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    Safe pools in my opinion on PancakeSwap are
    1) Stablecoin:Stablecoin This has 0% risk of IL but gets around 20% APY
    2) BTC:BNB I think this is safe just by looking at BNB and BTC charts, exact mirrors. Around 50-70% APY
    3) Cake-BNB. Cake goes with BNB. Risk would be Cake dropping with BNB pumping. Would end up with a larger stack of CAKE. Around 140% APY or more on different platforms.

    Anything above this is degen and relies on exit and entering at the right times. Best case is to enter when the schitcoin pair is at its lowest and will increase while the other asset (usually BNB) will stay stable.
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    Originally Posted by dankydank View Post
    Safe pools in my opinion on PancakeSwap are
    1) Stablecoin:Stablecoin This has 0% risk of IL but gets around 20% APY
    2) BTC:BNB I think this is safe just by looking at BNB and BTC charts, exact mirrors. Around 50-70% APY
    3) Cake-BNB. Cake goes with BNB. Risk would be Cake dropping with BNB pumping. Would end up with a larger stack of CAKE. Around 140% APY or more on different platforms.

    Anything above this is degen and relies on exit and entering at the right times. Best case is to enter when the schitcoin pair is at its lowest and will increase while the other asset (usually BNB) will stay stable.
    Repped. Is staking then just not one of the best moves in crypto right now? Trading is time consuming, nerve wracking, and ultimate a losing gamble. The only real risk is an exchange hack or crypto dumping, and in the latter case being in crypto at all during a bear market is just worse. I suppose I may as well drop a fairly large stack into CAKE and BNB staking. Going to wait to see if we hit $210-220 BNB then I'll go balls deep with my remaining fiat. Even 4% monthly return of my stack as BNB at current prices is a fairly nice passive income. My poverty research makes it look like farming is better but I guess more drawbacks?

    edit: Read the binance academy page. Will be in on this soon
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    Originally Posted by dankydank View Post
    Safe pools in my opinion on PancakeSwap are
    1) Stablecoin:Stablecoin This has 0% risk of IL but gets around 20% APY
    2) BTC:BNB I think this is safe just by looking at BNB and BTC charts, exact mirrors. Around 50-70% APY
    3) Cake-BNB. Cake goes with BNB. Risk would be Cake dropping with BNB pumping. Would end up with a larger stack of CAKE. Around 140% APY or more on different platforms.

    Anything above this is degen and relies on exit and entering at the right times. Best case is to enter when the schitcoin pair is at its lowest and will increase while the other asset (usually BNB) will stay stable.
    All very solid advice IMO. I am brand new to this, two things to add and discuss.

    I would wonder if BNB and BTC are close enough mirrors though. I guess I don't fully understand how much separation equates to how much loss, but I know that time BNB was pumping out 50% gains BTC definitely was not even close to doing the same.

    Why go stable-stable on PS for 20% APR when I am seeing single stables get 30-40% on Autofarm?
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    All very solid advice IMO. I am brand new to this, two things to add and discuss.

    I would wonder if BNB and BTC are close enough mirrors though. I guess I don't fully understand how much separation equates to how much loss, but I know that time BNB was pumping out 50% gains BTC definitely was not even close to doing the same.

    Why go stable-stable on PS for 20% APR when I am seeing single stables get 30-40% on Autofarm?
    Looks like Autofarm just seems to have better returns in general? Obviously seems much higher risk than pancakeswap though. 280% on CAKE/BNB there opposed to 138% on pancakeswap? I assume the 2x is only if you hold the Auto coin?
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    Originally Posted by Autumnal View Post
    Looks like Autofarm just seems to have better returns in general? Obviously seems much higher risk than pancakeswap though. 280% on CAKE/BNB there opposed to 138% on pancakeswap? I assume the 2x is only if you hold the Auto coin?
    From my understanding AutoFarm is using farms like PS however automatically compounding creating the higher returns (with I believe less fees since every time you choose to manually compound on PS you get a small charge for blockchain transaction?.)

