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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    It's funny you mention AI because many AI algorithms require a good understanding of functional analysis, linear algebra, and optimization. There is a lot more math behind that than one might think, and I have read that one of the reasons China is getting ahead on this is a lot of Americans don't know the math. Physicists, chemists, biologists, and mathematicians are and always will be relevant. The issue is whether society will continue to value research and science or not. Who do you think designs the AI algorithms? lol

    Our society has shifted to an emphasis on engineering while neglecting the fundamental sciences. India does the same thing. Japan and China do not. We'll see how we end up. I think it is a dangerous wave of anti-intellectualism that will cripple this country. But maybe ur right. Maybe I was meant to be a barista or math tutor or something to the children of people who know far less than me. Maybe the dumb are meant to lead and direct the smart. It doesn't sound right, but hey, go right ahead. I won't be a part of this experiment though. I'm gonna be over here rotting until your society figures out how to integrate me. If you can't then kill me before I go insane and make trouble for it. Good luck.
    The dumb are the ones funding research because of vested interest in the potential return

    That’s the beauty of capitalism, but most scientific research has little application for capitalistic interest, so yes you’re right that things that seem mundane or anti intellectual get more pipeline interest than things like studying dark matter that are 100s of years away from having any practical application to something like space exploration
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Math, physics, and molecular biology are poor majors? Says a lot about our world doesn't it? You're right though. Should have done EE+CS+Stats. Guess you're right. I have zero value to this society. I'll go play my games and live off my dad's money. You do you bro. Let me know how it works out for you guys. I'll be over here fapping.
    Those majors are only worth the intellect behind them. I'm quite successful in IT and many of the smartest people I've worked with had degrees in nuclear physics, chemical engineering, biostatistics, etc...

    You have to put the skills you learn to use in a profitable way. You don't just get money because you got a physics degree, and being able to solve math problems isn't valuable unless they are problems that need solving.

    You really seem attached to blaming everything except yourself for your problems. That's your problem.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    It's funny you mention AI because many AI algorithms require a good understanding of functional analysis, linear algebra, and optimization. There is a lot more math behind that than one might think, and I have read that one of the reasons China is getting ahead on this is a lot of Americans don't know the math. Physicists, chemists, biologists, and mathematicians are and always will be relevant. The issue is whether society will continue to value research and science or not. Who do you think designs the AI algorithms? lol

    Our society has shifted to an emphasis on engineering while neglecting the fundamental sciences. India does the same thing. Japan and China do not. We'll see how we end up. I think it is a dangerous wave of anti-intellectualism that will cripple this country. But maybe ur right. Maybe I was meant to be a barista or math tutor or something to the children of people who know far less than me. Maybe the dumb are meant to lead and direct the smart. It doesn't sound right, but hey, go right ahead. I won't be a part of this experiment though. I'm gonna be over here rotting until your society figures out how to integrate me. If you can't then kill me before I go insane and make trouble for it. Good luck.
    Intelligence in sciences and maths aren't the sole factor of intelligence. You realize your skills are not needed for survival. Neither is a barista or bag boy, or account rep or an accountant, or a real estate agent. This entire society is based upon what we created. We created a world where you can make 100k off making tik tok videos, while a carpenter makes probably less than that breaking his back doing so.

    Theoretical progression in math and science is purely for control and power. Has nothing to do with quality of life or advancing society. I don't VR porn and instagram enhanced society in any way. It devolved it. Hence the current societal trajectory.

    Lol at thinking China is the shining example. Or Japan. Both have horrible population issues coming in the future, high suicide rates, and awful living conditions. Progress in science and math while we destroy our civilization!!

    You're clearly autistic and hyper focused in math, because you have zero understanding of trends in a society.
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    Originally Posted by quadfecta View Post
    The dumb are the ones funding research because of vested interest in the potential return

