drop back passers than Lamar

    But nobody is anywhere close to his running ability, not even prime Vick
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    No mention of Danny Dimes?

    LMAO. Just....lmao.
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    Lamar does not carry his offense, they are built very unconventionally, so it appears to some that he does not have talent around him, but they’re built to compliment Lamar, and they do it very well. Mark Ingram fits their system well even though he isn’t a better RB than Aaron jones, he’s a better fit for what the Ravens do. It is dumb as hell to say Lamar isn’t a top 5 (at worst) QB because of his playoff record. Guy is unreal and should be given a few more years of individual poor playoff performances (not team losses) before anyone starts doubting where he ranks as a QB.

    Aaron Jones is a stud, not a gadget player at all. Last year proved that. The packers are talented, they just lack severely at the skill positions outside of QB, RB1, and WR1 when they should be built better in those areas for what they want to do.
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    No mention of Danny Dimes?

    LMAO. Just....lmao.
    when he stops making boneheaded turnovers every game

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    surprised so many miscers hate Lamar, he's full MAGA
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    He's between 5-10 right now IMO. The league is kind of weak for top tier passers at the moment though. The only guys I'd say are elite are Mahomes and Wilson. Rodgers, Brees, and Brady used to be but they are falling off.
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    Originally Posted by HotCheetos View Post
    Lamar does not carry his offense.
    Come on son... Any other QB (including Mahomes) does not make this offence as good as it is, and put an average QB like Garoppolo or Dak in there and it would be a bottom 10-15 offense.

    Agreed Ingram is a great fit, but hes still an average to below average talent. Gus the Bus also ran for 700 yards at over a carry last year too, thats the power of a good oline and read option/play action threat

    Lamar lead the team in rushing yards, lead the league in passing TDs and was super efficient and safe with the ball. I cant think of any other QB who carries his team more
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    He's been AFC player of the week 5/9 of the last weeks, (one of those he didnt win he was robbed too)

    Scoring at a rate thats equal to 57 TDs and under 2 INTs across 16 games, while throwing to trash like Willie Snead and Miles Boykin.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Come on son... Any other QB (including Mahomes) does not make this offence as good as it is, and put an average QB like Garoppolo or Dak in there and it would be a bottom 10-15 offense.

    Agreed Ingram is a great fit, but hes still an average to below average talent. Gus the Bus also ran for 700 yards at over a carry last year too, thats the power of a good oline and read option/play action threat

    Lamar lead the team in rushing yards, lead the league in passing TDs and was super efficient and safe with the ball. I cant think of any other QB who carries his team more
    have you seen the seahawks oline and offense the past 4 years.....russ dragged them to the playoffs every year (and won playoff games)
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    Originally Posted by climberbrah View Post
    have you seen the seahawks oline and offense the past 4 years.....russ dragged them to the playoffs every year (and won playoff games)
    Agreed Russ is amazing at doing a lot with not a lot, if its not Lamar its him.
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    Heisman Lamar and NFL Lamar is the same dude. Very rare these guys translate, look at Johnny Football, RG3, Baker. Generational talent. Lets enjoy it while it lasts, and before someone falls on his legs.
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    Originally Posted by BobLoblawBrah View Post
    Heisman Lamar and NFL Lamar is the same dude. Very rare these guys translate, look at Johnny Football, RG3, Baker. Generational talent. Lets enjoy it while it lasts, and before someone falls on his legs.
    Lol @ thinking Manziel had any chance, relied on his legs but ran a 4.7 40, you cant even out run defensive ends with that in the NFL.

    RG3 was actually legit prior to his injuries, similar to Kyler Murray now.

    Lamar though is a different breed, legitimately could be an NFL running back Im guessing he must run a 4.35 or something. If you are going to be as effective a dual threat as you were in college, you need the same level of superior athleticism relative to the field, its just a lot rarer once you reach the NFL, in combination with a good arm.
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    lmao @ the cope from Lamar fans thinking he'll ever be as good or accomplished as Mahomes.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    lmao @ the cope from Lamar fans thinking he'll ever be as good or accomplished as Mahomes.
    Who said that? He's top 4, nobody is claiming he is number 1 yet...

    If he improves as a passer he could easily get there though, without ever having as good an arm as Mahomes
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Who said that? He's top 4, nobody is claiming he is number 1 yet...

    If he improves as a passer he could easily get there though, without ever having as good an arm as Mahomes
    Looking forward to watching the Chiefs beat the Ravens twice this year, assuming Lamar can even win a playoff game.
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    Originally Posted by YoungMetro24 View Post
    Looking forward to watching the Chiefs beat the Ravens twice this year, assuming Lamar can even win a playoff game.
    We'll see, Ravens are favourites to win it all as of right now. Mahomie stuck in second despite all that talent
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    We'll see, Ravens are favourites to win it all as of right now. Mahomie stuck in second despite all that talent
    No, they quite literally aren't. Keep your low IQ babble to yourself.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    We'll see, Ravens are favourites to win it all as of right now. Mahomie stuck in second despite all that talent
    More low IQ babble from our resident Lamar stan/mouth breather. Keep punching at air, kid.
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