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    The problem lies with iOS users being just fine with Apple monopolizing every aspect of their user experience. If they don't want choice, then what Epic can do? Seems like a complete waste of lawyer dollars to try to sue Apple over them discriminating in their own platform.
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    Even if you hate Epic Games, consider this a good thing as it might end up being beneficial to the little guy who makes phone apps (but has no money for legal fights).
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    Nobody gives a phuck about unreal engine? I think the entire gaming industry would disagree with you on that one buddy.
    Strong reading comprehension.
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    Originally Posted by DeputyDong5 View Post
    Strong reading comprehension.
    Nobody cares about how much money Apple has, Epic isn't exactly short on cash.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    Nobody cares about how much money Apple has, Epic isn't exactly short on cash.
    This, the amount of money you can spend on legal does eventually soft cap out.

    Side note, would LOL if there was ever a salary cap put on legal activities.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    Funny thing about both Apple and Google, they are total jokes in the gaming industry.
    Then Epic can make their own phones and tablets.
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    holy chit if this is true, this is Intel v AMD all over again:

    reason for Epic's suit against Google:

    Epic claims that Google coerced OnePlus into reneging on a deal that would have seen OnePlus phones come with an “Epic Games Store” app pre-installed, which would be able to download and update games like Fortnite.

    if they can prove this they will win the lawsuit against Google
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    Nobody cares about how much money Apple has, Epic isn't exactly short on cash.
    how many people actually play fortnite on a phone or tablet?
    my kids won't do it.
    PC Master race.
    i know people who play on xbox, PS, and even switch.

    i'd have to ask my kids if their friends play on phone.
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    Originally Posted by applesux View Post
    holy chit if this is true, this is Intel v AMD all over again:

    reason for Epic's suit against Google:




    if they can prove this they will win the lawsuit against Google
    depends, cause epic games tries to go around google's fee from the google play store so they instruct users how to download fortnite apk from a website instead and how to enable "install from unknown sources" etc.. etc.. etc..

    epic games has been trying to avoid the fees doing things against the terms, if oneplus were to do something in violation of the terms like helping epic get epic games store installed automatically, you know the people who make android can.. you know.. sue you
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    Originally Posted by rocketfish View Post
    depends, cause epic games tries to go around google's fee from the google play store so they instruct users how to download fortnite apk from a website instead and how to enable "install from unknown sources" etc.. etc.. etc..

    epic games has been trying to avoid the fees doing things against the terms, if oneplus were to do something in violation of the terms like helping epic get epic games store installed automatically, you know the people who make android can.. you know.. sue you

    are you familiar with AMD v. Intel? do a google search

    Google disallowing OnePlus & LG from customizing (adding another app store like google play to) their devices meanwhile forcing their play store unto them, is very similar to Intel paying OEMs to not use AMD, or Microsoft Internet Explorer debacle

    Epic is being represented by the two biggest law firms in the US (suing and winning against the FTC & the supreme court) against Google and Apple,
    they have been planning this ever since google phucked them over with OnePlus and LG

    these large law firms do their homework very thoroughly, if EPIC didn't have a case this never would've happened
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    Originally Posted by applesux View Post
    are you familiar with AMD v. Intel? do a google search

    Google disallowing OnePlus & LG from customizing (adding another app store like google play to) their devices meanwhile forcing their play store unto them, is very similar to Intel paying OEMs to not use AMD, or Microsoft Internet Explorer debacle

    Epic is being represented by the two biggest law firms in the US (suing and winning against the FTC & the supreme court) against Google and Apple,
    they have been planning this ever since google phucked them over with OnePlus and LG

    these large law firms do their homework very thoroughly, if EPIC didn't have a case this never would've happened
    Yup and Epic has a history of winning lawsuits like this. They are probably one of the biggest and most successful developers on the planet right now and they have an incredible amount of financial resources with tons of income pouring in all the time.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Funny thing is, people are just going to get pissed at Google and Apple about it - not Epic lmao.
    especially the people who buy "v bucks" who are happy with Epic over the discount.
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    lmao like they are the bastion of morality and ethics, they would do the same thing if they were in the position of apple or google.
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    cant believe epic games went from this aphaness
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    Can we take a moment to appreciate the sheer irony of a company that is 40% owned by Tencent, i.e. the Chinese government, is making an 1984 reference?

