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    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe View Post
    1) You've still shown 0 security flaws with Nano, neverminded the fact that BItcoin has had several through inception. Keep talking about security, though.

    2) Nano is worthless? It's up over 200% in the past 30 days. I'm green as **** with Nano, I could sell even if the market goes back to bear mode and still net a profit.

    3) I don't give a **** how long you've posted on the misc? I've never participated in the misc crypto thread or investing thread much in the past. I've been in crypto just as long as you. Your longevity of posting in the MISC's crypto thread != you being a know it all about the market.

    You've literally:
    -Given no legitimate security flaws and issues with Nano: i.e., no proof of vulnerabilities
    -Can't attribute anything wrong with Nano besides "but bitcoin has ___"

    "I suppose you can be another special snowflake that thinks you are right and everyone else is wrong"

    I mean, this is EXACTLY what you are doing. You've provided nothing of substance. I'm beginning to think your bias against Nano is simply YOU made bad decisions and YOU caused yourself to get burned by it, but your ego is too huge to accept the fact that you made the mistakes.

    "hold those bags to 0", lol, it's boomer mentality like this that made people miss out on stuff such as Tesla, or Bitcoin back in the day. Not that Nano would ever get that valuation, but regardless, keep staying close-minded.
    You did not address any of the points i raised in the OP.

    1.
    How does Nano stop spam attacks? how does a PoW header stop a scripted mining farm from making new wallets and spamming the network. Prove it.
    How does a feeless network attract more nodes and by extension security? why is the node count declining over 3 years?
    Why is a network with 0 value worth attacking in the first place?

    2.
    Up 200% and still down 90% from ATHs lmfao. Meanwhile every other worthwhile project has recovered or exceeded ATHs.

    3.
    This was raised because you accused me of not owning cryptocurrency you brain dead moron.

    I bought raiblocks in the cents range lmfao (which you can check in the OG thread). I have a thing they call "critical" analysis, if the fundamentals for my bags aren't right, I dump it and I did in profit. Meanwhile others like yourself get married to your bags and you die with it.

    I'm a profit maximalist so there is no point being close-minded. Some projects are bad and are ghost chains (Nano, Tron, Bitconnect etc) whereas others make you money (BTC, SNX, AAVE, SUSHI, REN etc) and have thriving eco-systems.

    I'll dump any of the cryptocurrency I hold if my investment thesis is invalidated. I recognized my nano were severely overvalued at $15 when the network had no effective way of incentivizing activity + security so I dumped most of my bags i bought at $0.1-$1. Admitedly I held a moonbag I held and sold at $4 after the retraction but dumping it was overall one of the better decisions I have made.

    Nano is absolute garbage and no one is buying it.
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    Originally Posted by mcdojo View Post
    In what way are the samsung metric skewed. End of day is they have 400million active users that can be shown ads, Brave has like 3million that is willing to see ads.

    A competent company can easily crush brave.

    At the point in time brave is at now 4 years in, Google Chrome went to not existing, to already becoming the no.1 browser, completely dominating the market leader at the time firefox (lead by brave's CEO).

    Brave's CEO literally lost their number one position within 4 years when they were the TOP DOG. Why was he so incompetent that his browser lost its position so quick? Why did he choose to use chrominum to base Brave off and not firefox, despite him actually developing firefox lmao. Isnt he admitting his own product was inferior?

    Also people have already shown that you can run a VPN and be paid bat at 'american' rates lmao. The solution? People told them not to do it because its dishonest.
    You actually think 400m users use samsung browser? Lol, babbys first google search?

    Also firefox lost dominance to chrome because google search pushed everyone to download it from the search page, and results page, plus it was actually good. Also not sure why switching engines is even controversial? Starting new vs building on top of a rusted frame.
    lol at chromecels and firefoxcels

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    Holy ****

    Early 2018, Nano had 1500+ nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrenc...on_to_bitcoin/

    Now it has 104.....https://nanocrawler.cc/network

    This is the epitome of a dying network. For those that don't know what a node does, it secures the blockchain (or in Nano's case the block lattice) by verifying and propogating transaction data. Low node counts are also really bad for DAG/block-lattice networks.

    Strongly advisable that you do not buy Nano but who knows in a bull market, a rising tide floats all ships, even the most unseaworthy.
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    Originally Posted by Serenadium View Post
    Holy ****

    Early 2018, Nano had 1500+ nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrenc...on_to_bitcoin/

    Now it has 104.....https://nanocrawler.cc/network

    This is the epitome of a dying network. For those that don't know what a node does, it secures the blockchain (or in Nano's case the block lattice) by verifying and propogating transaction data. Low node counts are also really bad for DAG/block-lattice networks.

