September 1st - NVIDIA GeForce Special Event (RTX 3000 series)

[BUFUbrah]

So the two UK stockists I've used have sent out some emails regarding orders on launch day and with some looking around it seems they had single figure stocks if any at all at launch and everything bar the first few orders are classed as pre orders on first come first served basis.

They bumped the price up during the time from adding to basket to checkout for some people which is chit but at least we got added to some sort of list and you can get a full refund but you lose your place in the queue.

Some people are counting the order numbers and working out estimate deliveries and I'm looking at late November most probably from the time I ordered.

[Bcider]

I'm still checking out on Nvidia's site for the past 2 days. Wish me luck guys.

[anonymous]

RTX 4000 series can't come soon enough.

Yeah, I think I'm going to probably wait this one out, although it's going to be a long 2 years wait looking from the sidelines if raytracing starts getting really pushed (although with consoles not being able to do it properly, it might not get the push it deserves)

[KingSWRV]

I will buy a 3090 the day it becomes plainly available in stock consistently on Amazon (not newegg) and when the price is exactly 1499. Who knows how long that will be.

[Aristotelian]

Doesn't matter anyway. Simply throwing tons of memory on a card won't lead to huge increases in gaming performance anyway. I really don't understand the obsession with **** loads of GPU memory for gaming, especially if not playing at 4k.

People confuse allocated memory with memory requirements, GN made a good point on this in their review of the 3080.

On a general point: anyone else finding this "overwhelming demand" trope a bit silly these days?

Conan Exiles comes out: servers crash, too much demand.

Wolcen too.

PS5 sold out in minutes.

RTX sold out in seconds.

All the while we are told about "wow demand" but it reeks of marketing team gibberish to me. Anyone else think so? The examples above are not equivalent to one another of course but for years I keep hearing about insane demand that companies somehow cannot cater for...and it rings hollow to me.

[VTheKing]

On a general point: anyone else finding this "overwhelming demand" trope a bit silly these days?

Conan Exiles comes out: servers crash, too much demand.

Wolcen too.

PS5 sold out in minutes.

RTX sold out in seconds.

All the while we are told about "wow demand" but it reeks of marketing team gibberish to me. Anyone else think so? The examples above are not equivalent to one another of course but for years I keep hearing about insane demand that companies somehow cannot cater for...and it rings hollow to me.

It's upfront demand. Because it's so easy to build hype and make every potential customer aware of your product, people aren't willing to wait and want to place an order asap. Then there are scalpers bots who induce scarcity and create FOMO.

Sure companies could try meeting that initial demand, but what if they overproduce or fail to excite out of the gate? They're stuck with inventory they can't move and may have to sell some of it at a loss later. It's much safer to have a modest stock at first, then let demand flood in and produce more according to order volume. As far as GPUs are concerned, people only buy AMD or NVidia so it's not like pissing off customers who have to wait will lead to loss of sales. Ditto with PS5, as Microsoft is their only direct competition.

And as far as online games are concerned, pretty much anything new that's exciting and/or has a good marketing campaign gets overran with people wanting to be the first to try it out, as well as Youtubers/streamers spurring demand for the game. Even for a successful title, the amount of people who will regularly play the game in the months after release will be much lower than in Day 1. Popular Twitch streamers in particular can cause wild fluctuations in a game's player base.

Cynically, you can say that's a result of the current internet making our attention spans too damn short.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

BTW, don't remember who brought it up, but EK is already working on a block for the EVGA 3080 FTW3.

[EliteBrah]

BTW, don't remember who brought it up, but EK is already working on a block for the EVGA 3080 FTW3.

really? thats great news. I saw on their website that they will have a Strix block out in October. I couldnt find anything regarding the FTW3.
I know eventually they will make one but last time it took them a year after 2080ti release.

