Who else is excited for netflix's new "dance" show?

[Goby]

Why the lolis so ugly get hotter ones

[AA43560]

At what age was Aisha when first had sex with her?

Documented at 9

If you are bringing the same BORING argument

Do ****philes typically marry their victims? Do they have the victims fathers' blessing for the marriage? Do they typically marry their first wife who is 40 years old when they are 25? Do they marry mostly older widowed/divorced women?

If you see ****philia in this, its only because you are corrupted

[BetaAsPhuck]

Documented at 9

9 year old.

2 years younger than the girls in the movie that this thread is about.

Islam is right about everything

So your problem is not that they are 11 and being sexual provocative, it's that they aren't being sexually provocative exclusively for a grown male husband?

Like these girls?





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[BetaAsPhuck]

Why the lolis so ugly get hotter ones

And negged the ****.

[AA43560]

boring post

Are the girls in this movie in a happy marriage with a stable husband?

Do they live in 6th century arabia where water is more valuable than gold?


You are equivocating the two because you watch too much porn and are used to sexualizing everything.


Again, Islam is right about everything.

[MrBourbon]

The film is supposedly an award winning French film that argues these dance competitions are disgusting for promoting this kind of sexualizing of young kids.

Haven't seen the film so I don't know.

But every person involved in making that poster should be fired and reported.

EDIT:. Good arguments itt - I haven't seen the trailer, if it's depicting that stuff, even to say how gross it is, it should not exist. Full stop.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Are the girls in this movie in a happy marriage with a stable husband?

They are 11 year olds. They have no business being married.

The fact that you even asked that question is disturbing.

Do they live in 6th century arabia where water is more valuable than gold?

So, you believe it was OK then but not OK now?

You are equivocating the two because you watch too much porn and are used to sexualizing everything.

I don't watch porn.

You also just said that Muhammad had sex with his 9 year old wife. That's ****philia.

Again, Islam is right about everything.

So, Islam is right about endorsing ****philia according to you.

You're part of the problem, but you don't see it. You are literally openly endorsing ****philia.

There are muslims who believe that Aisha was at minimum 15 or older when Muhammad consummated the marriage. You're not one of them, so you are part of the problem.

[AA43560]

They are 11 years olds. They have no business being married.

The fact that you even asked that question is disturbing.



So, you believe it was OK then but not OK now?



I don't watch porn.

You also just said that Muhammad had sex with his 9 year old wife. That's ****philia.




So, Islam is right about endorsing ****philia according to you.

You're part of the problem, but you don't see it. You are literally openly endorsing ****philia.

There are muslims who believe that Aisha was at minimum 15 or older when Muhammad consummated the marriage. You're not one of them, so you are part of the problem.

Ok.

Even those this is retarded talking about this, lets break it down if you are really too dense to see the difference.


1. 2020 Clown world vs 6th century arabia. To be honest, we can stop here if we wanted to as this is enough explanation, but il humor you since you are quite brainwashed.

2. Aisha (may God be pleased with her) had her FATHERS blessing to marry the Prophet (pbuh). Do ****s normally ask for their victims fathers permission before they marry? Do ****s even want to marry their victims?

3. He waited 3 years to consumate. If he was really a **** (medically a paraphilia/mental disorder), why would he wait 3 years? If he had the capability, its very unusual that he waited. Must be some kind of reason?

4. You conveniently gloss over the fact that his wives were mostly widows and divorcees, with his first wife being 15 years older than him. Aisha, iirc, was the only virgin he married. Is this behavior consistent with ****philia?

5. Aisha was leading armies at 18 years old, not twerking for fat balding middle aged men with a porn addiction and decrepit morals in a clown world.


Now lets compare

1. 2020 Clown world. 2020 environment is COMPLETELY different than even 2019, let alone the 6th century ARABIA.
2. There is a pandemic of sexual based marketing where women are used to sell products by exposing their bodies. This movies entire premise is sexual.
3. Cuckolding is widespread. in 2020, are people asking for the fathers permission to marry his daughter? LMAO. Try having kids out of wedlock and having the husband walk out or having 3 side chicks.
4. Child trafficking is a worldwide problem.
5. Actual ****philes out there, with purely a sexual attraction towards PREPUBESCENT kids have bad intentions. They want to use young children as a masturbation aid without care for how much it harms the child, because they are perverted and are degenerates. These are not stable people that benefit society, or spread the message of monotheism and good morals. These are people who steal womens panties to sniff later or subscribe to onlyfans. Do you really think these people are looking for marriage?