    That’s the beauty of capitalism, but most scientific research has little application for capitalistic interest, so yes you’re right that things that seem mundane or anti intellectual get more pipeline interest than things like studying dark matter that are 100s of years away from having any practical application to something like space exploration
    The problem is all the life changing stuff comes from that exotic research. I mean look at fusion energy. Nuclear engineering, nuclear physics, and plasma physics is fuking dead in this country. China still spends a fukload on science and actually outspends us now I think. They are carrying the torch we dropped. They will continue to progress as we regress.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    lol I hear that from a lot of people yet somehow can't get through at Intel. I must just suck I guess.
    is intel the only company in the world? you aint good enough for intel obviously, start lower, get experience and you'll make it eventually, but you prefer miscing and crying so dont expect anything to change
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    Originally Posted by SwimBrah View Post
    Is American society as fukked as this thread makes it seem?
    You can always move out to some more traditional country if you want you know.
    Yes, there is a lot of drug use and mental illness here. Plus people are addicted to their phones and chit. There's no community anymore. Just go to a gym you used to see like 20 people in there and a lot knew each other now days you will see like 500 people come in and out with ear buds in lifting by themselves.

    If people weren't lonely you wouldn't see so many people in public on their phones with ear buds in walking around alone lol
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    Originally Posted by FrankGrimes29 View Post
    Intelligence in sciences and maths aren't the sole factor of intelligence. You realize your skills are not needed for survival. Neither is a barista or bag boy, or account rep or an accountant, or a real estate agent. This entire society is based upon what we created. We created a world where you can make 100k off making tik tok videos, while a carpenter makes probably less than that breaking his back doing so.

    Theoretical progression in math and science is purely for control and power. Has nothing to do with quality of life or advancing society. I don't VR porn and instagram enhanced society in any way. It devolved it. Hence the current societal trajectory.

    Lol at thinking China is the shining example. Or Japan. Both have horrible population issues coming in the future, high suicide rates, and awful living conditions. Progress in science and math while we destroy our civilization!!

    You're clearly autistic and hyper focused in math, because you have zero understanding of trends in a society.
    I can build stuff too. I can do any job dude. It's not like knowing math precludes me from other things. If you're good at STEM, you can learn anything. The only thing I suck dick at is art. For example, I know a decent amount about plumbing and construction. It's all the same shyt. It's all just physics in the end. I'm not even hyperfocused. You've seen me comment on so many other things not related to math even though math was my focus.

    Bottom line is our society is alienating young scientists and mathematicians. Right now, it is always better to be an engineer or statistician. That's a dysfunctional society in the long run.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    I can build stuff too. I can do any job dude. It's not like knowing math precludes me from other things. If you're good at STEM, you can learn anything. The only thing I suck dick at is art. For example, I know a decent amount about plumbing and construction. It's all the same shyt. It's all just physics in the end. I'm not even hyperfocused. You've seen me comment on so many other things not related to math even though math was my focus.
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    Yes, there is a lot of drug use and mental illness here. Plus people are addicted to their phones and chit. There's no community anymore. Just go to a gym you used to see like 20 people in there and a lot knew each other now days you will see like 500 people come in and out with ear buds in lifting by themselves.

    If people weren't lonely you wouldn't see so many people in public on their phones with ear buds in walking around alone lol
    Isn't it fuked how no one talks to anyone at gym? I used to talk to some ppl, but it was always awkward and they rly don't want to talk.
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    "Why am I still here"

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    is intel the only company in the world? you aint good enough for intel obviously, start lower, get experience and you'll make it eventually, but you prefer miscing and crying so dont expect anything to change
    Here's a question. Why am I not good enough for Intel when people who used to ask me for help on hw were?

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    Here's a question. Why am I not good enough for Intel when people who used to ask me for help on hw were?

    HMMMM
    A really obvious answer from an outside POV is that you are a really socially strange person. And i'm trying to put that really nicely
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    Exactly. And my entire existence was completely pointless. No kids. Genetic Sewage.
    This is why Jesus said "take up your cross and follow me", and also "you must be born again".
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    Almost every metalcore/hardcore/melodic death band talks about this chit. I've heard their personal messages many times at concerts.