[Sublime25]

People that sold already their 20XX card in panic, how do you feel now that the 3080 is only 20% better, nowhere to be found and expensive af because scammers

[rectifryer]

Memory does result in a performance increase for native higher resolutions instead of bullchit dlss rendering at lower res then guessing.

And using dlss means you're not getting full tflops performance since those cores are being used for ai instead of graphics...

[Aristotelian]

3090 Dead on Arrival? LOL

It's upfront demand. Because it's so easy to build hype and make every potential customer aware of your product, people aren't willing to wait and want to place an order asap. Then there are scalpers bots who induce scarcity and create FOMO.

Sure companies could try meeting that initial demand, but what if they overproduce or fail to excite out of the gate? They're stuck with inventory they can't move and may have to sell some of it at a loss later. It's much safer to have a modest stock at first, then let demand flood in and produce more according to order volume. As far as GPUs are concerned, people only buy AMD or NVidia so it's not like pissing off customers who have to wait will lead to loss of sales. Ditto with PS5, as Microsoft is their only direct competition.

And as far as online games are concerned, pretty much anything new that's exciting and/or has a good marketing campaign gets overran with people wanting to be the first to try it out, as well as Youtubers/streamers spurring demand for the game. Even for a successful title, the amount of people who will regularly play the game in the months after release will be much lower than in Day 1. Popular Twitch streamers in particular can cause wild fluctuations in a game's player base.

Cynically, you can say that's a result of the current internet making our attention spans too damn short.

Eh. I see it another way - the hype machine of course is important, but if anyone thinks that lots of 3080s have been released they are sorely mistaken. Not calling it a 'paper launch', but it is what it is. I'm not attacking the '2x' claim; just what I think is becoming a lame sort of excuse from companies who basically overhype products, then overhype the demand, as an excuse to stagger manufacturing cycles to save money. That's the cynical part for me.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I haven't been impressed about a single thing regarding the 3090. That's terrible performance for costing 2X what the 3080 costs.
From what I can see, it literally is only performing better because it has a higher power limit....

[Aristotelian]

^ I mean, I shouldn't laugh.

I wanted a flagship card that could consistently push 100fps in AAA games at max settings at 4K. I don't care about the product stack as such, but wish there had been something like a real Ti flagship - I just don't believe them that the 3080 is the flagship card in this product stack - I mean we are already seeing from Gigabyte that a 20 gig 3080 card will be released.

The only upshot for me, is that the monitor I want are still not out despite the "2H 2020" chit. Because I'm not buying a video card until that monitor comes out. And even then...it won't be a 3080. While it is a good card in its own right, to be clear, I want something more. Maybe I'll have to wait for a refresh...

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I don't care about the product stack as such, but wish there had been something like a real Ti flagship - I just don't believe them that the 3080 is the flagship card in this product stack - I mean we are already seeing from Gigabyte that a 20 gig 3080 card will be released.

I mean...it's EXTREMELY clear at this point that throwing more memory on a 3080 won't result in **** for more gaming performance if the 3090 numbers we're seeing are true with 24 fking gb. So a 3080 with more memory doesn't tempt me in the slightest. Not gonna pay another $200-$300 for a 3080 with more memory for 5% more performance lol.

And I really have a hard time believing they have a card higher than the 3090. The 3090 already seems to me like a hard fking sell at $1,500 given it's small performance increase over the 3080. Can't imagine a higher SKU card, but who TF knows with Nvidia. Literally the 3090 should be $1,000.

[Aristotelian]

Right - there is a misunderstanding among people between the amount of memory a game allocates for itself and that which the game needs. Maybe there are other use cases, or games with huge modding potential that change memory use, but GN were very clear that the 10gb on the 3080 is just fine.

On the 3090 - I'm very disappointed. Even at 1500, if it was say 30% faster than a 3080 I may have bought a binned version. For (often) less than 10% better? Even people with flexible wallets should balk at that.