So please, explain these holes and inconsistencies. What other arbitrary laws would you like to apply anachronistically to a 6th century desert society? Do you think the Prophet should get speeding tickets for riding his camel too fast? Its really a retarded conversation to have considering that literally every culture in history has had marriages like that, including western culture.

[BetaAsPhuck]

AA43560

Even when I was a muslim I was shocked and disgusted that there were muslims who tried to defend ****philia and were wiling to follow ****philia. I believed that she was minimum fifteen or older after research alternative opinions, otherwise I would have left Islam there and then, because there was no way I was following a ****phile for spiritual guidance.


1/ Things were worst at Muhammad's time. Muhammad and his companions owned slaves, and his companions 'had sex' with their slaves. They also divided up women captured from military campaigns into slaves. Horrific times.

2/ There are fathers that pimp out their daughters, so that was a meaningless point. Bad or ignorant fathers exist.

3/ He waited three years because of the false belief that Menarche means that a female is now mature, because she is able to bear children. However, Lima Medina - the youngest mother on record - clearly shows that the body does not necessarily mature uniformly, and certain aspects of biology can mature faster than others. Menarche equalling maturity is primitive understanding of human maturation.

4/ There are ****philes who are married with kids.

5/ Her leading an army at eighteen means nothing regarding if Muhammad having sex with a nine year old was ****philia or not. Unless you are trying to argue that she was mature at nine years old, because she was able to lead an army 9 years later?

literally every culture in history has had marriages like that, including western culture.

Yes, and I'll say that's wrong and was based on ignorance.

You likely won't say that about Muhammad's bride, because you will be condemning something Muhammad did which will make you an apostate.

Just like Muslims won't condemn slavery as wrong, because they would be condemning something Muhammad and his companions did. So at best they will only say that 'having sex' with a nine year old bride, and having slaves is wrong in 2020.

[BetaAsPhuck]

What other arbitrary laws would you like to apply anachronistically to a 6th century desert society?

So sex with a 9 year old was morally good in 6th century Arabia, but is morally wrong in the 21st century?

That sounds like moral relativism.

[AA43560]

AA43560

Even when I was a muslim I was shocked and disgusted that there were muslims who tried to defend ****philia and were wiling to follow ****philia. I believed that she was minimum fifteen or older after research alternative opinions, otherwise I would have left Islam there and then, because there was no way I was following a ****phile for spiritual guidance.


1/ Things were worst at Muhammad's time. Muhammad and his companions owned slaves, and his companions 'had sex' with their slaves. They also divided up women captured from military campaigns into slaves. Horrific times.

2/ There are fathers that pimp out their daughters, so that was a meaningless point. Bad or ignorant fathers exist.

3/ He waited three years because of the false belief that Menarche means that a female is now mature, because she is able to bear children. However, Lima Medina - the youngest mother on record - clearly shows that the body does not necessarily mature uniformly, and certain aspects of biology can mature faster than others. Menarche equalling maturity is primitive understanding of human maturation.

4/ There are ****philes who are married with kids.

5/ Her leading an army at eighteen means nothing regarding if Muhammad having sex with a nine year old was ****philia or not. Unless you are trying to argue that she was mature at nine years old, because she was able to lead an army 9 years later?




Yes, and I'll say that's wrong and was based on ignorance.

You likely won't say that about Muhammad's bride, because you will be condemning something Muhammad did which will make you an apostate.

Just like Muslims won't condemn slavery as wrong, because they would be condemning something Muhammad and his companions did. So at best they will only say that 'having sex' with a nine year old bride, and having slaves is wrong in 2020.

Honestly what a dumb reason to apostate. You are trading gold for sh**. Rethink your choice.

She was not 15, or 18. Hadith are clear on this. We have nothing to hide and no reason to be ashamed.



