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    I find it ironic that the "pro science" side is the only one that is so definite on things that have not been proven whether it be Global Warming, or Hydroxycholoroquine. Calling a drug that has been considered safe for decades dangerous and banning its use is nuts.

    It is not letting me post the second paragraph from this:
    https://www.aps.org/publications/aps...berresigns.cfm

    Does a physicist having relations with nuclear power disqualify him? I keep forgetting all these rules on who we can and cannot listen to.
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    Originally Posted by FingerFood View Post
    I find it ironic that the "pro science" side is the only one that is so definite on things that have not been proven whether it be Global Warming, or Hydroxycholoroquine. Calling a drug that has been considered safe for decades dangerous and banning its use is nuts.

    It is not letting me post the second paragraph from this:
    https://www.aps.org/publications/aps...berresigns.cfm

    Does a physicist having relations with nuclear power disqualify him? I keep forgetting all these rules on who we can and cannot listen to.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/climate...-consensus.amp

    NASA:

    FACTS
    Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

    Temperature data from four international science institutions. All show rapid warming in the past few decades and that the last decade has been the warmest on record.
    Temperature data showing rapid warming in the past few decades, the latest data going up to 2019. According to NASA data, 2016 was the warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. The 10 warmest years in the 140-year record all have occurred since 2005, with the six warmest years being the six most recent years. Credit: NASA/NOAA. › Download still image

    Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES
    Statement on Climate Change from 18 Scientific Associations
    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2

    AAAS emblem
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    "Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)3

    ACS emblem
    American Chemical Society
    "The Earth’s climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)4

    AGU emblem
    American Geophysical Union
    "Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)5

    AMA emblem
    American Medical Association
    "Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)6

    AMS emblem
    American Meteorological Society
    "Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)7

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    American Physical Society
    "Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)8

    The Geological Society of America
    "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)9

    SCIENCE ACADEMIES
    International Academies: Joint Statement
    "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10

    U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    "Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."11

    U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
    U.S. Global Change Research Program
    "Earth’s climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12

    INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”13

    “Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”14
    OTHER RESOURCES
    List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
    The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
    http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-...nizations.html

    U.S. Agencies
    The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change.
    https://www.c2es.org/site/assets/upl...-are-doing.pdf


    *Technically, a “consensus” is a general agreement of opinion, but the scientific method steers us away from this to an objective framework. In science, facts or observations are explained by a hypothesis (a statement of a possible explanation for some natural phenomenon), which can then be tested and retested until it is refuted (or disproved).

    As scientists gather more observations, they will build off one explanation and add details to complete the picture. Eventually, a group of hypotheses might be integrated and generalized into a scientific theory, a scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/climate...-consensus.amp

    NASA:

    FACTS
    Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate is Warming

    Temperature data from four international science institutions. All show rapid warming in the past few decades and that the last decade has been the warmest on record.
    Temperature data showing rapid warming in the past few decades, the latest data going up to 2019. According to NASA data, 2016 was the warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. The 10 warmest years in the 140-year record all have occurred since 2005, with the six warmest years being the six most recent years. Credit: NASA/NOAA. › Download still image

    Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources.

    AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES
    Statement on Climate Change from 18 Scientific Associations
    "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2

    AAAS emblem
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    "Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)3

    ACS emblem
    American Chemical Society
    "The Earth’s climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)4

    AGU emblem
    American Geophysical Union
    "Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)5

    AMA emblem
    American Medical Association
    "Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)6

    AMS emblem
    American Meteorological Society
    "Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)7

    APS emblem
    American Physical Society
    "Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)8

    The Geological Society of America
    "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)9

    SCIENCE ACADEMIES
    International Academies: Joint Statement
    "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10

    U.S. National Academy of Sciences
    "Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."11

    U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
    U.S. Global Change Research Program
    "Earth’s climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12

    INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”13

    “Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”14
    OTHER RESOURCES
    List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
    The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
    http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-...nizations.html

    U.S. Agencies
    The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change.
    https://www.c2es.org/site/assets/upl...-are-doing.pdf


    *Technically, a “consensus” is a general agreement of opinion, but the scientific method steers us away from this to an objective framework. In science, facts or observations are explained by a hypothesis (a statement of a possible explanation for some natural phenomenon), which can then be tested and retested until it is refuted (or disproved).