    What would make you say PS is safer than AF? AF is catching up to PS in volume quickly. https://www.defistation.io/ Sketchy services all around if you ask me. That's why I will put some money in Nexo and Celsius as well, not as high interest but a step safer yet. Just gonna diversify my stale assets to acquire some interest while managing risk. My thoughts anyway.
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    Mostly because I have actually heard of pancakeswap and not autofarm I would presume pancakeswap is a more "known" and by extension likely safer bet. May be mistaken. Also JFL at US regulations, do I seriously have to fkin make a binance.com account under a VPN and transfer from my binance.us account to it because you can't transfer BNB onto the BSC network? What kind of bullchit is that? Do I have to bypass KYC to withdraw a sizeable amount of BNB off binance.com? Ffs.


    edit: reading there is a binance extension for this apparently. Reviews absolutely trashing it however. The US regulations are just strangling a lot of potential users in this space, it's so unnecessary. Not only do they want to take a cut via taxes for literally doing nothing and taking no risk, I can't even do half of the chit you can do elsewhere in the world.
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    Originally Posted by Autumnal View Post
    Mostly because I have actually heard of pancakeswap and not autofarm I would presume pancakeswap is a more "known" and by extension likely safer bet. May be mistaken. Also JFL at US regulations, do I seriously have to fkin make a binance.com account under a VPN and transfer from my binance.us account to it because you can't transfer BNB onto the BSC network? What kind of bullchit is that? Do I have to bypass KYC to withdraw a sizeable amount of BNB off binance.com? Ffs.


    edit: reading there is a binance extension for this apparently. Reviews absolutely trashing it however. The US regulations are just strangling a lot of potential users in this space, it's so unnecessary. Not only do they want to take a cut via taxes for literally doing nothing and taking no risk, I can't even do half of the chit you can do elsewhere in the world.
    You think you got it bad? Try living in NY on top of it.

    But I am not sure what type of issues you are having. On my regular Binance account I have never had any issue sending any type of crypto to an external wallet. They just prevent me from trading. Are you saying you can't move funds off of Binance.us?
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    You think you got it bad? Try living in NY on top of it.

    But I am not sure what type of issues you are having. On my regular Binance account I have never had any issue sending any type of crypto to an external wallet. They just prevent me from trading. Are you saying you can't move funds off of Binance.us?
    I cannot move my BNB directly to the Binance Smart Chain on my metamask wallet to transfer to defi farming. You cannot withdraw tokens onto the BEP-20 network on binance.us, withdrawals have to be on BEP-2 network instead of BEP-20. I'm trying to use the chit binance wallet extension with one BNB to see if I can make the transfer on that wallet then onto a defi before I commit more since so many reviews are saying the extension is barely functional. Or am I missing something? Googling around indicates you have to go through this process.

    Or can I just swap it on metamask from something like eth and eat a fee? Haven't messed around with wallets much. Might be overcomplicating this but this medium article is indicating this is the way to do it.
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    Originally Posted by Autumnal View Post
    I cannot move my BNB directly to the Binance Smart Chain on my metamask wallet to transfer to defi farming. You cannot withdraw tokens onto the BEP-20 network on binance.us, withdrawals have to be on BEP-2 network instead of BEP-20. I'm trying to use the chit binance wallet extension with one BNB to see if I can make the transfer on that wallet then onto a defi before I commit more since so many reviews are saying the extension is barely functional. Or am I missing something? Googling around indicates you have to go through this process.

    Or can I just swap it on metamask from something like eth and eat a fee? Haven't messed around with wallets much. Might be overcomplicating this but this medium article is indicating this is the way to do it.
    I haven't used metamask for BSC so can't comment there but TrustWallet has worked for me and integrates very well with Dapps like PancakeSwap and AutoFarm. You get a fee on TrustWallet for switching to BSC but it's very small.
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    I haven't used metamask for BSC so can't comment there but TrustWallet has worked for me and integrates very well with Dapps like PancakeSwap and AutoFarm. You get a fee on TrustWallet for switching to BSC but it's very small.
    Well I put half my stack into autofarm for wbnb, cake, and wbnb-cake. Kind of a relief to just let it sit there passively collecting money. I am still a bit uncertain on if the wbnb-cake pair is better than just staking wbnb and cake individually, reading about impermanent losses and whatnot is just making me more confused. Is it not just a bigger risk to have the pair despite a bit more % earning? Or maybe this is offset by the trading fee gains, but I assume you don't really get that on autofarm? I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

    If I get exit scammed you are getting a big fat neg. Thanks for the advice brah but jfl what a goddamn headache, that took like two hours and like $100 in fees moving chit around a million times. Shoot me your BNB wallet and I'll send you a small tip.