1/ YES. Much worse times, which creates a completely different reality. Slaves were obtained as POWs. Dont want to be a POW slave? Dont wage war against the Muslims. There is NO COMPARISON between todays society and that society and thats my point. The fact that you even put this **** demonic netflix garbage in the same sentence is laughable. This is the kind of **** Islam is here to destroy.

2/ You obviously have little knowledge about 6th century arabia. She wasnt the daughter of some random person. She was the daughter of Abu Bakr, arguably the greatest companion and a man of extremely high repute. Lineage and hospitality are 2 things that mean EVERYTHING to arabs, both islamic and preislamic. They would NEVER offer their own flesh and blood to someone without them being convinced it would be a good thing for society and their family, let alone someone who only wants to use them for sex. There is nothing comparable to this in the western culture, it simply does not exist. Hence why in Islam, the women keeps her last name.

3/ I'm sorry, but you are arguing against basic biology. Menarche means the females body is ready for a child. Islamically however, this is not the only criteria. You cannot marry someone who is mentally retarded but reached menarche. They have to have certain mental faculties developed and have to be emotionally ready to be mothers. This is why there is no minimum age number, because it varies case by case. Again, you are brainwashed by society where its the norm to get married at 30 after the women has dried up for the sake of her "career".

4/ Really? Married to their victims? You and I both know that this is not how they operate. Even Epstein used them and threw them back on the streets after, and he had the most means to do whatever he wanted. The ones he kept on his ****land were a rotation of many girls with NONE of them being anything close to a "spouse". There is literally no benefit for a predator to take on the role of a husband, with all of its obligations (and Islamic obligations of a husband are MUCH more than typical western obligations)

5/ Do you know of any soldiers who will take orders from an incompetent female child? Let alone in a time where the norm was for women to be at home doing womanly things? VERY unusual. Why is she the biggest and most trusted source of hadiths (which are meticulously graded by the transmittors trustworthiness, which includes maturity, character and reliability).

BTW you have still not explained any of those gaping inconsistencies.


really sad that you have left islam for nothing. Just proves that Islam is not something you are born with, but a product of sound reasoning and intellect.

[AA43560]

So sex with a 9 year old was morally good in 6th century Arabia, but is morally wrong in the 21st century?

That sounds like moral relativism.

There is no problem saying this and its not moral relativism.

Islam does not put an age on marriage, so it is not defined except based on general criteria. Shariah also has discretion built into it, AKA there can be limits set by society. These limits can potentially change depending on the current culture.

In a society with widespread porn, perverted degenerates, child abuse and trafficking, you have to take those factors into account.

Its a moot point. Someone who is only wanting to abuse a child will not approach the father, pay a dowry and have a ceremony to get married in front of the whole community just to do that. If that is being done for the sake of marriage, then chances are its in a society that does not have the same problems of child abuse, ****philia and degeneracy as the West.








Regardless, all of this is a waste of time, superfluous and irrelevent. If you establish that Mohammad (pbuh) is truly a prophet of God which should be the only thing that matters, then no ones opinions matters. Because morality is set by God. You dont like slavery? Doesnt matter if God allowed it. Dont like praying 5 times a day? You dont have to, thats the reality. If we satisfy your obsession with his marriage (which is a childish view of history), you will just find another subjective rule to nitpick about.

[ErnieMccracken]

[sword_]

****ing disgusting.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Honestly what a dumb reason to apostate.

The fact that you think ****phila is not a good reason to apostate, shows your mindset to me.

You are clearly part of the problem.

3/ I'm sorry, but you are arguing against basic biology. Menarche means the females body is ready for a child.

I don't think you know what precocious puberty is.

Islamically however, this is not the only criteria. You cannot marry someone who is mentally retarded but reached menarche. They have to have certain mental faculties developed

What stage of cognitive development is considered OK islamically?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_development

and have to be emotionally ready to be mothers. This is why there is no minimum age number, because it varies case by case.

I was hoping this would be a quick reply so I can go for a walk, I'm going to try to keep this concise...

Just because someone has menarche, does not mean that their pelvis has matured. The body does not necessarily mature uniformly.

Lima Medina is the youngest mother on record, she gave birth at 5 years old via C section because her hips weren't developed. The baby would have torn her child body to pieces.

