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    Bulk/cut/maintenance...Need advice on where I should go from here

    I need some help figuring out my goals because I still am not sure where to go. I’ve been bulking for about roughly 7 months. I would like to lean out a bit to see where I’m at, then go into maintenance. I don’t want to be purely aesthetic, but I also don’t only want to be a powerlifter type. I want a happy medium.

    If I cut and then stay at maintenance, I can’t really achieve that can I? I still have room for improvement strength wise. So my fear is just being weaker than I should be at maintenance.

    Also say I gain more muscle if I’m at maintenance and decide to cut again, then back to maintenance, I’ll essentially lose size if I don’t bulk back up again after cutting multiple times right? I’ve only been lifting for little over a year so I’m worried maybe I don’t have the muscle yet to go for this? I do have pics in my gallery.
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    What's your lifting program?

    What are your lifts?

    What's your height and current weight?
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    What's your lifting program?

    What are your lifts?

    What's your height and current weight?
    I’m 5’6, 162lbs, hard to tell what my current lifts are due to covid. My one rep for deadlift was around 240lbs. Squat around 215 and bench is low because I’ve been using dumbbells but I’d say realistically it would be around squat range. I maxed out at 160 for 5 reps on the bar last week. I need to adjust to the bar but I can deff do more.

    I should be stronger but I’ve had injuries here and there.

    My program has changed to a push, pull, legs, upper, lower.
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    I suggest cutting. Get back to ~12% and then bulk up again.

    When you bulk do it very slow, ~1 pound per month.

    And I recommend you get on a proper program.
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    Didn’t read the whole thing but one thing is for sure. If you are lifting heavy, bulk or cut. Never maintenance.

    If you’re not lifting due to injury or just taking time off, then eat at maintenance

    Trying to gain muscle at maintenance is a waste of time. Saying that based on several articles and well I didn’t listen - so personal experience also

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    Well I take that back then. For me it didn’t work.

    Maybe it’s my form or recovery dunno. But lifting at maintenance didn’t work for me atall and I spent atleast a few months trying to beat my head against the wall.

    I am skinnyfat with plenty of fat (20% or more) and it worked for 2.5 to three months. Then my lifts stopped going up. I did start very very weak tho
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Didn’t read the whole thing but one thing is for sure. If you are lifting heavy, bulk or cut. Never maintenance.
    That's not correct. If you can make consistent strength progress while eating at maintenance you probably should.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    That's not correct. If you can make consistent strength progress while eating at maintenance you probably should.
    ^^
    I agree with this OP - in our advice we sometimes err on the side of measurable weight gain because some people are serial dieters and have a tough time breaking out of cycle of panicking at the first sign of a little water bloating and reducing them back down again. So they stay skinny long term. If you have excess (significant not trivial) fat then you have more energy to fund muscle growth from stores - but if not then active weight gain is a kind of insurance that you are staying anabolic.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    That's not correct. If you can make consistent strength progress while eating at maintenance you probably should.
    Well I take that back then. For me it didn’t work.

    Maybe it’s my form or recovery dunno. But lifting at maintenance didn’t work for me atall and I spent atleast a few months trying to beat my head against the wall.

    I am skinnyfat with plenty of fat (20% or more) and it worked for 2.5 to three months. Then my lifts stopped going up. I did start very very weak tho
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    I suggest cutting. Get back to ~12% and then bulk up again.

    When you bulk do it very slow, ~1 pound per month.

    And I recommend you get on a proper program.
    I was under the impression 2lbs per month was recommended? I’m down quite a bit of weight and want to gain for a few months before cutting again.

    I’ve seen 2lbs gain per month recommended but will try lesser gain if that’s better?

    Please details?
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Please details?
    I recall you having a lot of problems making progress - and if I was one of the ones who advised you gain weight, it's for the reasons I gave above.

    Everyone is trying to look for a magic fat loss and muscle gain bullet but that usually results in no progress.
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    Well I take that back then. For me it didn’t work.
    Seems like you didn't fully understand what I wrote.

    IF you can make consistent strength progress while eating at maintenance you probably should.

    You couldn't make consistent strength progress at maintenance, so recomping at maintenance is probably not for you.
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    I was under the impression 2lbs per month was recommended? I’m down quite a bit of weight and want to gain for a few months before cutting again.

    I’ve seen 2lbs gain per month recommended but will try lesser gain if that’s better?

    Please details?
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's stronger and shorter than you?

    Anyway, ideal bulking rate for people not new to lifting is probably about 0.2% per week.

    If after his cut he's 150 pounds, 0.8% per month would we be 1.2 pounds.
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    Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch View Post
    I recall you having a lot of problems making progress - and if I was one of the ones who advised you gain weight, it's for the reasons I gave above.

    Everyone is trying to look for a magic fat loss and muscle gain bullet but that usually results in no progress.
    I hope it don’t come across as stealing this thread but yes I was having issues gaining on my lifts while I was at maintenance. Since then I’ve gained about 8lbs and then cut about 12lbs.

    Currently at maintenance and starting slow bulk again later this week. I’m on that perma bulk/cut. Maintenance does not do squat for me (that’s almost corny lol)

    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Seems like you didn't fully understand what I wrote.

    IF you can make consistent strength progress while eating at maintenance you probably should.

    You couldn't make consistent strength progress at maintenance, so recomping at maintenance is probably not for you.
    Yep I did miss that IF.


    Op, you should listen to this. Try gaining on your lifts at maintenance. And if that don’t work, time to try something different. Don’t waste too much time at maintenance if its not working for you

    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he's stronger and shorter than you?

    Anyway, ideal bulking rate for people not new to lifting is probably about 0.2% per week.

    If after his cut he's 150 pounds, 0.8% per month would we be 1.2 pounds.
    You’re right. He is stronger than me.
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post

    I’ve seen 2lbs gain per month recommended but will try lesser gain if that’s better?
    If you can make consistent strength progress in the medium rep ranges while lifting with sufficient volume and gaining 1 pound per month, it will probably give you better results than gaining 2 pounds per month.
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