    That is some wrist-slitingly hyperbolic cringe over f*cking Fortnite, of all things. "#freefortnite," as though any of these whinging teens are being oppressed because they can't play a sh*ttier version of a free to play game on their bloody phones... Cripes, Epic. Can you just stop going out of your way to remind us all that you make Fortnite over all of the actually good things you do?



    Originally Posted by rocketfish View Post
    but there are a lot of mobile/ipad fortnite players that suddenly can't play now.

    android isn't an issue because you can install "unknown" apps from any source, but on apple devices you can only get apps installed through their app store since their operating system is locked down. (don't bring up jailbreak, the tinyest population jailbreaks and its not relevant)

    I'm not backing anyone in this situation, apple can suck a fat one and so can epic games. I just don't see how epic games has a "case" in this situation. They are the ones that want to be on apple's store, they must agree to the rules to be on it, and they want to be special and get a different percent than everyone else.
    Yeah, I'm not rooting for any of the three separate parties involved, but this really comes off at bestas Epic throwing a tantrum over not receiving special treatment on other companies' platforms, or them intentionally pushing the envelope to open up cause for a lawsuit at worst. The game was and still is free, which is all the more reason why Epic shouldn't get special exclusionary status while operating on other companies platforms for the parts where Epic actually makes its money.

    Going back to when Epic was stirring up drama over Google not giving them a special cut, them choosing to forgo the Google Play Store (and in turn, much more exposure) in favor of the side-loading route, and then backing down on their "percentage principles" so that they could be allowed on Google's platform, said principles can be boiled down to how much money can they get for the most exposure, and they crossed the line by circumventing the payment system.

    I simply can't buy all of this taken together, almost as though Apple and Google's actions are surprising, especially when Epic just so happens to have a melodramatic 1984 spoof at the ready like a cherry on top. They're not some low rent amateurs who are completely oblivious to the inner workings of these platforms or the legal landscape pertaining to what they can and cannot possibly exploit, and they have the capital to allow them to push through on the legal front.

    All said and done, I think that Epic should be allowed on both platforms for antitrust/competitive reasons, but on the condition should also suck it up that they are not exempt from the percentage rules everyone else has to follow. Apple's own statement cites creating a level playing field amongst developers, while Epic feels entitled to special privileges above everyone else, and Epic has a tendency of trying to speak out of both sides of its mouth in the hopes of coming off as the good guy. The reality is that they want their cake and to eat it, too, just like almost every other company out there.


    In the end, though, whatever. As someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight and doesn't like any of the parties involved...


    Originally Posted by VTheKing View Post
    The problem lies with iOS users being just fine with Apple monopolizing every aspect of their user experience. If they don't want choice, then what Epic can do? Seems like a complete waste of lawyer dollars to try to sue Apple over them discriminating in their own platform.
    Agreed, and although I recognize Apple's smartphones for the positive attributes, that lack of user choice is what leaves me with the only other option on the market, Android. I'm not exactly enthralled with that side of the smartphone market either, but eh, at least I can buy them cheap secondhand and install a third party adblocker.

    While I don't like Apple's over-controlling nature and would like to see them open up on user choice, I think it would be pressing optimistic and bordering naive for anyone to believe Epic has any kind of altruistic motive to invoke change in the way Apple handles matters of user choice, regardless of what front they put on.

    Originally Posted by dunnie View Post


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    phuck society sucks
    This is another reason why the upcoming generation is f*cking hopeless.

    Back in the day we were playing Gears of War at the same age people are now playing Fortnite. We (and Epic) went from running around chainsawing each other , calling each other phaggots, saying "X just got raped by Y!", to this safe space, rainbow dash crap.

    Plus, the popularity of Fortnite has been a massive detriment to video games now and forever now that they've bred an entire generation into thinking that it is somehow normal or acceptable to charge money, let alone upwards of fifteen dollars for a goddamn skin. An entire generation of mental midgets who can't process that you used to just buy the game for the same cost as four of those things, and it already has all the bloody skins. And not just that, but you actually had to earn them!
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    Originally Posted by elterrible987 View Post
    lmao like they are the bastion of morality and ethics, they would do the same thing if they were in the position of apple or google.

    they have their own store and billions (17,8) and have proven do not do the same thing, brb 12% instead 30%, give away free games and development tool, also i see people blame epic for exclusivity even tho they never forced anybody into the deals, blame publishers and developers for taking it
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    No company can win against Apple and Google because both of those are deep state FED-backed entities where the Five Eyes networks have vested interests.