Please look at pictures of her...





She was a child, who gave birth to a child. I hope you aren't going to try to claim otherwise, and I hope from those pictures you realize that menarche alone is not a good way of assessing biological maturity.

The Body does not develop uniformly, some parts of the biology can mature faster than others. Using menarche as the only biological marker, ignores looking at other markers like pelvis development. Ignoring pelvis development, and fixating only on menarche again is a primitive way of assessing maturing.

Have you done any research into the increased health risks of teen pregnancy for example?

Please do more research into the health complications that pregnancy under 15 can cause, the body does not mature to handle the trauma of childhood well until post 15...

Is your view informed by any research into cognitive psychology, neuroscience, and pregnancy? Or is it just based on 'logic'.

I believe that if you do some research into what science says, you would conclude that a 9 year old who has menarche is not mature. 6th century Arabia or 21st century Arabia.

I don't believe in moral relativism. So I'm not going to say that what Muhammad did was morally good in 6th century Arabia, but would be bad in 21st century Arabia. What he did was based on ignorance.

[MustardTiger17]

Islam is a **** religion that worships a ****phile. Straight garbo cult

[BetaAsPhuck]

If you establish that Mohammad (pbuh) is truly a prophet of God, then no ones opinions matters. Because morality is set by God. You dont like slavery? Doesnt matter if God allowed it. Dont like praying 5 times a day? You dont have to, thats the reality.

That's the evil of Divine Command theory, everything is OK if they believe God says it's OK. Like Wiliam Lane Craig and Muslim apologists trying to justify things like ethnic cleansing, torture, slavery, and murder.

What theologian Bradley Jersak calls God of Will Vs God Of Love theology.

God of Will = God can asks us to enslave, torture, kill, and it's good because it's from God.

God of Love = God would not ask us to do anything that isn't in accordance in both intention and action with the benign or helpful. Meaning... Enslaving people would not be something that a God of love does, because that is not a loving way of relating to, nor treating, another human being.

I believe in a God of Love, not a God of Will. So I don't believe that; ****philia, torture, rape, or murder is OK simply because someone says that God says it's OK. Because I believe that God would only lead people to ideas and actions that lead to happiness and health, not inflicting suffering on people.

Something that is cross-cutural and cross-religious are Near Death Experiences, and practically every single person says that God's nature is love, and only wants everyone to be happy and healthy. People who believed in a God of will are shocked to find a God of love.

A very good book showing the research regarding people's experiences of God when they had near death experiences...

[AA43560]

The fact that you think ****phila is not a good reason to apostate, shows your mindset to me.

You are clearly part of the problem.




I don't think you know what precocious puberty is.



What stage of cognitive development is considered OK islamically?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_development



I was hoping this would be a quick reply so I can go for a walk, I'm going to try to keep this concise...

Just because someone has menarche, does not mean that their pelvis has matured. The body does not necessarily mature uniformly.

Lima Medina is the youngest mother on record, she gave birth at 5 years old via C section because her hips weren't developed. The baby would have torn her child body to pieces.

Please look at pictures of her...


She was a child, who gave birth to a child. I hope you aren't going to try to claim otherwise, and I hope from those pictures you realize that menarche alone is not a good way of assessing biological maturity.

The Body does not develop uniformly, some parts of the biology can mature faster than others. Using menarche as the only biological marker, ignores looking at other markers like pelvis development. Ignoring pelvis development, and fixating only on menarche again is a primitive way of assessing maturing.

Have you done any research into the increased health risks of teen pregnancy for example?

Please do more research into the health complications that pregnancy under 15 can cause, the body does not mature to handle the trauma of childhood well until post 15...

Is you view informed by any research into cognitive psychology, neuroscience, and pregnancy? Or is it just based on 'logic'.

I believe that if you do some research into what science says, you would conclude that a 9 year old who has menarche is not mature. 6th century Arabia or 21st century Arabia.

I don't believe in moral relativism. So I'm not going to say that what Muhammad did was morally good in 6th century Arabia, but would be bad in 21st century Arabia. What he did was based on ignorance.

