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    I guess im confused about how eating 1 cups of dry oats would take longer than like 3 cups of cooked oats... its 1/3 the volume. Not to mention it takes up 1/3 the volume in your stomach.
    But I think the idea there is exactly that: it's one cup instead of three, ergo "surprisingly low calorie."
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    But I think the idea there is exactly that: it's one cup instead of three, ergo "surprisingly low calorie."
    Huh?

    Dry oats have more calories by gram vs cooked... so cooked oats would be ‘more surprisingly’ low calories than raw...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Huh?

    Dry oats have more calories by gram vs cooked... so cooked oats would be ‘more surprisingly’ low calories than raw...
    Cool, I actually didn't know that.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Cool, I actually didn't know that.
    Anything that absorbs water during cooking will have the same result... rice, pasta, cous cous, quinoa... the more water content, the less calories by gram
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Anything that absorbs water during cooking will have the same result... rice, pasta, cous cous, quinoa... the more water content, the less calories by gram
    Oh, I thought we were starting from the same dry measured amount, and you meant that the cooked oats would have less, due to starch and such being released from them.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Oh, I thought we were starting from the same dry measured amount, and you meant that the cooked oats would have less, due to starch and such being released from them.
    Well no... though there is some truth to eating cold oats (after cooking) having less usable calories due to resistant starch
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    You’d also end up very lonely when all your friends abandon you due to horrible farts ;-)
    Win-win bro. Start your day with an egg-white and broccoli omelette, some bran flakes, & a big tall glass of prune juice. Follow it up with a couple sugar-free chocolate candies for dessert & you'll emit such noxious fumes that you'll NEVER have to worry about having friends or family inviting you out to partake in potentially calorie-laden meals or drinks because they'll just associate you with constant ass stench. I recommend you superset this with sugar-free cough drops & Le Croix water for maximum leanness gains.
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    Well no... though there is some truth to eating cold oats (after cooking) having less usable calories due to resistant starch
    This is majoring in the minors imo. Oats for me have been a constant tool for gaining because I love dressing them up with pb, dark choc, fruit, and other delicious toppings. They're good for weight loss primarily because they're just so damn filling. Whether eaten hot or cold, they keep me full for hours. I can't imagine it makes much difference whether they're cooked or not to get that satiating effect.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Win-win bro. Start your day with an egg-white and broccoli omelette, some bran flakes, & a big tall glass of prune juice. Follow it up with a couple sugar-free chocolate candies for dessert & you'll emit such noxious fumes that you'll NEVER have to worry about having friends or family inviting you out to partake in potentially calorie-laden meals or drinks because they'll just associate you with constant ass stench. I recommend you superset this with sugar-free cough drops & Le Croix water for maximum leanness gains.

    This is majoring in the minors imo. Oats for me have been a constant tool for gaining because I love dressing them up with pb, dark choc, fruit, and other delicious toppings. They're good for weight loss primarily because they're just so damn filling. Whether eaten hot or cold, they keep me full for hours. I can't imagine it makes much difference whether they're cooked or not to get that satiating effect.
    Lol oh man that sounds horrible... the essential cocktail for never getting a date ever again.

    Agreed on the oats, I was mainly just pointing out the benefits of oats are largely due to fiber and volume, tho I guess if anyone really wanted to nitpick, I guess cold oats (much like cold potatoes) could have a slight advantage... but personally it makes no difference to me! Gotta have my oats either way
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    personally it makes no difference to me! Gotta have my oats either way
    Agreed. Oats are the goat for bulking/cutting/maintaining/living.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Agreed. Oats are the goat for bulking/cutting/maintaining/living.
    Every morning dude... i don't know how they don't get old... I think i've gone maybe 5-10 days this whole year without having oats.
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    Every morning dude... i don't know how they don't get old... I think i've gone maybe 5-10 days this whole year without having oats.
    thats how I am with yogurt everyday
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    Originally Posted by snailsrus View Post
    thats how I am with yogurt everyday
    Similar for me... Oats, yogurt, berries, and nut butters =o). And some kind of protein bar
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Every morning dude... i don't know how they don't get old... I think i've gone maybe 5-10 days this whole year without having oats.
    Oats = Food of the gods

    Love it every morning as well.
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    Originally Posted by 1MANU View Post
    Oats = Food of the gods

    Love it every morning as well.