    Strongly advisable that you do not buy Nano but who knows in a bull market, a rising tide floats all ships, even the most unseaworthy.
    Better than my WTC lmao
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    Originally Posted by BDSMBBW View Post
    [img]https://i.redd.it/5rnf2kbn72901.jpg[img]

    [img]https://i.redd.it/hmz6wrys13x01.jpg[img]
    lol.. even if this is a slight dig at me


    I'm not deluded to any of this btw, seen the memes. They hold.

    I'm sure some OG's had to figure it all out at some point, been burned and scarred to some degree during the '17 ICO craze, or altcoins in general. I've witnessed it from the outskirts. Hence the pessimism, which is justified.

    Also been aware of the crypto space to varying degrees since 2011, and left it on the wayside until recent. I was buying BTC back on Mt.Gox back then when they were $4-8 and had no exchanges like they do now. Foolish, but different times.

    I took a gamble on an ICO. I'll figure it out. Nobody knows what the fuk is going on imo.


    I wouldn't say smart, but if you guys did consider the listing I shared.. you could have 15x your initial stake within 17hrs. Not suggesting that, but still. I didn't do any harm.. Beats a Musk / Doge 2.5x pump.
    Jakes on you.

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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    Better than my WTC lmao
    It's only down 99.5%, LMAOOOOOO what a fkn jokeeeee

    wen china legalisation and price bump
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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    Better than my WTC lmao
    WTC is down -99.80% from its all time high value. Impressive.

    It still has some work to do to reach -100% though. Its almost there, but not yet.

    Originally Posted by FreshRollyG View Post
    lol.. even if this is a slight dig at me


    I'm not deluded to any of this btw, seen the memes. They hold.
    not targeted at you bro.

    i have been burned by alt coins way too many times in the last 3 or so years..There are definitely profitable alt coin traders out there , alt coins just aint for me thats all.
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    Originally Posted by Luc1fer View Post
    Better than my WTC lmao
    I cri eveytyme
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    Originally Posted by BDSMBBW View Post
    not targeted at you bro.

    i have been burned by alt coins way too many times in the last 3 or so years..There are definitely profitable alt coin traders out there , alt coins just aint for me thats all.
    Np mang, lol wasn't too sure as I did just participate in an ICO recently and that meme hits it. I'm sure I'll get a few scars along the way
    Jakes on you.

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    Originally Posted by Serenadium View Post
    You did not address any of the points i raised in the OP.

    1.
    How does Nano stop spam attacks? how does a PoW header stop a scripted mining farm from making new wallets and spamming the network. Prove it.
    How does a feeless network attract more nodes and by extension security? why is the node count declining over 3 years?
    Why is a network with 0 value worth attacking in the first place?

    2.
    Up 200% and still down 90% from ATHs lmfao. Meanwhile every other worthwhile project has recovered or exceeded ATHs.

    3.
    This was raised because you accused me of not owning cryptocurrency you brain dead moron.

    I bought raiblocks in the cents range lmfao (which you can check in the OG thread). I have a thing they call "critical" analysis, if the fundamentals for my bags aren't right, I dump it and I did in profit. Meanwhile others like yourself get married to your bags and you die with it.

    I'm a profit maximalist so there is no point being close-minded. Some projects are bad and are ghost chains (Nano, Tron, Bitconnect etc) whereas others make you money (BTC, SNX, AAVE, SUSHI, REN etc) and have thriving eco-systems.

    I'll dump any of the cryptocurrency I hold if my investment thesis is invalidated. I recognized my nano were severely overvalued at $15 when the network had no effective way of incentivizing activity + security so I dumped most of my bags i bought at $0.1-$1. Admitedly I held a moonbag I held and sold at $4 after the retraction but dumping it was overall one of the better decisions I have made.

    Nano is absolute garbage and no one is buying it.

    #1 Why do I need to prove anything? You show me proof of network security being compromised/capable of. If you're going to claim it's iNsEcURe, the burden of proof falls to you.