    Also, in for the 78.6 milllion % APR on viking-busd jfl

    Also found https://farm.br34p.finance/ which just has straight up higher staking rewards but I assume is a complete and utter exit scam ofc. Like wtf are these %s? 3.8K% APR on DOT for instance (though it's "closed"). A lot of that is in RAKE which has 140k daily trading volume but still. I wonder how many of these forks are out there.
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    TrustWallet has an option to convert BNB to WBNB to use on BSC. Thats how I did mine without getting Binance involved since I'm in Texas. The Autofarm APY that is shown is for Auto generated. The farm APR is what you get for giving liquidity. You get the same rates for the farm its using but it auto compounds it which saves fees. Each time you harvest or compound on PancakeSwap you will pay ~$0.5 each time which adds up over time. One big difference between liquidity pooling vs borrow/lend platforms is you get fees for all exchanges made on liquidity pooling. If you're big enough then it adds up a lot. For example, some pairs may due up to 250k in fees per day on Uniswap. Once gas goes down and volume goes up, the fees would go even higher. Every transaction has a 0.3% fee and you get a percentage of that based on how much liquidity you provide. For example, if a pair has 400 million liquidity, and you provide 1 million, you would get 0.25% of all fees. If it is doing 250k in fees per day, that is 625 dollars earned per day in fees or ~230k earned per year in fees. Celsius, AAVE, and other lending platforms don't provide fees for transactions.
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    Got some OMI, SNFT (I'm in the airdrop), looking at others. I think NFTs are going to be huge. First real use-case outside of defi for crypto with insane usage imo, whether people can see it now or not.

    The other side of that is, even if it doesn't get to where I think it's going people are hearing the hype and will want in whether they understand why there is hype or not. This past run as I see was big on defi and ways to earn off of your current cash. I see the next one as still the same, but also a phase into the start of some actual use cases outside of currency that reinforce the presence of crypto to normies as permanent tech, not just a fiat replacement, and also it's inevitability to take over so many sectors.
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    TrustWallet does seem superior, I'll probably use that in the future instead of metamask. Yeah, I see that a lot of the % gain is in AUTO but it has enough trading volume that it doesn't particularly bother me. I The WBNB-Auto LP payout is pretty nuts as well, tempted to throw some money in there.
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    . I wonder how many of these forks are out there.
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    Originally Posted by Autumnal View Post
    TrustWallet does seem superior, I'll probably use that in the future instead of metamask. Yeah, I see that a lot of the % gain is in AUTO but it has enough trading volume that it doesn't particularly bother me. I The WBNB-Auto LP payout is pretty nuts as well, tempted to throw some money in there.
    Personally it never happened to me but I keep on hearing MetaMask wallets being hacked and stuff. The thing is their security is almost identical to TrustWallet so it implies inside job or really bad code.
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    Product marketing at niantic labs / pokemongo just tweeted that Flow Blockchain is the future. Broootal for noflowcels.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/VeronicaS...21178066833411
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    Seems like gonna be some cheap flow after the first of the year.
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    Originally Posted by Autumnal View Post
    Well I put half my stack into autofarm for wbnb, cake, and wbnb-cake. Kind of a relief to just let it sit there passively collecting money. I am still a bit uncertain on if the wbnb-cake pair is better than just staking wbnb and cake individually, reading about impermanent losses and whatnot is just making me more confused. Is it not just a bigger risk to have the pair despite a bit more % earning? Or maybe this is offset by the trading fee gains, but I assume you don't really get that on autofarm? I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

    If I get exit scammed you are getting a big fat neg. Thanks for the advice brah but jfl what a goddamn headache, that took like two hours and like $100 in fees moving chit around a million times. Shoot me your BNB wallet and I'll send you a small tip.

