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    Originally Posted by Ratfish View Post
    they should never be trying to get someone at home. arrest them at the supermarket or some other fukken place. no knock warrants or even knocking is absolute bullchit

    puts everyone involved at risk
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    Originally Posted by RagnarChadbrok View Post
    Yeah no
    So people should be able to pull guns out on police officers because their only choices are get shot and die or shoot and get thrown in jail?
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    damn that's fooked up. gotta be manslaughter charges
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    Originally Posted by ryan0931 View Post
    damn that's fooked up. gotta be manslaughter charges

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    Originally Posted by Krunok View Post
    So people should be able to pull guns out on police officers because their only choices are get shot and die or shoot and get thrown in jail?
    He didn't pull a gun on a cop you brainlet. He legally answered the door with his firearm because there was a knock at night in a sketchy neighborhood, with whoever knocked not visible from the peep hole. He was greeted with immediate bright light to the face, disorienting him, and commands to show his hands. To his credit he complied immediately, disarming himself and turning around/kneeling to show compliance. He was rewarded by being executed.

    I can't understand the psychology behind why you need to cope, why you need the cop to be in the right when it's so cut and dry. Maybe because you don't want to admit there's a potential situation in which you could do the right thing and still be totally powerless and wind up dead. Understandable really

    Btw, how on Earth are you rationalizing their total indifference to his death, lack of attempt to render aid, and post hoc rationalization to each other in which they lied about it being a domestic violence call, despite them earlier admitting they didn't think it was? How do you rationalize his girl being treated as a threat and stopped from comforting him in his dying moments? Why are you coping?
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    Originally Posted by RagnarChadbrok View Post
    He didn't pull a gun on a cop you brainlet. He legally answered the door with his firearm because there was a knock at night in a sketchy neighborhood, with whoever knocked not visible from the peep hole. He was greeted with immediate bright light to the face, disorienting him, and commands to show his hands. To his credit he complied immediately, disarming himself and turning around/kneeling to show compliance. He was rewarded by being executed.

    I can't understand the psychology behind why you need to cope, why you need the cop to be in the right when it's so cut and dry. Maybe because you don't want to admit there's a potential situation in which you could do the right thing and still be totally powerless and wind up dead. Understandable really

    Btw, how on Earth are you rationalizing their total indifference to his death, lack of attempt to render aid, and post hoc rationalization to each other in which they lied about it being a domestic violence call, despite them earlier admitting they didn't think it was? How do you rationalize his girl being treated as a threat and stopped from comforting him in his dying moments? Why are you coping?
    dude is missing some brain cells for sure or he's getting piped by a cop
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    Originally Posted by Krunok View Post
    So people should be able to pull guns out on police officers because their only choices are get shot and die or shoot and get thrown in jail?
    if cops enter your house without warrant, it is legal for you to gun them down.
    It has gone to court, and a guy who killed 2 cops in a no-knock warrant got off because they didn't identify themselves before getting shot.
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    I'll say this. I disagree with the vast majority of BLM, (I do think BLM), however, most of the time the person being painted as an angel was actually in the wrong and the police reacted with in a split second, and it most cases were right in doing so, but not always. I agree with BLM in the sense of holding the police more accountable, implementing more training, etc. No matter what profession you're in there's always room to grow. I have no problem implementing measures to make the police better, and actually think it's a good idea because like everyone else they're not perfect and they have a large responsibility.

    In this case, in hindsight, they were 100% in the wrong. The guy comes out, (and apparently had issues in the past, hence his aggressive walk) with a gun and a light shined in his face, however, when he realizes they're police he kneels, holds his hands up and is shot. If he was black that whole city would be burned to the ground.

    I want accountability and equality. The cops need to be held accountable, and each life should be treated as equal. If a black person dies from a cop, no matter the circumstance, there's a riot. A white person dies and nothing happened. No one should be dying from police (unjustly), but when they do they should be treated as equals, looking at you mainstream media/CNN
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    Originally Posted by RagnarChadbrok View Post
    He didn't pull a gun on a cop you brainlet. He legally answered the door with his firearm because there was a knock at night in a sketchy neighborhood, with whoever knocked not visible from the peep hole. He was greeted with immediate bright light to the face, disorienting him, and commands to show his hands. To his credit he complied immediately, disarming himself and turning around/kneeling to show compliance. He was rewarded by being executed.