    My current style is to mix it up with my protein powder, and then top it with PB and 1-2 square of 80% dark chocolate, with some berries... the melted chocolate along with the PB and the protein... man... sometimes I wish I had two stomaches so I could have it twice.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Similar for me... Oats, yogurt, berries, and nut butters =o). And some kind of protein bar
    Same. I can't actually recall the last day I didn't eat those things.

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    My current style is to mix it up with my protein powder, and then top it with PB and 1-2 square of 80% dark chocolate, with some berries... the melted chocolate along with the PB and the protein... man... sometimes I wish I had two stomaches so I could have it twice.
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    Originally Posted by Strawng View Post
    Same. I can't actually recall the last day I didn't eat those things.


    EXACTLY how I eat it! Srs. Erryday.
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    Well I’ve been convinced to buy oats and shirrtaki noodles.

    I will also throw sushi out there as surprisingly low calories. I estimate ‘normal sushi rolls’ to be about 50 calories per piece. I ate 20 pieces last night for dinner, only 1k calories!
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    Originally Posted by poker27 View Post
    Well I’ve been convinced to buy oats and shirrtaki noodles.

    I will also throw sushi out there as surprisingly low calories. I estimate ‘normal sushi rolls’ to be about 50 calories per piece. I ate 20 pieces last night for dinner, only 1k calories!
    You needed a tip to buy oats?
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    Second vote for these, I recently learned about them and they're pretty incredible.
    Taste wise how are these? Should I get them? I think they're expensive as on amazon. (It's not in my local stores)
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    Anything that's mostly protein. Satisfies hunger with minimal (net) calorie consequence.

    Surprisingly most people still count protein as same energy 'content' to carbs when calculating energy balance. While it does (in a bomb calorimeter), excess protein consumed in the body only adds about 20% of original value to your energy balance due to the way it is processed into usable energy.

    Protein used for wear & tear of tissue or synthesis of new tissue is just raw material building blocks, and has no bearing on energy balance.
    Any protein beyond this requirement is converted to glucose with 57% efficiency (so you lose 43% of energy content during conversion), then requires toxic nitrogen component to be eliminated which costs another approx 30-35%.

    So you only net a small fraction of excess protein as usable energy that counts towards energy balance. Thats why high protein is so effective for weight loss & can actually hamper size gains in people with fast metabolisms that struggle getting enough usable calories in.
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    I will also throw sushi out there as surprisingly low calories. I estimate ‘normal sushi rolls’ to be about 50 calories per piece. I ate 20 pieces last night for dinner, only 1k calories!
    Idk bro it seems like my stomach knows no bounds when it comes to sushi. I can eat a seemingly endless amount of fish and rice.
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    Idk bro it seems like my stomach knows no bounds when it comes to sushi. I can eat a seemingly endless amount of fish and rice.
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    I have a second stomach just for sushi
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    Originally Posted by perpendicularis View Post
    Anything that's mostly protein. Satisfies hunger with minimal (net) calorie consequence.

    Surprisingly most people still count protein as same energy 'content' to carbs when calculating energy balance. While it does (in a bomb calorimeter), excess protein consumed in the body only adds about 20% of original value to your energy balance due to the way it is processed into usable energy.

    Protein used for wear & tear of tissue or synthesis of new tissue is just raw material building blocks, and has no bearing on energy balance.
    Any protein beyond this requirement is converted to glucose with 57% efficiency (so you lose 43% of energy content during conversion), then requires toxic nitrogen component to be eliminated which costs another approx 30-35%.

    So you only net a small fraction of excess protein as usable energy that counts towards energy balance. Thats why high protein is so effective for weight loss & can actually hamper size gains in people with fast metabolisms that struggle getting enough usable calories in.
    Where did you find this? I know that gluconeogenesis has around a 70% efficiency, but do you have any studies that show only 20-25% of excess protein is usable.
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