    Some people just feel alone around everyone and don't have an ounce of confidence because they have been alone so long

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    The problem is all the life changing stuff comes from that exotic research. I mean look at fusion energy. Nuclear engineering, nuclear physics, and plasma physics is fuking dead in this country. China still spends a fukload on science and actually outspends us now I think. They are carrying the torch we dropped. They will continue to progress as we regress.
    China’s manufacturing is also chite and they’re yet to show they can build a proper aircraft carrier

    And isn’t nuclear fusion decades off from actually being used? It’s progress on paper but we all know these communist nations competing to out do the US will say they are leading the way when in fact it’s all just showboating for nationalistic pride. The current race for human progress is space exploration and the west is leading that by a large margin with companies like spaceX. If anything, the east should be banned from using anything related to nuclear power by the UN for obvious reasons
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    A really obvious answer from an outside POV is that you are a really socially strange person. And i'm trying to put that really nicely
    I get that a lot.
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Isn't it fuked how no one talks to anyone at gym? I used to talk to some ppl, but it was always awkward and they rly don't want to talk.
    Some people do but they are the ones who live at the gym. Most other people just go to work out and block everyone else out. The fact everyone is on their phones is what weirds me out.
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    Originally Posted by quadfecta View Post
    China’s manufacturing is also chite and they’re yet to show they can build a proper aircraft carrier

    And isn’t nuclear fusion decades off from actually being used? It’s progress on paper but we all know these communist nations competing to out do the US will say they are leading the way when in fact it’s all just showboating for nationalistic pride. The current race for human progress is space exploration and the west is leading that by a large margin with companies like spaceX. If anything, the east should be banned from using anything related to nuclear power by the UN for obvious reasons
    No dude. Manned space exploration is a total dud. I mean it's cool but should not be our focus. We need fusion energy. I've made many threads about how we are running out of oil. People think we are going to have some serendipitous breakthrough, but they don't realize there are diminishing returns here. Even if we doubled accessible reserves, we'd still be fuked at current rates. And a decline in rates as we get closer to running out means a declined economy without alternative energy sources. Our civilization is in serious danger and people don't want to admit it.

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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    Here's a question. Why am I not good enough for Intel when people who used to ask me for help on hw were?

    HMMMM
    what does intel's qualifications for software engineers have to do with college homework? you obviously have no idea about the industry
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    Originally Posted by SwimBrah View Post
    what does intel's qualifications for software engineers have to do with college homework? you obviously have no idea about the industry
    No but I know the people I helped. They weren't particularly smart and had no special experience. Why were they chosen over me? Because engineering degree. Nevermind that they don't even understand anything. Similarly, why are so many horrible men chosen over me by women? I'll never know. Just be jacked and white I guess. I guess I'm just "weird." That's fine. But don't expect me to help you or your society then. The social contract is null and void. I will use you as a means to obtain food and entertainment while I live out the remainder of my years.

    I'm sure you're much better at your job than I'll ever be with your "industry experience".
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    No but I know the people I helped. They weren't particularly smart and had no special experience. Why were they chosen over me? Because engineering degree. Nevermind that they don't even understand anything. Similarly, why are so many horrible men chosen over me by women? I'll never know. Just be jacked and white I guess. I guess I'm just "weird." That's fine. But don't expect me to help you or your society then. The social contract is null and void. I will use you as a means to obtain food and entertainment while I live out the remainder of my years.

    I'm sure you're much better at your job than I'll ever be with your "industry experience".
    what are you even talking about? to get a programming job you need personal projects + getting good at leetcode, if you excel at those things every company would pick you over someone with just a cs degree
    and once again, stop crying
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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    No dude. Manned space exploration is a total dud. I mean it's cool but should not be our focus. We need fusion energy. I've made many threads about how we are running out of oil. People think we are going to have some serendipitous breakthrough, but they don't realize there are diminishing returns here. Even if we doubled accessible reserves, we'd still be fuked at current rates. And a decline in rates as we get closer to running out means a declined economy without alternative energy sources. Our civilization is in serious danger and people don't want to admit it.

    BTW ITER is supposed to come online 2025.
    Bruh they’ve been saying we will run out of oil since the 70s. Do you also believe there’s a second ice age coming?

    Preserving honey bee colonies from natural threats like murder hornets and pesticides is more of a urgent matter for the interim. We simply can’t sustain population growth if food pollinators are exponentially dying off - exotic research should be taking a back seat to species preservation imo

    Rising sea levels that will turn cities like NYC into refugees in the next 50 years is only going to add to the urgency as arable land becomes increasingly urbanized. I have no doubt moves like Kanye and Musk becoming interested in relocating to the Midwest is a chess move to prep for such events
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    #1 Video game and porn addiction along with internet, shows, tv.