    Meanwhile, here's the Nano audit from professionals who know what they're talking about: https://medium.com/nanocurrency/nano...t-48760be8ab3d

    Meanwhile, here's all of Bitcoin's security flaws found: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...4/Bitcoin.html

    But anyways:
    -Nano users (not miners) have direct control over the network's level of decentralization, and they can remotely re-delegate their voting weight to anyone at any time.
    -Nano has deterministic finality. Your transaction is only considered confirmed after it achieves quorum, meaning that >50% of online vote weight voted for it & it had 50% more votes than any competing double spend/fork: https://docs.nano.org/protocol-desig...f-of-stake-pos
    -You can't reverse transactions on anyone's nodes after they've been confirmed, even if somehow an attacker obtained >50% vote weight: https://docs.nano.org/glossary/?h=+cem#cementing
    -Nano is pretty difficult to attack for multiple reasons, but a big one is design-time agreements. Basically the only time a fork can occur is due to a malicious actor or bad coding (i.e. forks are never accidental), so nodes can make policy decisions on what to do with forks: https://docs.nano.org/protocol-desig...irmation-speed
    -Nano has good solutions for all of the common cryptocurrency attacks. See here for details: https://docs.nano.org/protocol-design/attack-vectors/
    -Nano has had a 3rd-party security audit: https://medium.com/nanocurrency/nano...t-48760be8ab3d
    -Bitcoin had a 1-conf double spend in January: https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/s...81807881424898
    -Bitcoin has had a 6+ hour re-org in the past: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles...ork-1363144448
    -Bitcoin has had a supply inflation bug: https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-his...llion-btc-bug/
    -Bitcoin uses probabilistic finality, transactions can always be reversed with enough hashrate: https://sci.smithandcrown.com/glossa...cdeterministic
    -Lightning Network had a systemic vulnerability called "Flood & Loot": https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.08513
    -Nano has never been double spent, hacked, or had its supply inflated

    Feel free to show us how insecure Nano is. Not like there hasn't been lots of crypto's that have been hacked. I'm sure hackers have just not realized how easy Nano is to hack yet, according to your implications of an insecure network.

    #2 Name a cryptocurrency in the top 10 that's hit or been near their previous ATH besides Bitcoin. Ethereum has not even hit the price target of $1400+, yet.

    #3 Show me where I said that, you dyslexic moron.



    Originally Posted by Serenadium View Post
    Holy ****

    Early 2018, Nano had 1500+ nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrenc...on_to_bitcoin/

    Now it has 104.....https://nanocrawler.cc/network

    This is the epitome of a dying network. For those that don't know what a node does, it secures the blockchain (or in Nano's case the block lattice) by verifying and propogating transaction data. Low node counts are also really bad for DAG/block-lattice networks.

    Strongly advisable that you do not buy Nano but who knows in a bull market, a rising tide floats all ships, even the most unseaworthy.
    You've spouted misinformation time and time after again, clearly showing you actually don't even know anything about it. You do realize, that Nano didn't hit 100 P-Rep's until September 25, 2019, and that is that statistic you are talking about (104)? There is 111 total, right now, also, which is more than that 100 mark. That "1500+ nodes" includes non-voting nodes which are NOT representatives, and are a different type of node.

    And actually, even Bitcoin has less nodes than that same time period 2018: https://bitnodes.io/



    Hey, since Nano is so easy to hack and super insecure, why don't you script a simple bot to keep spamming speed test transactions between wallets and let us know how that works out?

    I just ran 21 test transactions (although you'll get banned if you keep doing it), and every single one finished in less than a second. Beautiful things was that I spam clicked it so it took like 2 seconds total:

    https://www.nanospeed.live/

    Maybe Bitcoin will get there one day, without the fees too (the irony here is BTC is still my 3rd largest holding in crypto for me, behind ETH and VET).
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    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe View Post
    #1 Why do I need to prove anything? You show me proof of network security being compromised/capable of. If you're going to claim it's iNsEcURe, the burden of proof falls to you.

    Meanwhile, here's the Nano audit from professionals who know what they're talking about: https://medium.com/nanocurrency/nano...t-48760be8ab3d

    Meanwhile, here's all of Bitcoin's security flaws found: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabi...4/Bitcoin.html
    As I have said countless time, only with scale and duration can you flesh out unknown/unknown attacks. Most of the bugs on Bitcoin (most minor and all easily fixable) were fleshed out because there is significant usage of Bitcoin with transactions of actual value. If there was no scale, these problems arenโ€™t discovered in the first place.

    Do you also honestly believe Bitcoin and BIPs arenโ€™t audited and robustly tested? some of the most talented cryptographers work on Bitcoin yet there are issues that are fleshed out with scale. Bitcoin is probably the most conservative blockchain in terms of security for improvement proposals in any case.