I work in the medical field, I am more than aware of precocious puberty. And this is the reason we tell laymen not to google diseases, because you dont understand incidence and statistics and you misinterpret things.

"The overall incidence of sexual precocity is estimated to be 1:5,000 to 1:10,000 children"

It is not a common thing....at all. And for you to diagnose someone 1500 years ago with "precocious puberty" is hilarious, considering you havnt done a physical exam or even taken a medical history. Almost as funny as the people who say that the Prophet had epilepsy LMAO. Very childish.



There is no "stage" of cognitive development listed because islam preceeded that specific theory of psychology. It is determined by the Wali (typically the brides father, who has her best interests at heart). , the imam doing the marriage and the community at large.


And again with the anecdote. Are you really bringing a fringe case like that as evidence? Whats your proof that Aisha was not developed? We are taking your opinion vs the opinion of Abu Bakr, Quraysh and the companions at large. Who should we trust I wonder?

[AA43560]

Islam is a **** religion that worships a ****phile. Straight garbo cult

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[AA43560]

That's the evil of Divine Command theory, everything is OK if they believe God says it's OK. Like Wiliam Lane Craig and Muslim apologists trying to justify things like ethnic cleansing, torture, slavery, and murder.

What theologian Bradley Jersak calls God of Will Vs God Of Love theology.

God of Will = God can asks us to enslave, torture, kill, and it's good because it's from God.

God of Love = God would not ask us to do anything that isn't in accordance in both intention and action with the benign or helpful. Meaning... Enslaving people would not be something that a God of love does, because that is not a loving way of relating to, nor treating, another human being.

I believe in a God of Love, not a God of Will. So so I don't believe that; ****philia, torture, rape, or murder is OK simply because someone says that God says it's OK.

Something that is cross-cutural and cross-religious are Near Death Experiences, and practically every single person says that God's nature is love, and only wants everyone to be happy and healthy. People who believed in a God of will are shocked to find a God of love.

A very good book showing the research regarding people's experiences of God when they had near death experiences...

So basically your morals are based on what makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

House of cards would be an understatement to describe your moral compass

If God is established to be true, and we can prove that Islam is true, then Islam can theoretically tell you that burning orphanages is morally good and it would be so. It doesnt matter if the whole world hates it. Thats the reality we live in. The only questions you should be asking yourself are "Was Mohammad really a prophet that got messages from God?", instead of going pseudophilosopher and bogging yourself down with minutiae.

Near death experiences and subjective hallucinations do not mean anything as a means of proving anything. They are neither empirical, deductive or based on reliable testimony. Islam is not like christianity where we claim to get visions of Jesus saying he loves us. We are based in reason and logic and that is why we are taken seriously as a religion.

I see your philosophy and logic game is just as weak as your history and medicine. I dont think you ever really understood what you left.

[BetaAsPhuck]

So basically your morals are based on what makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

No, it's virtue ethics. The core guiding value/principle being Agape.

Have you done much reading on Ethical Philosophy?

I recommend Alasdair MacIntyre and Eric J Silverman.

A lot of people are either used to rule based or consequentialist ethics, so virtue ethics is a mystery to them.

If God is established to be true, and we can prove that Islam is true, Islam can theoretically tell you that burning orphanages is morally good and it would be so.

Again, the evil of Divine Command Theory.

I see your philosophy and logic game is just as weak as your history and medicine

Please read more ethical philsophy, please read more on how the human body matures biologically.

I'm off for my walk... We are way off topic now anyway.

[p100]

Peadofeelya has a specific definition. also spelled paedophilia, also called ****philic disorder or ****philia disorder, in conventional usage, a psychosexual disorder, generally affecting adults, characterized by sexual interest in prepubescent children or attempts to engage in sexual acts with prepubescent children.


Please use the word correctly. The key word is prepubescent.

In Islam Aisha was offered for marriage at 6 years old. The Prophet (PBUH) said no, wait until the has at least reached puberty. So the marriage was post-poned for 3 years. (others say she got married at 13 and others at 16, however the 9 is most popular) He could have taken her as a wife sooner and that would have been normal for Arabia at that time, however he intentionally waited until she had reached puberty.

Please use words correctly. Words have meanings that are not based on emotion.

