BCAA or EAA !?

[RosieRose1]

Starting my research a bit with BCAA vs EAA. With so much conflicting information and the "you-tube experts" I wanted to get some actual product feedback from the community! If you could, please support this by adding your choice of product and why it works. Thanks!

[rhadam]

Neither need to be supplemented given adequate protein intake.

[TheFugitive]

I highly recommend BCAAs intra-workout as they absorb almost instantly, protein from whole foods take hours upon hours to digest. As stated above, BCAAs and EAAs are both found in protein and most feel if you're consuming enough protein your getting enough of both aminos

I personally feel BCAAs are critical and much needed during training, but the only way to determine if they're necessary for you is by testing them out

[lucia316]

DO NOT waste your money on free-form amino acids. There is zero reason to use free-form aminos if you're meeting your macro. If you're not meeting your macro, you need to fix that issue protein.

There is ZERO evidence of value to orally consumed bcaas or eaas in healthy individuals or for the vast majority of people training. Even then, more != beneficial.

Disregard the marketing BS above me. That disregards digestion and how it works.

[Jeff the Repper]

Don't waste your $$$, hit your daily macros and you are good to go. Find a good quality blended protein powder to fill in any voids as needed.

[Dorich]

What everyone else said.

Except maybe TheFugitive.

No offense.

[TheFugitive]

DO NOT waste your money on free-form amino acids. There is zero reason to use free-form aminos if you're meeting your macro. If you're not meeting your macro, you need to fix that issue protein.

There is ZERO evidence of value to orally consumed bcaas or eaas in healthy individuals or for the vast majority of people training. Even then, more != beneficial.

Disregard the marketing BS above me. That disregards digestion and how it works.

There's no BS about digestion, one is instant and the other isn't

[TheFugitive]

Don't waste your $$$, hit your daily macros and you are good to go. Find a good quality blended protein powder to fill in any voids as needed.

Jeff, did AN forget to tell you something?

[KathleenRyan]

If you want to save money but still want to use BCAAs, you can find bulk supplement companies that produce big bags of things like BCAAs, creatine, agmatine, citrulline, etc.

I've been brewing my own intra-workout for over a year now using bulk bags. Saves me a LOT of money getting the "good" or worthwhile supplements separately and mixing them myself, rather than dumping $40 at a time on some small 30 serving pre/intra workout that also has a bunch of chit mixed in with it.

[Raigs]

If you want to save money but still want to use BCAAs, you can find bulk supplement companies that produce big bags of things like BCAAs, creatine, agmatine, citrulline, etc.

I've been brewing my own intra-workout for over a year now using bulk bags. Saves me a LOT of money getting the "good" or worthwhile supplements separately and mixing them myself, rather than dumping $40 at a time on some small 30 serving pre/intra workout that also has a bunch of chit mixed in with it.

This is a good route if you have a large chunk of money to spend upfront. And don’t care about flavoring though I guess you could add it to things.

I usually find bcaa to be more about recovery during the workout or after. If I’m wrong someone correct me.

[lucia316]

There's no BS about digestion, one is instant and the other isn't

In one case it doesn't matter. In another it doesn't matter. Digestion is a process that happens over time, up to 48 hours. You don't need instant magic, nor is there any value in it regardless of how much your overlords at BPI want you to push it. Sell that product to ignorant noobs baby!

If you want to save money but still want to use BCAAs, you can find bulk supplement companies that produce big bags of things like BCAAs, creatine, agmatine, citrulline, etc.

I've been brewing my own intra-workout for over a year now using bulk bags. Saves me a LOT of money getting the "good" or worthwhile supplements separately and mixing them myself, rather than dumping $40 at a time on some small 30 serving pre/intra workout that also has a bunch of chit mixed in with it.

There is zero reason to do this as there is zero value to using free-form aminos at any time. Nor is the use of any of those other ingredients "intra" of any value. Pre for two of them, sure, but intra...naw.

I usually find bcaa to be more about recovery during the workout or after. If I’m wrong someone correct me.

You're wrong.