    This shouldn't be celebrated regardless of what you think of Epic.
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    Definitely worth considering that Epic is 40% owned by China's Tencent, who themselves are kinda notorious for ripping off competitor's products and also has full or partial ownership in a number of other mobile games like Clash of Clans

    Will be interesting to see this one play out
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    Originally Posted by EmmaW4tson View Post
    No company can win against Apple and Google because both of those are deep state FED-backed entities where the Five Eyes networks have vested interests.

    This shouldn't be celebrated regardless of what you think of Epic.
    Epic is 40% owned by the Chinese government.
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    Inb4 Trump orders Epic to sever its ties with Tencent if it wants any hope of proceeding with a move that would divert revenue from Apple / Google and into a company that is 40% owned by China
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    Originally Posted by jdboyd78 View Post
    Epic is 40% owned by the Chinese government.
    We need to face facts, all of these companies have heavy ties with the Chinese government. Apple is heavily invested in China, all their manufacturing is tied in there, Google is really tied up with the Chinese government, they really want to operate there as the dominant online service, and Epic is partially owned by Tencent. I feel like that has a lot to do with why big tech has become so big on censorship and anti-western SJW bullchit, they want that big China money and are doing anything they can to please them.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    I feel like that has a lot to do with why big tech has become so big on censorship and anti-western SJW bullchit, they want that big China money and are doing anything they can to please them.
    Brah I'm pretty sure China gives zero fuks about any SJW bullchit, they probably think all of that stuff will lead to the deterioration of Western / Euro countries. If they do support it, it would surely be as some sort of clandestine sabotage in their eyes


    Take a gander at the Human Rights in China wiki page to see how much they care
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    We need to face facts, all of these companies have heavy ties with the Chinese government. Apple is heavily invested in China, all their manufacturing is tied in there, Google is really tied up with the Chinese government, they really want to operate there as the dominant online service, and Epic is partially owned by Tencent. I feel like that has a lot to do with why big tech has become so big on censorship and anti-western SJW bullchit, they want that big China money and are doing anything they can to please them.
    Apple manufacturing isn't run by Apple they let an alternate company "foxxcon" do it because if Apple was running the slave labor camps all the hippies buying Iphones would be mad about it. Even foxxcon is moving its manufacturing out of China as it has seen the writing on the wall. I think they've gotten 25% of their Iphone manufacturing out of China already and looking to outsource even more to India and other parts of Asia.
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    Originally Posted by Destor View Post
    Brah I'm pretty sure China gives zero fuks about any SJW bullchit, they probably think all of that stuff will lead to the deterioration of Western / Euro countries.
    That is exactly why they're pushing it.
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    Originally Posted by JayJ350 View Post
    That is exactly why they're pushing it.
    Aaaaahhh now I see what you were saying
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    Originally Posted by applesux View Post
    they have their own store and billions (17,8) and have proven do not do the same thing, brb 12% instead 30%, give away free games and development tool, also i see people blame epic for exclusivity even tho they never forced anybody into the deals, blame publishers and developers for taking it

    Their store does not have the popularity or convenience of Apple or google's store. It has a smaller user base and you have to go out of your way to install it vs it being built in. They CANNOT from a business perspective, reasonably charge the same rate of apple or google. If the cost is the exact same on their store, why even bother side loading it and going through all that chit if you can buy it at the same price more conveniently? They HAVE to charge less. lol at buying into their marketing spin of them being some benevolent force in the tech world. This is about what is the best business practice for them.
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    Originally Posted by dunnie View Post


    cant believe epic games went from this aphaness
    to this
    phaggy chit


    phuck society sucks
    lol this. Hard to pick a side when they are both despicable.
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    Epic is being extremely disingenuous, and ridiculously arrogant, with their messaging. Corralling gamers to come and speak out against "Big Corp" because 'they are bullies'. Completely wanting us to ignore the fact that Epic rakes in billions. They want a bigger piece of the pie but because of Apple, they can't have it. Their "we're the underdog" argument is absurd

    As if they don't already make enough from exploitive practices (i.e. micro transactions)
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