    Also, in for the 78.6 milllion % APR on viking-busd jfl

    Also found https://farm.br34p.finance/ which just has straight up higher staking rewards but I assume is a complete and utter exit scam ofc. Like wtf are these %s? 3.8K% APR on DOT for instance (though it's "closed"). A lot of that is in RAKE which has 140k daily trading volume but still. I wonder how many of these forks are out there.
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    Be careful on some of those pairs which have volatility possibility.

    AF rugging is definitely possible, I just don't see it as much more possible than Pancake or the others doing big volume. If I had more trust in AF I'd dump a ton of stable coin money in it, 30-40% APR is tremendous. A lot of the farms popping up with insane APYs are just total rugs right from the start, and some people make big money getting in and out but you never know when they will pull the rug, too much risk for me.

    Originally Posted by Autumnal View Post
    TrustWallet does seem superior, I'll probably use that in the future instead of metamask. Yeah, I see that a lot of the % gain is in AUTO but it has enough trading volume that it doesn't particularly bother me. I The WBNB-Auto LP payout is pretty nuts as well, tempted to throw some money in there.
    You using the app or some sort of web interface?

    Originally Posted by DoYouEvenNEM View Post
    Personally it never happened to me but I keep on hearing MetaMask wallets being hacked and stuff. The thing is their security is almost identical to TrustWallet so it implies inside job or really bad code.
    I wouldn't use MM without a hardware wallet.
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    Don't worry, I'm not that generous.

    But I just went all in on staking Cake and BNB. I'm honestly okay with being all in on BNB alone and if you can stake it for 50% I don't see why everyone wouldn't just do this, though I also can't complain about 300% from CAKE (even if 50% of these percentages are rewards of a different coin but that coin can be swapped on pancakeswap and has some liquidity and volume to it).

    I doubt I will make more than 50% more of a stack from daytrading and it requires zero effort. Why are more people not discussing this and how to do it? You can turn a relatively small stack into millions in a few years assuming we don't go into another awful bear market (which we probably will but you can wait it out until the next bull market). NFTs may also be the 2021 ICOs and be milkable for 6 months at least though not sure if I want to get into literal beanie babies.

    I very specifically remember talking with people in the 2018 crypto thread about BNB at $5 when it was just a trading fee reducer linked to the exchange, I probably had 1-2k at one point and knew people with much larger bags of it. Maybe one of the only coins that has generated any actual tangible use cases. Crazy to think how many of these missed millionaire chances there are in crypto, yet I remain in relative poverty. Pissening.

    I'll take that $10 back if I lose it all through a bug or hack.
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    Be careful on some of those pairs which have volatility possibility.
    This video is talking about impermanent loss when one asset goes up, that you lose out on profit if you had just held both assets separately.

    However its way worse if one of the assets tanks in price.

    I provided LP of a chitcoin/5 eth at 50/50 ratio i.e. 10 eth equivalent of total value. The chitcoin tanked like 95% after hype ran out, withdrawing from the liquidity pool I lost pretty much everything including the 5 eth provided, was just left with the worthless chitcoin.

    When I first got into defi I thought ild just lose the chitcoin value, but ild keep my 5 eth. Not the case.
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    Don't worry, I'm not that generous.

    But I just went all in on staking Cake and BNB. I'm honestly okay with being all in on BNB alone and if you can stake it for 50% I don't see why everyone wouldn't just do this, though I also can't complain about 300% from CAKE (even if 50% of these percentages are rewards of a different coin but that coin can be swapped on pancakeswap and has some liquidity and volume to it).

    I doubt I will make more than 50% more of a stack from daytrading and it requires zero effort. Why are more people not discussing this and how to do it? You can turn a relatively small stack into millions in a few years assuming we don't go into another awful bear market (which we probably will but you can wait it out until the next bull market). NFTs may also be the 2021 ICOs and be milkable for 6 months at least though not sure if I want to get into literal beanie babies.

    I very specifically remember talking with people in the 2018 crypto thread about BNB at $5 when it was just a trading fee reducer linked to the exchange, I probably had 1-2k at one point and knew people with much larger bags of it. Maybe one of the only coins that has generated any actual tangible use cases. Crazy to think how many of these missed millionaire chances there are in crypto, yet I remain in relative poverty. Pissening.

    I'll take that $10 back if I lose it all through a bug or hack.
    I mean I think a lot of people still don't even know about yield farming is or even basic savings and lending yields they can get from cefi. But it's all about risk. If these outfits had real FDIC and SIPC I'd be all-in and so would the rest of the world.