    #2 The average male has sex with 0-3 women in their lifetime. Disney movies and shows like Big Bang Theory have convinced low sexual marketplace value men that they deserve a blonde cheerleader because they’re a good person. To the guys that think this way i’d like to ask you how many repulsive ugly women have you fuked this month because theyre a good person.

    #3 Another miscer put it best - social media, entertainment and society have convinced you g people that if they aren’t having fun somethings wrong with them. The work hard play hard culture of our parents is dead.

    #4 This is my personal opinion but

    We don’t want to become our parents.

    That means a lot of things. My dad worked 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week my entire childhood. My mother was abusive towards him instead of being happy for him (she has a mental illness). My brother and I are around 40 with no real desire for marriage and children and the financial, emotional and time investment that is required by them. I am seeing numerous Oops Baby families where the guy has no ambition to stop smoking weed and earn more than $10 an hour. I’m seeing a lot more “arrangement” marriages, polyamorous relationships, cuckhold families (literally have met guys that know the kids not theirs and are ok with that).

    As far as the family thing i am also seeing a lot more openness as far as hugging and telling kids you love them. Im seeing people not ok with bullying. The you ger generation seems kinder to me.
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    We dont even need AI to become self aware.

    We've opted to plug ourselves into a matrix of our own creation.
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    I can just imagine how wincel interviews...

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    Originally Posted by wincel View Post
    The only people getting left behind are Americans. Dunno if u noticed, but China still values STEM. Their scientists and mathematicians command a great deal of respect. And their society is progressing. We don't really care about science in this country anymore.
    You aren't wrong wincel, but if you have a B.S. in Mathematics, you can get into some type of master of engineering program.
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    Originally Posted by GravityLee View Post
    #1 Video game and porn addiction along with internet, shows, tv.

    #2 The average male has sex with 0-3 women in their lifetime. Disney movies and shows like Big Bang Theory have convinced low sexual marketplace value men that they deserve a blonde cheerleader because they’re a good person. To the guys that think this way i’d like to ask you how many repulsive ugly women have you fuked this month because theyre a good person.

    #3 Another miscer put it best - social media, entertainment and society have convinced you g people that if they aren’t having fun somethings wrong with them. The work hard play hard culture of our parents is dead.

    #4 This is my personal opinion but

    We don’t want to become our parents.

    That means a lot of things. My dad worked 10-12 hours a day 6 days a week my entire childhood. My mother was abusive towards him instead of being happy for him (she has a mental illness). My brother and I are around 40 with no real desire for marriage and children and the financial, emotional and time investment that is required by them. I am seeing numerous Oops Baby families where the guy has no ambition to stop smoking weed and earn more than $10 an hour. I’m seeing a lot more “arrangement” marriages, polyamorous relationships, cuckhold families (literally have met guys that know the kids not theirs and are ok with that).

    As far as the family thing i am also seeing a lot more openness as far as hugging and telling kids you love them. Im seeing people not ok with bullying. The you ger generation seems kinder to me.
    You lost me on 4. Jealous af of my parents life.
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    Originally Posted by GravityLee View Post
    #2 The average male has sex with 0-3 women in their lifetime. Disney movies and shows like Big Bang Theory have convinced low sexual marketplace value men that they deserve a blonde cheerleader because they’re a good person. To the guys that think this way i’d like to ask you how many repulsive ugly women have you fuked this month because theyre a good person.
    This can't possibly true. I've bagged dozens and barely put effort in, and I'm definitely no "Chad" by any means. 2 - 3 average? Gotta be closer to at least 10 now.
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    Originally Posted by quadfecta View Post
    Bruh they’ve been saying we will run out of oil since the 70s. Do you also believe there’s a second ice age coming?

    Preserving honey bee colonies from natural threats like murder hornets and pesticides is more of a urgent matter for the interim. We simply can’t sustain population growth if food pollinators are exponentially dying off - exotic research should be taking a back seat to species preservation imo

    Rising sea levels that will turn cities like NYC into refugees in the next 50 years is only going to add to the urgency as arable land becomes increasingly urbanized. I have no doubt moves like Kanye and Musk becoming interested in relocating to the Midwest is a chess move to prep for such events
    Yea I know they had innovations with fracking and they discovered new oil, but yea I do think we are running out.

    Ur right about insect extinction issues destabilizing the foodweb and climate change as well.
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    You lost me on 4. Jealous af of my parents life.
    this.

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