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    US seizes four Iranian tankers carrying fuel to Venezuela

    4 Iranian tankers carrying fuel to Venezuela have been seized by the US.
    The Luna, Pandi, Bering and Bella, were seized on the high seas in recent days and are now en route to Houston#Venezuela #Iran https://t.co/HshfhtXMAM
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    The secret war taking place between America, UK, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, and Israel, versus Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Yemen, and Ecuador has many fronts. Somewhat recently:

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    god forbid those Venezuelans get some fuel

    fuk these sanctions srsly
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    god forbid those Venezuelans get some fuel

    fuk these sanctions srsly
    I have mixed opinions about sanctions they are an act of war but they primarily cause suffering among civilian populations.
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    Originally Posted by JoshSP1985 View Post
    I have mixed opinions about sanctions they are an act of war but they primarily cause suffering among civilian populations.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    god forbid those Venezuelans get some fuel

    fuk these sanctions srsly
    It sucks but at the same time if that fuel had reached Venezuela it would have 100% been used by Maduro and his cronies and not an ounce would have been given to the people. Quit acting like Venezuela is this corruption free nation that has been held hostage by the big bad USA. No, Venezuela is a one party police state in which more than 90% of the population is living in a state of hunger and fear and in which only Maduro and his cronies are the ultimate winners.

    We've already seen Maduro sell of his gold reserves in order to keep his failing economy afloat so that he stays in power longer and to make sure Russia, China and Turkey to some extent support his failed regime. We've also seen him fraud elections and seen him order the police to shoot and beat protesters. That fuel would have probably been sold via the black market and Maduro would have assured his cronies get paid this month. The solution is simple, he must step down and Venezuela needs to liberalize their economy and have foreign companies reign supreme for a few years. The people will suffer but at least they can get international aid and once the economy is stabilized the foreign companies can be regulated better. Venezuela is gonna suffer either way but at least one way guarantees long term success while the other option means that Venezuelans will keep fleeing until there is nobody left.
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    Originally Posted by MirinCanadian99 View Post
    It sucks but at the same time if that fuel had reached Venezuela it would have 100% been used by Maduro and his cronies and not an ounce would have been given to the people. Quit acting like Venezuela is this corruption free nation that has been held hostage by the big bad USA. No, Venezuela is a one party police state in which more than 90% of the population is living in a state of hunger and fear and in which only Maduro and his cronies are the ultimate winners.

    We've already seen Maduro sell of his gold reserves in order to keep his failing economy afloat so that he stays in power longer and to make sure Russia, China and Turkey to some extent support his failed regime. We've also seen him fraud elections and seen him order the police to shoot and beat protesters. That fuel would have probably been sold via the black market and Maduro would have assured his cronies get paid this month. The solution is simple, he must step down and Venezuela needs to liberalize their economy and have foreign companies reign supreme for a few years. The people will suffer but at least they can get international aid and once the economy is stabilized the foreign companies can be regulated better. Venezuela is gonna suffer either way but at least one way guarantees long term success while the other option means that Venezuelans will keep fleeing until there is nobody left.

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    Excellent.
    Why do you agree with the US government punishing the people of Venezuela, due to the US government having beef with the Venezuelan and Iranian government?
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    Originally Posted by MirinCanadian99 View Post
    It sucks but at the same time if that fuel had reached Venezuela it would have 100% been used by Maduro and his cronies and not an ounce would have been given to the people. Quit acting like Venezuela is this corruption free nation that has been held hostage by the big bad USA. No, Venezuela is a one party police state in which more than 90% of the population is living in a state of hunger and fear and in which only Maduro and his cronies are the ultimate winners.

    We've already seen Maduro sell of his gold reserves in order to keep his failing economy afloat so that he stays in power longer and to make sure Russia, China and Turkey to some extent support his failed regime. We've also seen him fraud elections and seen him order the police to shoot and beat protesters. That fuel would have probably been sold via the black market and Maduro would have assured his cronies get paid this month.
    Would you say you are neo-conservative in regards to foreign policy?

