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    Originally Posted by SultanofBling View Post
    try again.

    Nope. I've explained it before and you refuse to listen. intentionally or not
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    Nope. I've explained it before and you refuse to listen. intentionally or not
    Didn't you say it was something to do with social media?
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    Originally Posted by SultanofBling View Post
    Didn't you say it was something to do with social media?
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    nope
    Well, I'd love to hear it again
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    Originally Posted by SultanofBling View Post
    Well, I'd love to hear it again
    go through the past posts.
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    The allegory of the cave has to be one of the most misunderstood stories of all time. Even respected philosophers completely miss the point, let alone you monkeys on the misc. The superficial understanding of these subjects is downright embarrassing most of the time because the majority of humans are retarded and should just stfu.
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    Originally Posted by A-GAME View Post
    The allegory of the cave has to be one of the most misunderstood stories of all time. Even respected philosophers completely miss the point, let alone you monkeys on the misc. The superficial understanding of these subjects is downright embarrassing most of the time because the majority of humans are retarded and should just stfu.
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    Originally Posted by BrosefMengele View Post
    So why don't you explain it, Einstein.
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    Originally Posted by A-GAME View Post
    The allegory of the cave has to be one of the most misunderstood stories of all time. Even respected philosophers completely miss the point, let alone you monkeys on the misc. The superficial understanding of these subjects is downright embarrassing most of the time because the majority of humans are retarded and should just stfu.
    you sound like a trinitarian. its something outside the realm of human comprehension right?
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    Originally Posted by davik View Post
    you sound like a trinitarian. its something outside the realm of human comprehension right?
    Nah the Allegory is about Being
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    Originally Posted by SultanofBling View Post
    Nah the Allegory is about Being
    An experimenter puts 5 monkeys in a large cage. High up at the top of the cage, well beyond the reach of the monkeys, is a bunch of bananas. Underneath the bananas is a ladder.

    The monkeys immediately spot the bananas and one begins to climb the ladder. As he does, however, the experimenter sprays him with a stream of cold water. Then, he proceeds to spray each of the other monkeys.

    The monkey on the ladder scrambles off. And all 5 sit for a time on the floor, wet, cold, and bewildered. Soon, though, the temptation of the bananas is too great, and another monkey begins to climb the ladder. Again, the experimenter sprays the ambitious monkey with cold water and all the other monkeys as well. When a third monkey tries to climb the ladder, the other monkeys, wanting to avoid the cold spray, pull him off the ladder and beat him.

    Now one monkey is removed and a new monkey is introduced to the cage. Spotting the bananas, he naively begins to climb the ladder. The other monkeys pull him off and beat him.

    Here’s where it gets interesting. The experimenter removes a second one of the original monkeys from the cage and replaces him with a new monkey. Again, the new monkey begins to climb the ladder and, again, the other monkeys pull him off and beat him - including the monkey who had never been sprayed.

    By the end of the experiment, none of the original monkeys were left and yet, despite none of them ever experiencing the cold, wet, spray, they had all learned never to try and go for the bananas.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    An experimenter puts 5 monkeys in a large cage. High up at the top of the cage, well beyond the reach of the monkeys, is a bunch of bananas. Underneath the bananas is a ladder.

    The monkeys immediately spot the bananas and one begins to climb the ladder. As he does, however, the experimenter sprays him with a stream of cold water. Then, he proceeds to spray each of the other monkeys.

    The monkey on the ladder scrambles off. And all 5 sit for a time on the floor, wet, cold, and bewildered. Soon, though, the temptation of the bananas is too great, and another monkey begins to climb the ladder. Again, the experimenter sprays the ambitious monkey with cold water and all the other monkeys as well. When a third monkey tries to climb the ladder, the other monkeys, wanting to avoid the cold spray, pull him off the ladder and beat him.

    Now one monkey is removed and a new monkey is introduced to the cage. Spotting the bananas, he naively begins to climb the ladder. The other monkeys pull him off and beat him.

    Here’s where it gets interesting. The experimenter removes a second one of the original monkeys from the cage and replaces him with a new monkey. Again, the new monkey begins to climb the ladder and, again, the other monkeys pull him off and beat him - including the monkey who had never been sprayed.

    By the end of the experiment, none of the original monkeys were left and yet, despite none of them ever experiencing the cold, wet, spray, they had all learned never to try and go for the bananas.
    Conformity!

    Interesting -- doesn't this behavior resemble that of many of the poster's on the R&P section? Particularly with use of reps/negs and hateful, bullying speech?? There's a subtext of irony I'm savoring
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    Allegory of the Cave???

    Isn't that about some cat that may or may not be dead?
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    Brah the Theory of Forms is literally Freshman level Intro to Philosophy stuff.
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    Originally Posted by SultanofBling View Post
    Conformity!