    Originally Posted by mcdojo View Post
    This video is talking about impermanent loss when one asset goes up, that you lose out on profit if you had just held both assets separately.

    However its way worse if one of the assets tanks in price.

    I provided LP of a chitcoin/5 eth at 50/50 ratio i.e. 10 eth equivalent of total value. The chitcoin tanked like 95% after hype ran out, withdrawing from the liquidity pool I lost pretty much everything including the 5 eth provided, was just left with the worthless chitcoin.

    When I first got into defi I thought ild just lose the chitcoin value, but ild keep my 5 eth. Not the case.
    Yea, that's why I ain't touching that stuff. Those Viking pairs on AF look really temping but I am sweet earning my 30-50% APY in a much safer fashion.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I mean I think a lot of people still don't even know about yield farming is or even basic savings and lending yields they can get from cefi. But it's all about risk. If these outfits had real FDIC and SIPC I'd be all-in and so would the rest of the world.




    Yea, that's why I ain't touching that stuff. Those Viking pairs on AF look really temping but I am sweet earning my 30-50% APY in a much safer fashion.
    I initially ignored it because I thought it was the 0 worth VIK token but it's actually Viking swap which is something you can actually sell (albeit on their exchange, and it may mysteriously close down in a week). I assume the price will continue to tank so maybe it's never worth it even over a day or two as it will likely continue to drop by greater than the yield percentage every day? I suppose there is no reason for anyone to ever actually buy beyond the initial amount to stake it, opposed to selling their yield except for the 30k company buybacks or whatever they're doing every once in a while.
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    Originally Posted by mcdojo View Post
    This video is talking about impermanent loss when one asset goes up, that you lose out on profit if you had just held both assets separately.

    However its way worse if one of the assets tanks in price.

    I provided LP of a chitcoin/5 eth at 50/50 ratio i.e. 10 eth equivalent of total value. The chitcoin tanked like 95% after hype ran out, withdrawing from the liquidity pool I lost pretty much everything including the 5 eth provided, was just left with the worthless chitcoin.

    When I first got into defi I thought ild just lose the chitcoin value, but ild keep my 5 eth. Not the case.
    This is why I don't touch LPing, while most LP rewards on aggregators provide additional tokens as an incentive it looks sexy while times are good.. but other than the important randomness of IL tracking if there is 1 major fault, rug etc I guarantee the biggest wallets will be out draining the eth before you, leaving you with ****coin bags that are worthless.

    In saying that I know guys whose bread and butter is to hit a project hard when it releases, farming the **** out of a project in the short term while rewards are greatest.. then bailing once they feel they've got enough relative to risk of continuing the farm while nerds try to find exploits. Definitely less of an issue LPing on good platforms and stable pairs + projects, but then there is the relative decrease in rewards that come with lower risk.
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    anyone else bullish on ltc for this month with the mimble wimble update + paypal merchant payments supposedly coming in q1?
    Tech doesn't matter JFL. Thought people would learn by now with Cosmos and muh hardfork ADAcels. Also I'm degenmaxxing in the Viking-BNB pool. I posted pics of my gains earlier which is why people here started yield farming. If you don't know what you're doing then just start small and see what happens and track it using yieldwatch. Also Yieldwatch is doing an IDO on PancakeSwap for their WATCH coin. They have PRO features coming out that you need the WATCH in your wallet to activate. I might try to get in on it because I heard the Coin price moons after IDO release so it's a good easy flip. I've been in VikingSwap AUTO for a few days at 5k and I'm down to 3.7k right now because of IP. Viking was at $60 when I started and its at 16 right now. Caused a massive loss in assets. At this point I'm just sticking it out to recoup loss through AP and possibility that Viking goes back up which its starting to do as it is one of the actual real projects. I'm down 1.3k by IP, but if Viking goes up, I'm up by 2k+. I would just stick to safe PancakeSwap pools I mentioned above and if you want to degenmaxx then pick any of the 10+ new forks coming out a day and dump $1-2k in it and get 1000% ROI a day on the 15,000+ APR. Stick in it for 1-2 hours max and get out with like $200-500 bucks.

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