    As scientists gather more observations, they will build off one explanation and add details to complete the picture. Eventually, a group of hypotheses might be integrated and generalized into a scientific theory, a scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.
    Welcome to the conversation.

    So does not agreeing with the consensus make someone "anti science"? This is not a climate change debate, but a definition of what makes someone "anti science" discussion. Supposedly everyone that disagrees with it is paid for by Exon, so I posted a reputable physicist. Is this man anti science?


    edit: I should clarify neither he or I said there was no climate change. Just that the whole thing is corrupt. The truth is not found in corruption.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    What I mean by antiscience is rejecting the work of thousands of atmospheric physicists and empirical data we have on climate change or rejecting the results of randomized controlled trials on hydroxychloroquine. There's really no going around the fact that Trump is antiscientific and antiintellectual. His movement is a populist movement that resonates with the uneducated of the country.

    To put it bluntly, Donald Trump is an idiot. But you know, that doesn't mean he is wrong about everything. I can appreciate this new peace deal, and he has not started a war. He has some redeeming qualities, but I do view him overall very negatively. I'd even argue he is a threat to national security. I just happen to hate Kamala Harris as well.


    Here is the raw truth Wincel

    You have 3 choices

    1. Don't vote- or vote for a write in/3rd party (same thing this election, and don't BS your way around thinking otherwise) (as well they way it stand now, will likely leave you taking option 2)

    2. Vote for Biden. But you won't really be voting for Biden, you will be voting for an institution. Basically an oligarchy of the elites. He is just the puppet figurehead of an organization (if he lives the entire time). It will be George W Bush 2.0 with an extra flavor of SJW pandering, and supererogatory amounts of women's encroaching "fairness"(unfair) rights(at the expense of men).

    This group will be fulfilling the needs of every "industrialist complex" there is. If you claim to not want pointless wars, and unneeded intervention- this isn't the way for sure. That amounts to many "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" policies. Although in reality it wont be good intentions, it will be a facade of good with ill or selfish intent "intentions".

    If you have any respect for science, you will completely see this. This man is going to be 78 years of age on inauguration day. He will be 80 on the day congress takes session after the midterm elections. You know what this means. He is a puppet- that's it. His brain isn't functional, and will only get worse. Now Trump is of age as well, but he will only be 74 on inauguration day, and yes he's a bit nutty(I'll get to that next), but lets be real- all his mental faculties are still clearly intact- My guess is money for years helps that a lot...


    3. Vote for Trump. Trump is an asshat at times.(I hate that word, but a good description). He says things just to say things, and often speaks in hyperbole. He shoots from the hip- and often the direct content of what he says by definition is inaccurate- "what he means" understood by the laymen is- he he does this unscripted often "keeping it real"

    He's not dumb(you'll realize this if you ever get the opportunity to meet him in private), he just doesn't give a fuk about speaking in technical accuracy at all. Definitely not the kind of guy I would want working in my organization, or to work for- But that is not the role he's filling right now.

    He is an "everything is about me" person who wants to be thought of highly, as the best in everything, and most especially he wants to be appreciated. This isn't to be confused with the "me first" type. He's fulfilled his personal wealth gain thirst- now its about the world recognized he is the best person at doing basically everything there is. Pure ego driven. Wants to be well thought of more than anything else.

    And he wants to be well thought of by the common man. By blue collar brah, by the regular joe. He's been ostracized by the real wealthy people his entire life- thought of as a joke- never taken serious- looked at is "not really part of the crew" - He tried in every-way socializing with them, but never could fit in. He built resentment towards them. He made is own little world of clubs and hangouts with some fairly wealthy people to seem important, but it wasn't really with "the crew". He hates them, and doesn't give a fuk about satisfying them or any of the "industrial complexes" for anything (unless it helps the average Joe). He isn't trying to enrich himself by position- he's trying to make everyone respect or admire him, and when I mean everyone I mean the common folk. He wants to WIN, he wants to be the winner against the "elites" he wants to "show them". This has tremendous value for you and me.