[TheFugitive]

In one case it doesn't matter. In another it doesn't matter. Digestion is a process that happens over time, up to 48 hours. You don't need instant magic, nor is there any value in it regardless of how much your overlords at BPI want you to push it. Sell that product to ignorant noobs baby!



There is zero reason to do this as there is zero value to using free-form aminos at any time. Nor is the use of any of those other ingredients "intra" of any value. Pre for two of them, sure, but intra...naw.



You're wrong.

Try lifting harder, and maybe you'll see the difference

[TheFugitive]

BCAAs arrest muscle wasting in people who are confined to bed. Athletes use branched-chain amino acids to improve exercise performance and reduce protein and muscle breakdown during intense exercise. These amino acids are absorbed and rapidly broken down during training, which makes their presence mandatory during workout sessions for optimal absorption and replacement.

.When you exercise intensely, your serotonin levels go up, which induces a feeling of fatigue. BCAAs interfere with the production of serotonin, thereby delaying the feeling of fatigue.
.Each training session injures your muscle fibers. BCAAs supplementation before and after exercise helps reduce muscle breakdown, reduces muscle soreness and repairs damaged muscles.
.Weight trainers have found an increase in the rate of new muscle synthesis with BCAA supplementation, as it triggers mTORC1, a signaling pathway, essential for muscle building.
.BCAAs have a significant role in increasing the rate of fat burn and also helps support fat loss. Surveys go on to show that people with a higher BCAA intake in their diets will have less of body fat and more muscle.
.No denying the fact, that BCAAs are a critical supplement for bodybuilders who are cutting before an event or show. Before a bodybuilding show, the bodybuilder wants to shed the body fat percentage but at the same time retain his muscle mass. BCAAs with its anti-catabolic effect becomes a must-have supplement for all such people.

A great addition to the supplementation schedule during periods of intermittent fasting or when you are on a calorie-deficit diet, BCAAs help in delaying the feeling of tiredness in the athlete or bodybuilder.
However, like most supplements you need to use it the right away to get the maximum advantage of a BCAA supplement.

[Raigs]

In one case it doesn't matter. In another it doesn't matter. Digestion is a process that happens over time, up to 48 hours. You don't need instant magic, nor is there any value in it regardless of how much your overlords at BPI want you to push it. Sell that product to ignorant noobs baby!



There is zero reason to do this as there is zero value to using free-form aminos at any time. Nor is the use of any of those other ingredients "intra" of any value. Pre for two of them, sure, but intra...naw.



You're wrong.

Let’s back up your statements. Maybe I’ll listen

[Ghawk21]

Let’s back up your statements. Maybe I’ll listen

https://mauiathletics.com/bcaa/

[lucia316]

Let’s back up your statements. Maybe I’ll listen

Ohhh....

https://mauiathletics.com/bcaa/

Take a seat. Also, when you make the initial claim that something does "X," it's your job to prove you are correct. I don't have to prove a negative.

This is me producing my typical BS and right before I bring out the sock puppet accounts to back myself up

Fixed.

As to your, as always, brilliant copy paste job, none of that supports using free-form amino acids. You can claim that "X" does "Y", but correlation != causation, nor does any of that support that using free-form aminos does anything for healthy individuals already meeting their macro. Nor does it change that anyone training for athletic goals is not fasting >24 hours. Digestion is a process, and just adding a little extra pixie dust doesn't = better.

So much of that is made up BS with zero support. But keep on keeping on lil tiger. Keep selling.

[Raigs]

Hey buddy. Keep it civil. No need to be mean. I was asking for evidence if you read up. I asked if I was wrong on my beliefs. Someone said I was but with no evidence

[Raigs]

https://mauiathletics.com/bcaa/

Thanks for the link. I’m not trying to be a dick like some people. Just want to learn

[TheFugitive]

Hey buddy. Keep it civil. No need to be mean. I was asking for evidence if you read up. I asked if I was wrong on my beliefs. Someone said I was but with no evidence

The only way to determine if something works is to try it.

Send me your address? I'll send you a free tub of Best BCAA to try for 30 days

[Raigs]

The only way to determine if something works is to try it.