    I can't understand the psychology behind why you need to cope, why you need the cop to be in the right when it's so cut and dry. Maybe because you don't want to admit there's a potential situation in which you could do the right thing and still be totally powerless and wind up dead. Understandable really

    Btw, how on Earth are you rationalizing their total indifference to his death, lack of attempt to render aid, and post hoc rationalization to each other in which they lied about it being a domestic violence call, despite them earlier admitting they didn't think it was? How do you rationalize his girl being treated as a threat and stopped from comforting him in his dying moments? Why are you coping?
    I never justified the cop's actions, and I never rationalized anything. I'm just pointing out the reason this happened is because the subject was clearly looking for someone to use his gun on, he just recoiled when he realized it was the police.

    Keep in mind, the officers were responding to a domestic violence call. This is why they were on heightened alert and got in tactical positions. How many times do you think, in domestic violence situations, where the subject answers the door with a firearm in hand, these calls don't end up with shots being fired? Close to never.

    It's a very unfortunate situation, and I feel horrible for the man who was shot.

    Imagine what would have happened if this wasn't the police and indeed was a bad person/intruder knocking on the door. He would have been gunned down the second he stepped out of the doorway like that. Or he would have killed someone himself. If the former, his spouse/whoever the girl is would have been in harms way and probably killed as well. I would NEVER conduct myself like that. It's a total disregard for your own safety.
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    Originally Posted by KarlTowns View Post
    if cops enter your house without warrant, it is legal for you to gun them down.
    It has gone to court, and a guy who killed 2 cops in a no-knock warrant got off because they didn't identify themselves before getting shot.
    Knocking on someone's door to respond to a domestic violence call =/= entering a house without a warrant.

    Also, police officers can enter your house without a warrant, if there are exigent circumstances. Good luck with your shooting a police officer goals of 2021. Better hope you know all the facts before you start firing.
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    Ignoring that the police knew the domestic aspect of the call was BS and that they screamed Gun gun like they were sighting a terrorist amid the crowd in Baghdad as well as the complete lack of attempt to render aid or recognize any wrongdoing and attempt to remedy it, one major problem is the spin machine immediately began, the cops begin lying their asses off about what happened, the exaggerated noise complaint turns into a bloody domestic emergency, rather than owning up and being honest and saying well **** we made a mistake We are Sorry. Has anyone ever even said sorry in one of these ****ing cases? Sorry for ****ing you over, sorry for killing you. Nah, its high and mighty, dont worry i wont kill You - unless you sway toward that gun - only we are allowed those - i wont go on and on but you really could

    Their job may be using force at times which is all the reason more they need to be expert at applying it. In reality its another example of the us and them. I certainly hope an expert, no, a professional in the use of force, even a military member would give more time upon sighting that gun wielding terrorist and giving a beat to see if maybe hes just out to rip off a few shots in the air at his sisters wedding and maybe hell drop the thing. These police acted like carrying a gun was an offense worthy of immediate termination.

    Bad policy and bad training and bad individuals all over. Bad morals and bad reaction make the entire system guilty.



    We can only guess at why he stepped out with a gun. Given the history there i think a safe bet is that he expected a complaining neighbor and wanted them to think, maybe i wont keep banging on this guys door he was pissed and holding a gun.
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    Originally Posted by Krunok View Post
    I never justified the cop's actions, and I never rationalized anything. I'm just pointing out the reason this happened is because the subject was clearly looking for someone to use his gun on, he just recoiled when he realized it was the police.

    The subject was clearly looking for someone to use his gun on? This is a completely out there, borderline in-touch with reality statement. What is your basis for making this absurd assumption? The victim opened the door with a firearm because there was a knock late at night in a bad neighborhood, and whoever knocked was hiding from sight. This is a rational response.

    Keep in mind, the officers were responding to a domestic violence call. This is why they were on heightened alert and got in tactical positions. How many times do you think, in domestic violence situations, where the subject answers the door with a firearm in hand, these calls don't end up with shots being fired? Close to never.

    No they weren't, and they knew it. Prior to the murder they were making jokes about the caller wasting their time and were clearly relaxed, aware it was not a serious situation. Only after the shooting did they engage in post hoc rationalization, trying to defend their indefensible actions as almost all people do when they're caught doing something wrong. Also, what the hell are you basing that last claim off of? Do you have any data here or are you just entirely talking out of your ass?

    It's a very unfortunate situation, and I feel horrible for the man who was shot.

    Imagine what would have happened if this wasn't the police and indeed was a bad person/intruder knocking on the door. He would have been gunned down the second he stepped out of the doorway like that. Or he would have killed someone himself. If the former, his spouse/whoever the girl is would have been in harms way and probably killed as well. I would NEVER conduct myself like that. It's a total disregard for your own safety.