    He has a respect for the traditions of America, and the people that built it- the freedoms it once had(to a certain extent).

    But at the end of the day- its about him- and by that i don't mean "me first", I mean"everything about me"


    The biggest difference here though- He will actually be the president - 0 question. No one, or no group, will take the reins and really run the show. Almost no one will influence him(his kids and Jared a little)

    This ego is a good thing for the Americans. This "keeping it real" shooting from the him hyperbole talk is a good thing. This trolling and taking jabs at the media and establishment is a good thing. This saying what the F he wants with NSFWG is a good thing. It is what need in that role.

    He will not be controlled



    That's we need. He want's to WIN, and WIN for us. He just want's us to appreciate him for it and him be recognized for it(prob childhood issues, who cares). It's perfect for that role- Americans first with no oligarchy control.




    What's really important to understand is this "best at everything". He wants every major scientific achievement to happen under him. He wants to be credited for going to F'ing Mars. He want's the economy to boom. He wants people to be safe. He wants to be known as the world wide best peace deal person. Walk across the line and try to talk to KIM, who give a fuk type guy.

    This is why you see things like what actually happens (not what he proposes or spew as rhetoric) i.e The greatest increase in research/science budgets in decades, the greatest increase in the NIH in decades, etc.


    He is a nationalist, and want's all the greatness for US- first. Wouldn't mind the rest of the world doing well, but its still US first- that is something you'll have to contend with. If we aren't doing well the globe won't either. And if we allow out production of materials, extraction of resources, or creation of energy to move overseas more- It will be done much dirtier, with much worse emissions, etc- but it will always be done- might as well be us a little less "dirty". I'll expand into that more someday later also.


    Climate change- I'm going to have to get deeper with you on that sometime later- but yea he is better for that also- much better.
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    Wincel is such a mental midget that him pretending to be some know it all and "science guy" is almost sad.

    If wincel is such a science driven individual and a firm believer of man driven climate change then he would not be praising the CCP at any given opportunity. You know....since China is by far the worse offender.



    How about plastic pollution?



    Meanwhile...

    ‘The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt,’ The International Energy Agency (IEA) reported on Tuesday. ‘US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period.’”

    "Coal generation in the U.S. fell by 18 percent last year, the largest annual decline on record". - https://insideclimatenews.org/news/0...transportation
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    China spends more on climate change than any other country and has taken substantial steps to reduce emissions. Look at their population. And then look at the emissions.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    China spends more on climate change than any other country and has taken substantial steps to reduce emissions. Look at their population. And then look at the emissions.
    Phuck I should have known you were a pro glaciation advocate.


    We will work on that later.


    Lol at thinking glaciation is the better long-term solution for our species.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    China spends more on climate change than any other country and has taken substantial steps to reduce emissions. Look at their population. And then look at the emissions.
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    "i am indian and let me tell you, being indian is actually a great thing. we have beautiful people and we have ugly people. just like any race. I for 1 am a great person, have great friends, and i take care of every one that is in my life and i am glad to do it, and for that i have people that love me around me. also, indian parents are one of the best parents you can have. sometimes they can be really strict, but they will take care of you no matter what, and they will buy you what ever it is that you need. as long as your not a selfish ****head. Also, we all have great jobs, lots of money and a family that we all love and take care off. suck my dick op suck my dick."

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    Y’all don’t perm wincel- it’s too confusing to keep up with al the alts it’s much easier to just have it all on 1 account.
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    Welcome to the conversation.

    So does not agreeing with the consensus make someone "anti science"? This is not a climate change debate, but a definition of what makes someone "anti science" discussion. Supposedly everyone that disagrees with it is paid for by Exon, so I posted a reputable physicist. Is this man anti science?


    edit: I should clarify neither he or I said there was no climate change. Just that the whole thing is corrupt. The truth is not found in corruption.
    Look into how the cook study was done and you will roll your eyes at anyone that says consensus.
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