    My main gripe with Nano isnโ€™t with undiscovered bugs that canโ€™t be iterated over, itโ€™s that without a fee, it will never attract people to run nodes which is proving correct as I highly suspect a declining node count. Again, why would people pay for servers, hardware and energy to run nodes for free?. Without nodes you have less people validating and propagating transactions. With less nodes, a drop-out of highly weighted nodes put your entire network at risk.

    Audits donโ€™t mean **** given they canโ€™t detect unknown/unknown bugs. Here is a list of recent projects with tier 1 auditors that have been hacked for large sums:
    - MakerDAO โ€“ loss of 8.32 million previously audited by Peckshield, Trail of Bits, Callisto Network)
    - bZx โ€“ loss of 900k and 8million previously audited by ZK Labs, Certik and Peckshield
    - Harvest โ€“ loss of $34m previously audited by Haechi
    - Pickle Finance โ€“ loss of $19.7m previously audited by Haechi
    - Cover Finance โ€“ loss of $4m previously audited by Haechi, Peckshield, Arcadia Group

    https://hacken.io/researches-and-inv...f-2020-report/

    Do you want to know the difference between the above and Nano? all of them are DeFi applications that secure hundreds of millions up to billions of dollars (with the exception of bZx which may have had up to $50m TVL). There is an incentive to hack these because there is a financial gain which goes back to my point. No one is going to bother hacking tiny NANO transactions. Only with scale does a protocol become tested. The attack vectors are unknown/unknown because a known/known attack vector covered by an audit is already patched.

    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe
    Feel free to show us how insecure Nano is. Not like there hasn't been lots of crypto's that have been hacked. I'm sure hackers have just not realized how easy Nano is to hack yet, according to your implications of an insecure network.
    For me to attack Nano, Iโ€™d have to setup a mining rig + pay a large energy bill and script it to flood the network and cripple it. There is no financial incentive.

    While it will never happen, if Nano ever sees adoption, I guarantee you it will be mercilessly attacked including bloat + spam attacks by people that have something to gain from bringing down the network. A transaction fee prevents this for starters (not including other attack methods).

    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe
    #2 Name a cryptocurrency in the top 10 that's hit or been near their previous ATH besides Bitcoin. Ethereum has not even hit the price target of $1400+, yet.
    Lol why did you restrict it to the top 10 given most of which are ghost chains? You need to look at where the action is happening which is DeFi.

    Eth absolutely counts (it recovered to 90% of ATH which meets my โ€˜recoveredโ€™ definition.
    SNX (formely Havven) has blown its ATH out of the water
    AAVE has blown its ATH out of the water
    Link has blown its ATH out of the water
    Rune has blown its ATH out of the water
    REN has blown its ATH out of the water

    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe
    You've spouted misinformation time and time after again, clearly showing you actually don't even know anything about it. You do realize, that Nano didn't hit 100 P-Rep's until September 25, 2019, and that is that statistic you are talking about (104)? There is 111 total, right now, also, which is more than that 100 mark. That "1500+ nodes" includes non-voting nodes which are NOT representatives, and are a different type of node.

    And actually, even Bitcoin has less nodes than that same time period 2018: https://bitnodes.io/
    Iโ€™ll give you the fact p-reps, reps and non-voting nodes are different. Forgetting the fact 100 P-reps is an absolute laughable amount, where can I find total node count over time? Iโ€™ve tried a number of search combinations but canโ€™t find anything. It seems as if this is intentionally hidden.

    Your link for bitcoin nodes is discoverable nodes and it does not go to 2018 (2019 is the earliest). 10,000 discoverable nodes that have a full copy of the blockchain and a verifying + propogating blocks lays an immesurable deuce on 100 p-reps.

    This is also not taking into account Bitcoin is also secured by its current hash rate... 150 TH/s of energy

    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe View Post
    I just ran 21 test transactions (although you'll get banned if you keep doing it), and every single one finished in less than a second. Beautiful things was that I spam clicked it so it took like 2 seconds total:

    https://www.nanospeed.live/
    This means nothing if it isnโ€™t tested to scale and over a significant duration. Why do you think the free market ELECTS to pay a ridiculous fee and suffer a 10 minute wait time to transact on BTC and ETH?, itโ€™s not some conspiracy against Nano, it doesnโ€™t have the provable history of security and the community of the former.
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    Originally Posted by Serenadium View Post
    For me to attack Nano, Iโ€™d have to setup a mining rig + pay a large energy bill and script it to flood the network and cripple it. There is no financial incentive.