My only hope is that there is a 3090Ti planned. But I'm hearing rumors that a refresh of this is already planned, some "issues" with the Samsung 8nm process. But these might just be seeded by same sort of person that claims a single e-tailer in Germany had "20,000 orders" for the 3080. 20,000 attempts to purchase - sure, and including many attempts from single users - sure.

[EliteBrah]

videocardz is just posting the fake chinese numbers

there is a guy on overclock.net under the name "vmanuelgm" that actually has it and has posted a ton of pics. he even shunt modded it to 550watts. anyways, stock is showing to be faster than the chinese numbers

The user scored 21900 shunted in time spy (gpu score). So if you plan to buy a 3090, get the highest power draw. FTW3 will have 440watt

compare that to a stock 2080ti... 13,610
and a stock 3080 founders ....... 17,832

please note the user only gained 10% overclock after shunt mod! and that needed 550watts. you can most likely do a normal overclock with 440watt EVGA and get 7% OC

[R3L3NTL3SS]

On Twitter Jacob said EVGA is going to be stocking etailers in the "thousands" THIS WEEK. The cards are coming dudes. Keep refreshing. lol

[FAPhaggot]

Memory is much more important for machine learning than gaming, and the former is another hyooge market for high-end cards. For a lot of researchers and engineers, these cards are a business expense - if you're consulting and billing your time out at $200 an hour, or you have a couple hundred K in grants funded, a $1000 dollar delta to store a larger data set or run a sample 5% more quickly pays itself back pretty soon.

Chit, that's why they have those business-grade Quadro cards that don't even have an HDMI output. The price to performance ratio for them vs gaming cards sucks, but that added memory is crucial for ML, and NVidia knows that business wallets are less price-sensitive than consumer wallets.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

EVGA's website crashed. Guessing they got some cards in or something.

[KingSWRV]

3090 Dead on Arrival? LOL

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not everything is about fps for mainstream console **** games holy crap

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Someone pushed a Galax 3080 passed 2300MHz under LN2. Holee fukk.

[EliteBrah]

on sunday they did i believe much more than that on a live stream via gamersnexus with a ftw3 card. They set the world record on port royal by a substantial margin

BTW, im guessing evga has some more in stock as their site crashed

[R3L3NTL3SS]

on sunday they did i believe much more than that on a live stream via gamersnexus with a ftw3 card. They set the world record on port royal by a substantial margin

BTW, im guessing evga has some more in stock as their site crashed

I didn't finish to see how far they ended up pushing the FTW card.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

EVGA did put more cards in stock. Website crashed immediately and looks like pretty much nothing but bots got them again.

[guitarwar241]

EVGA did put more cards in stock. Website crashed immediately and looks like pretty much nothing but bots got them again.

Yep. I had an XC3 sitting in my cart and after repeatedly getting errors while hitting the checkout button, they sold out. This is the coolest thing ever.

[guitarwar241]

Jacob from EVGA: "We beefed up our traffic capacity, but it obviously wasn't enough." Yeah, you think?

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Jacob from EVGA: "We beefed up our traffic capacity, but it obviously wasn't enough." Yeah, you think?

Well let's see...between bots constantly scanning the site and him tweeting they were in stock like a ****ing retard, of course it went down immediately.
He posted saying they were hand picking through every order and canceling bot orders. Not sure how they can know the difference. Their website only allows one card per order. So unless they're just canceling multiple orders going to one address I don’t think it will make much difference.

Honestly I don't think any of these companies give a fk. The money is all green for them. Makes no difference if it's a bot or actual person, as long as they get paid.

[InstantLoser]

EVGA did put more cards in stock. Website crashed immediately and looks like pretty much nothing but bots got them again.

Yup, happened just as I was getting off work. Couldn't load the site at all for a few minutes, and never saw any actual cards in stock.

[FFailed]

I wonder if any legitimate person besides people who camped outside a Microcenter have gotten a single card yet.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I wonder if any legitimate person besides people who camped outside a Microcenter have gotten a single card yet.

Very very few.