Send me your address? I'll send you a free tub of Best BCAA to try for 30 days

Done. Also excited to see the alpha gpc playing

[TheFugitive]

Done. Also excited to see the alpha gpc playing

I'll get it out this week. Watermelon, Fruit Punch, or Blue Razz?

[lucia316]

Hey buddy. Keep it civil. No need to be mean. I was asking for evidence if you read up. I asked if I was wrong on my beliefs. Someone said I was but with no evidence

Let's keep it civil, but then you said, "Let's back up your statements and then I'll listen."

You already had the information/link to what really is the most current (and he keeps it so) information on the research around amino acids, but you'll take the free stuff because why not?

You said you wanted to be corrected if you were wrong and you were. People don't need to prove you wrong. You need to prove you're right. Proving a negative isn't how discussion works.

You make a claim, and someone says, "Naw son, that ain't right."
You are then required to show that you are correct.
Once you have provided your information, then the other party refutes it, agrees with it or poses other theories.

You had no leg to stand on other than, "I usually find bcaa to be more about recovery during the workout or after." Which has no basis in science. Don't be like the Fug. At least his ignorance we know is fake. He's just trying to hawk product.

Do note that he sent me some glutamine a few years ago to prove that supplemental glutamine was like magic muscle fertilizer. Lo and behold, nothing other than flavored water.

[b_andersson]

There's no BS about digestion, one is instant and the other isn't

It is BS because the ”Anabolic window” isnt those 60 min you train. Numerous studies shows that a regular meals before or a meal after IS sufficient.

Even bodybuilding.com has an article about it:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content...ndow-real.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577439/


BCAA is like buying a Ferrari with a Ford focus engine. Great at first glance but useless in the long run for the price.

[b_andersson]

This is a good route if you have a large chunk of money to spend upfront. And don’t care about flavoring though I guess you could add it to things.

I usually find bcaa to be more about recovery during the workout or after. If I’m wrong someone correct me.

Hey Raigs,
The amino acids Leucin, Isoleucin and Valin make up BCAA. If you want to increase muscle protein synthesis 5g of leucine are better than 5g of BCAA. (Isoleucine and valin are much weaker to activate mTOR.)

When it comes for recovery and ”anabolic window” you can read about it on the links in the post above. but to make a summary; a meal before or after with sufficient protein will be enough for recovery. (If you have a overall good diet)

My problem with BCAA is not the amino acids itself but how its advertised by some companies. Its not a miracle product. You get a better micro profile from whey as a pre/post workout shake than intra bcaa. So instead of $30 (BCAA) for 0,6 lbs you can get 2,2 lbs (Whey) for $10-15 with a better amino profile.

[TheFugitive]

It is BS because the ”Anabolic window” isnt those 60 min you train. Numerous studies shows that a regular meals before or a meal after IS sufficient.

Even bodybuilding.com has an article about it:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content...ndow-real.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577439/


BCAA is like buying a Ferrari with a Ford focus engine. Great at first glance but useless in the long run for the price.

The majority of studies are opinion based, and they're very easy to manipulate in your favor

Here's another from BB.com

https://www.bodybuilding.com/content...g-workout.html

[TheFugitive]

It is BS because the ”Anabolic window” isnt those 60 min you train. Numerous studies shows that a regular meals before or a meal after IS sufficient.

Even bodybuilding.com has an article about it:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content...ndow-real.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3577439/


BCAA is like buying a Ferrari with a Ford focus engine. Great at first glance but useless in the long run for the price.

It really comes down to dedication. I never train without them, but I'm always looking for an edge

[JohnSmeton]

bcaas for sure matter esp intra-training

I take them sometimes with whey protein for extra bcaas which already have eaa's woth protein

ive even drank an inta protein drink and took bcaas intra training

of course they matter

[Anomen]

I notice that when I use BCAA muscle soreness the following day is less plus I feel much less tired toward the end of the workout.

Keep in mind that I usually train high volume.

[faipdeooiad]

I notice that when I use BCAA muscle soreness the following day is less plus I feel much less tired toward the end of the workout.

Keep in mind that I usually train high volume.

Placebo is a helluva drug

[TheFugitive]

Placebo is a helluva drug

Lifting is a requirement to see results with BCAAs, your keyboard doesn't count