    While it will never happen, if Nano ever sees adoption, I guarantee you it will be mercilessly attacked including bloat + spam attacks by people that have something to gain from bringing down the network. A transaction fee prevents this for starters (not including other attack methods).

    1) Read about all of the Stress tests Nano has successfully undergone:
    https://forum.nano.org/t/nano-stress...real-world/436

    *Keep in mind, the environment --> Beta = Test Net, hence why you see those absurd 1000+ numbers. The record is about 240~ish CPS (if you want to equate it to TPS, that is about 120 TPS). That is not the bottleneck, fyi. Just what the test peaked at.


    2) This is about the Dynamic PoW Nano uses to prevent spam:
    https://medium.com/nanocurrency/dyna...n-4618b78c5be9

    You should read up on Nano v21. There's been some very solid updates.
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    Originally Posted by SniXSniPe View Post
    1) Read about all of the Stress tests Nano has successfully undergone:
    https://forum.nano.org/t/nano-stress...real-world/436

    *Keep in mind, the environment --> Beta = Test Net, hence why you see those absurd 1000+ numbers. The record is about 240~ish CPS (if you want to equate it to TPS, that is about 120 TPS). That is not the bottleneck, fyi. Just what the test peaked at.


    2) This is about the Dynamic PoW Nano uses to prevent spam:
    https://medium.com/nanocurrency/dyna...n-4618b78c5be9

    You should read up on Nano v21. There's been some very solid updates.
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    Originally Posted by entropy91 View Post
    Nobody wants your bags my boi. Try biz.
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    Boomer's like you also said Tesla was pure hype and would fail back in the day.

    You don't have to buy it, or do anything at all. Just stop spouting your misinformation. (lol @ saying they were in on Bitgrail's failures/"inside job" implication)
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    Lets be real, people donยดt care about using crypto for payments, especially if itยดs not stable. Investt in big protocol coins if you wanna have a chance IMO. And there is one crypto that is further ahead than the every other smart contract platform.

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    Originally Posted by PimpMasterC View Post
    Lets be real, people donยดt care about using crypto for payments, especially if itยดs not stable. Investt in big protocol coins if you wanna have a chance IMO. And there is one crypto that is further ahead than the every other smart contract platform.

    Bitcoin, nano and efferium all sucks
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    I'm trying to find out if there is any other alt coin that is projected to be like bitcoin in 10 years

    Why is bitcoin so popular vs the others
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    I'm trying to find out if there is any other alt coin that is projected to be like bitcoin in 10 years

    Why is bitcoin so popular vs the others
    Because Bitcoin was the first to market. Strong brand that people are hanging onto. The supply cap of 21 million is also something which is easy to understand and it causes attraction to Bitcoin. No one can really for sure predict what will be bigger than Bitcoin. DYOR
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    I'm trying to find out if there is any other alt coin that is projected to be like bitcoin in 10 years

    Why is bitcoin so popular vs the others
    XLM shill here. XLM is the business.
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    I'm trying to find out if there is any other alt coin that is projected to be like bitcoin in 10 years

    Why is bitcoin so popular vs the others
    Look for crypto with a white paper, great team, great project, great tech.
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    I'm trying to find out if there is any other alt coin that is projected to be like bitcoin in 10 years

    Why is bitcoin so popular vs the others
    There are lots of reasons. BTC isnโ€™t just first to market, itโ€™s an extremely solid and stress tested POW blockchain for store of value. Youโ€™d have to argue why it shouldnโ€™t be the digital SOV coin.

    As an everyday currency though, there are POS competitors.

    BTC and ETH for example are addressing completely different areas, via decentralized blockchain solutions. You should view ETH as a platform.
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    Originally Posted by waytoodeep03 View Post
    I'm trying to find out if there is any other alt coin that is projected to be like bitcoin in 10 years

    Why is bitcoin so popular vs the others
    Bitcoin and ethereum are probably the only guarantee coins to be relevant in 10 years.
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    Uh ooohhh!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN29I1B1

    European Central Bank President Christine Lagarde called on Wednesday for global regulation of Bitcoin, saying the digital currency had been used for money laundering activities in some instances and that any loopholes needed to be closed.
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    Bitcoin and ethereum are probably the only guarantee coins to be relevant in 10 years.
    There are no guarantees!
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    meh, same chit different day, from a commie globalist.
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    Originally Posted by nin-com-poop View Post
    Every 6 months or when BTC is bullish these comments come out. Last year it was the G12 economic forum wanting to clamp down on crypto and regs, and the year before that same old BS.

    Everyone knows the banks at 99% of the problem with money laundering, all for show.
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