    Also no, unlike the police he exercised professional levels of trigger control. He did not immediately panic and fire, unlike the police. He very quickly assessed his situation even while under stress and did the right thing. He also never broke a single law. The police here are the ones who had zero self control.
    Just lol. Disengage the emotional part of your brain. You may be an otherwise reasonable guy, but you are making Leftist-tier emotional arguments and rationalizations at this point.
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    Originally Posted by Schnitzl View Post
    Strange incident. Why did he come out with a gun instead of asking who's there behind the door?
    Becauase he is in his own home and carrying a gun is not illegal.
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    If you are a Conservative and are defending this, just vote for Biden and change your profile picture to a Pride flag at this point. We don't want you because you are either low IQ or cowardly
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    I still think this whole mess started with the cop BLINDING the guy with his torch, rendering him unable to visually identify the people knocking on his door as officers. If the guy identified the cops from the beginning, he would've immediately surrendered.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    this

    but a lot of those guys who claim to be libertarian are only selectively libertarian when dems are in govt...otherwise they are all for the fascist gestapo
    Kinda like you're selectively pretending to support 2A in this post.
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    Originally Posted by Microshaft View Post
    I still think this whole mess started with the cop BLINDING the guy with his torch, rendering him unable to visually identify the people knocking on his door as officers. If the guy identified the cops from the beginning, he would've immediately surrendered.
    This. Ultimately people will make rationalizations all day anyway, a common one being it's tactically advantageous to minimize risk by hiding out of sight, being ready for combat, and blinding him. And on some level they're right - it is tactically advantageous. But it would be tactically advantageous for officers to use overwhelming force and intimidation against all compliant, law abiding citizens they encounter, because this lowers their risk of someone getting the drop on them. They can't do that though because this country has rule of law and it is supposed to mean something to be a citizen and have the presumption of innocence.

    I get it. It's a tough job where you get in to scary situations. I've been in combat before, I've been shot at before, and I've had a gun pointed at me before. These are not situations in which you have the advantage of calm reflection and hindsight. Still, professionalism is expected and if you cannot psychologically cope with the realities of the job, don't do the job. Not all cops can psychologically cope with the situations their job might put them in. I mean the barrier to entry is low after all, and they desperately need more training.
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    Originally Posted by RagnarChadbrok View Post
    This. Ultimately people will make rationalizations all day anyway, a common one being it's tactically advantageous to minimize risk by hiding out of sight, being ready for combat, and blinding him. And on some level they're right - it is tactically advantageous. But it would be tactically advantageous for officers to use overwhelming force and intimidation against all compliant, law abiding citizens they encounter, because this lowers their risk of someone getting the drop on them. They can't do that though because this country has rule of law and it is supposed to mean something to be a citizen and have the presumption of innocence.

    I get it. It's a tough job where you get in to scary situations. I've been in combat before, I've been shot at before, and I've had a gun pointed at me before. These are not situations in which you have the advantage of calm reflection and hindsight. Still, professionalism is expected and if you cannot psychologically cope with the realities of the job, don't do the job. Not all cops can psychologically cope with the situations their job might put them in. I mean the barrier to entry is low after all, and they desperately need more training.
    Exactly. Cops have a tough job given there are tons of actual criminals with guns in the country, but if you're setting up encounters where you deny people the ability to locate and identify you as officers (same with no knock warrants), stuff like this is just going to be an eventuality.

    I kind of get it from the cop's perspective - they want the upper hand so they minimize the risk of getting shot. But the procedure as it stands is going to get people killed. Maybe all cops in the US need ballistic shields or something.
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    Exactly. Cops have a tough job given there are tons of actual criminals with guns in the country, but if you're setting up encounters where you deny people the ability to locate and identify you as officers (same with no knock warrants), stuff like this is just going to be an eventuality.

    I kind of get it from the cop's perspective - they want the upper hand so they minimize the risk of getting shot. But the procedure as it stands is going to get people killed. Maybe all cops in the US need ballistic shields or something.
    Perhaps limit the situations in which an officer can ever approach someone's house to situations where it's imminently necessary to prevent harm. With a domestic violence call it is necessary, but if someone simply needs to be apprehended it's safer for all parties involved to catch them walking to their car. Not sure if this would have potential downsides I haven't factored in but as an emergent idea, sounds pretty good. Also require officers to be visually identifiable when knocking on a door outside of extreme circumstances, such as a shooting or home invasion in progress. And definitely provide more funding for more and better training, hand in hand with increased legal accountability, because you cannot expect one without the other.
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    Did the guy die?

    I’m surprised his gf is even coherent when talking to the officer. I’d be in shock

    I am conservative and I wish vigilante justice upon these cops for situations like this. They will think twice if they know that a gang will mess with them when they fuk up.
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    Never forget, the officer retired on pension and lived happily ever after after massacring this innocent young white kid whom did nothing but follow orders
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    Never forget, the officer retired on pension and lived happily ever after after massacring this innocent young white kid whom did nothing but follow orders
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