    The solution is simple, he must step down and Venezuela needs to liberalize their economy and have foreign companies reign supreme for a few years. The people will suffer but at least they can get international aid and once the economy is stabilized the foreign companies can be regulated better. Venezuela is gonna suffer either way but at least one way guarantees long term success while the other option means that Venezuelans will keep fleeing until there is nobody left.
    How many countries has using sanctions to create that outcome been successful, vs the countries that have been under sanctions and that didn't happen?

    Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Libya, etc.

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    Originally Posted by Bosko View Post
    Why?


    Socialism and nationalization of oil industry.
    Nationalized it, used all the profits for "equality" and didn't reinvest back into the business. Result is a decimated industry that can't produce much anymore and needs many billions in capital for new construction and repairs.
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    Why?


    They probably can't refine it lol.


    Another failed socialist state, yet dumb asses in the US that support socialism can't see it...
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    Originally Posted by BetaAsPhuck View Post
    Why do you agree with the US government punishing the people of Venezuela, due to the US government having beef with the Venezuelan and Iranian government?
    Given the current situation in Venezuela do you think the people were going to get this fuel?
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    Someone explain this to me. The USA puts sanctions on a country, here Venezuela, and now Iran has to obey this? Was there some other authority like the UN or something that placed these sanctions? If so, what authority do they hold over Iran? Why does Iran have to be dictated to who they can or can't trade with?

    For the record, **** Venezuela and their shenanigans, and to a lesser extent fuk Iran too, but I'm just wondering why Iran has to obey here.
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    Originally Posted by JUSA View Post
    Someone explain this to me. The USA puts sanctions on a country, here Venezuela, and now Iran has to obey this? Was there some other authority like the UN or something that placed these sanctions? If so, what authority do they hold over Iran? Why does Iran have to be dictated to who they can or can't trade with?
    The US government can't hand orders to Iran itself but they threaten other countries that IF they trade with Iran then the US will not trade with them.
    Since Venezuala and Iran are both sanctioned they give zero fuks what the US government says. These tankers where not Iranian tankers as the title incorrectly states. They were Liberian. In any case, Iran has proven before that they are the only country in the world that actually retaliate against US government bullying so if that oil is not released expect a similar tanker seizure by the Iranians in the Persian gulf within the coming weeks/months.

    example:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...180058275.html
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    They probably can't refine it lol.


    Another failed socialist state, yet dumb asses in the US that support socialism can't see it...
    can't see image but I assume it's of their oil reserves.
    Yes, they have lots of oil reserves.
    But their leader has let their state run refineries go to chit so it isn't capable of producing all that much.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    Given the current situation in Venezuela do you think the people were going to get this fuel?
    Perhaps. (There is a black market already in Venezuela).

    The economic bump might have helped the people too.

    Economic sanctions definitely do not help the people. (Like I've said, we've seen economics sanctions fail time and time to affect 'regime change' again in; Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Libya, etc.

    What various human rights organizations say is that the citizens are the ones who suffer due to economic sanctions.)
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    Originally Posted by BetaAsPhuck View Post
    Perhaps. (There is a black market already in Venezuela).

    The economic bump might have helped the people too.

    Economic sanctions definitely do not help the people. (Like I've said, we've seen economics sanctions fail time and time to affect 'regime change' again in; Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Libya, etc.

    What various human rights organizations say is that the citizens are the ones who suffer due to economic sanctions.)
    Honestly, I would argue economic sanctions actually hurt more than they help as it gives the government something to demonize the US with to maintain favor with their populace.
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    Originally Posted by A4min View Post
    The US government can't hand orders to Iran itself but they threaten other countries that IF they trade with Iran then the US will not trade with them.
    Since Venezuala and Iran are both sanctioned they give zero fuks what the US government says. These tankers where not Iranian tankers as the title incorrectly states. They were Liberian. In any case, Iran has proven before that they are the only country in the world that actually retaliate against US government bullying so if that oil is not released expect a similar tanker seizure by the Iranians in the Persian gulf within the coming weeks/months.

    example:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...180058275.html
    How does Iran seizing a British tanker retaliate against the US?
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    Originally Posted by A4min View Post
    ^^
    Here is an example of somebody with no self thought and easily susceptible to propaganda brainwashing people
    So calling out a 3rd world dictatorship makes me brainwashed? I think its you that has been brainwashed by Pro-Venezuela propaganda.
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