    Interesting -- doesn't this behavior resemble that of many of the poster's on the R&P section? Particularly with use of reps/negs and hateful, bullying speech?? There's a subtext of irony I'm savoring
    I don't think he was around when you got here but it describes wincel to a T
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    I don't think he was around when you got here but it describes wincel to a T
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    That is Wincel
    I'm not wincel.
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    Originally Posted by SultanofBling View Post
    I'm not wincel.
    he was the biggest bully here
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    he was the biggest bully here
    He was ALWAYS spanking those monkeys...
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    My problem with the allegory of the cave is that no one can really know if they have left the cave or not. And even if they left the cave how can they know the outside world isn't just a larger more sophisticated cave?
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    I'm not wincel.
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    My problem with the allegory of the cave is that no one can really know if they have left the cave or not. And even if they left the cave how can they know the outside world isn't just a larger more sophisticated cave?
    That is a great question. I believe my answer will depend on the basis of your interpretation. I've heard the Cave stand for knowledge, social media, etc. All kinds of things. My criticism with those suggestions is that it cannot possibly represent the immensity of the Allegory. Those are all component parts of a greater whole, which is the Allegory as Allegory of Being. My personal opinion is the following:

    In our youth and our immaturity, we are very similar to the prisoners in the cave. Totally and completely unaware of what is real and what is falsehood. Our perception and sense of self is unformed in our younger years and we tend to conceive of ourselves as amidst a world outside of our control. Although Parenting may play a role, this process is one that plays out in each of us regardless of where we come from. We are all prisoners of our own ignorance. As time wears on, we become aware of the fetters that bind us to this ignorance. They are locks which can be picked only with great effort, and the result is the creation of a sense of Self, as something apart from the Cave and separate from the other prisoners. We have thoughts and emotions, and worries. A knowledge of Self is something we are born innately with, and deep within the mind it takes form. You know it, because it burns like a subtle anxiety of something more within you. Yet the existence of this Self eludes so many of us because we accepted only the reality as it is understood by us at a given moment.

    Plato only posited the hypothesis of a prisoner being freed and exposed to a different world, but I very easily can think of another likelihood: the Prisoner (You) freeing yourself. And this freedom is only gained with great hardship and struggle, as you lift your Self up each step outside of the Cave. Plato never describes this to it's full detail which I think is necessary. It's a grueling ordeal, as all preconceptions of the world that you had are revealed to be mere illusion -- shadows on the wall. It's an earth-shattering experience because You realize that it was Yourself who created these illusions. You did this because it made life easier to understand, to tolerate, to fathom. Notions such as politics, dogmatic beliefs about faith, your relationships and friendships, and even the notion of a paradise (I'm not criticizing religion here, merely stating that the effect of such beliefs is as source of comfort in face of the Unknown). You are the puppeteer who casts the shadows on the wall to delude yourself. It is not the malicious work of some third-party.

    As you climb out of your Cave, you learn to recognize exactly what is and what is not. I believe central in this is the understanding of who You are. The harsh sunlight and the familiar, yet alien, surface world may seem frightening, but your newfound understanding of Self can help you guide in this new state of Being. You might feel the tug to descend back into the Cave, but it looks dark and ominous to you now, for it is -- it represents a step back. A return to falsehood when the ugliness of reality is right before your very eyes. Your brain will be awash with emotions -- anxieties pulling you this way and that. IMO, the fear is natural -- an instinctual form of a lower form of cognition. But your Self masters this, or, at least, begins to. Each step down into the Cave reminds you of the foolishness of your prior state of Being. You realize now that you can never return to your previous Self in Good Faith. As much as you attempt to convince yourself otherwise, your Consciousness knows of your delusion. It makes it absolutely impossible to return. And, should you find yourself right beside the other Prisoners whom you began with, you will recognize them but also see yourself as separate and different. Should you try and convince these Prisoners of the falsehood of their reality, they will react instinctively out of emotion, for you are challenging the basis upon which hinges their own worldview. You cannot blame them, their cognition is a lower form of Being -- overly emotional and guided out of a reactionary, defensive mindset. This represents the Departure.

    And once you realize all of this, you can go back over the forms of your past Self and pick what you wish to keep and what you wish to discard. There are many good beliefs that promote good values, and I believe we innately gravitate towards these things because we Know.

    And I believe that all of our lives we repeat this process. We ascend to the Surface and see the world for what is is, and then we inevitably return to the depths of the Cave and witness just how artificial and false our world truly was. This will never end as long as you live, and I think that's perfectly fine. It accords well with many philosophers that we will never truly know everything. It is like Prometheus who gives man knowledge of the fire, and that is Self. I believe it was Socrates himself who says that he is wise who knows that he knows nothing. If you go through life knowing that you will never know, you will be content, optimistic, and engaged. Self-awareness is the key
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