Please read more ethical philsophy, please read more on how the human body matures biologically.

Give objective proof that good and bad are real things. Anyone that tries to say ethics are real is just making complicated emotional arguments without objective proof.

[BetaAsPhuck]

In Islam Aisha was offered for marriage at 6 years old. The Prophet (PBUH) said no, wait until the has at least reached puberty. So the marriage was post-poned for 3 years. (others say she got married at 13 and others at 16, however the 9 is most popular) He could have taken her as a wife sooner and that would have been normal for Arabia at that time, however he intentionally waited until she had reached puberty.

Please use words correctly. Words have meanings that are not based on emotion.

Someone who is attracted and 'has sex' (i.e. rapes) Lima Medina is not a ****phile then according to you, simply because she began puberty, despite her appearence being of a prepubescent woman?





According to your definition, her appearance doesn't matter, all that matters is that she has began puberty, so anyone attracted to her and 'has sex' with her is not a ****phile?

Is that correct?

[spacecowb0y]

So cliffs of this page is that AA43560 is a ****phile?

[AA43560]

Peadofeelya has a specific definition. also spelled paedophilia, also called ****philic disorder or ****philia disorder, in conventional usage, a psychosexual disorder, generally affecting adults, characterized by sexual interest in prepubescent children or attempts to engage in sexual acts with prepubescent children.


Please use the word correctly. The key word is prepubescent.

In Islam Aisha was offered for marriage at 6 years old. The Prophet (PBUH) said no, wait until the has at least reached puberty. So the marriage was post-poned for 3 years. (others say she got married at 13 and others at 16, however the 9 is most popular) He could have taken her as a wife sooner and that would have been normal for Arabia at that time, however he intentionally waited until she had reached puberty.

Please use words correctly. Words have meanings that are not based on emotion.







Give objective proof that good and bad are real things. Anyone that tries to say ethics are real is just making complicated emotional arguments without objective proof.

The biggest conundrum that has never been answered. Why would he wait 3 years? It doesnt make sense if he was a "****". He had a dedicated large band of followers and surely could have gotten away with it.

[AA43560]

So cliffs of this page is that AA43560 is a ****phile?

I prefer milfs actually, probably the unhealthy extreme opposite of a ****

[p100]

Someone who is attracted and 'has sex' (i.e. rapes) Lima Medina is not a ****phile then according to you, simply because she began puberty, despite her appearence being of a prepubescent woman?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/****philia
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...ish/****philia
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/****philia?s=t

Feel free to argue with the dictionary boyo. Just in case you try to say the defitions say children.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/child?s=t
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/.../english/child

[BetaAsPhuck]

The biggest conundrum that has never been answered. Why would he wait 3 years? It doesnt make sense if he was a "****". He had a dedicated large band of followers and surely could have gotten away with it.

It makes sense, because he had a primitive understanding of biological maturation. He thought that menarche = womanhood.

He didn't take into account things like pelvis development.

He also seemed to be unaware of the increased risk of pregnancy that pre-teen and teen pregnancies had, and set a bad example for muslims for the centuries later.

[AA43560]

It makes sense, because he had a primitive understanding of biological maturation. He thought that menarche = womanhood.

He didn't take into account things like pelvis development.

He also seemed to be unaware of the increased risk of pregnancy that pre-teen and teen pregnancies had, and set a bad example for muslims for the centuries later.

Why would a **** care about "pelvis development" They dont want a pelvis developed, because a developed pelvis is a feature of a woman, not a child.

****s dont want to get their victims pregnant or raise a family with them. They just want to use them as a paraphilic tool.

Why did he not marry more 6 year olds?

Why were most of his wives divorcees and widows (looked down upon as "used" by society at the time)?

Very very strange

[p100]

Why would a **** care about "pelvis development"

****s dont want to get their victims pregnant or raise a family with them. They just want to use them as a paraphilic tool.

Betaasphuck keeps changing his argument. He tries to argue biology, then when a biological defintion is provided he says "oh no, but I FEEL emotionally that it doesn't apply because of how something looks." He has no consistency in his arguments.


I would also appreciate him to provide an objective proof of good and bad. This way we can have a starting point if he is trying to argue a particular ethical point of view.