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    michael thomas for sure, not nearly versatile enough to be in the best receiver conversation. He's been targeted 17 times 20+ yards down the field in the last 2 seasons combined (326 targets total). good defenses can make him ineffective, he was completely ineffective vs. the rams and vikings the last 2 playoffs
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    Originally Posted by drvillain View Post
    lol not today.

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    Him and Dhop are 2 of the best at it. It's everything else about his game that keeps him out of my top 3. Trust me, he benefits greatly from having the most accurate QB in the league, high IQ QB, and a QB that cant throw bombs anymore.
    Thomas is better. In fact, no WR in the history of the NFL has caught footballs better than him. And Larry Fitzgerald is better than Hopkins (at catching), so nah.

    Sure, Thomas definitely benefits but that's not the question. You also can't say that without mentioning Julio, who also has a good QB. Pointless even bringing it up because we don't know how either of them would do without their QBs. EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER. IS. A. SYSTEM. PLAYER. So ****ing tired of saying that.
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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    Thomas is better. In fact, no one in the history of the NFL has caught footballs better than him. And Larry Fitzgerald is better than Hopkins, so nah.

    Sure, Thomas definitely benefits but that's not the question. You also can't say that without mentioning Julio, who also has a good QB. Pointless even bringing it up because we don't know how either of them would do without their QBs. EVERY. SINGLE. PLAYER. IS. A. SYSTEM. PLAYER. So ****ing tired of saying that.
    lol I've said I agree with the bold before, I'm just explaining why he has that record.
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    Originally Posted by BigElephant View Post
    He was just rated #1 on the NFL list despite being barely a top 5 QB in the league in my opinion. I predict he's going to get exposed as a passer going forward. He's had one good year on a stacked team, and QBs like him always have a couple good years and then defenses adjust and they fizzle out.
    The NFL top 100 is largely based off stats when it comes to skill positons. No one in the league was better than Lamar on paper last year. Granted, it's obvious guys like Mahomes, Wilson, ect are better QBS, when you get into that argument it can get subjective. Statistically speaking Lamar was the best QB in the league last year.

    Now, your point about fizzling out is very possible. QBs who rely on their legs don't typically have consistent elite seasons, but what you're saying is an assumption. Right now, Jackson definitely is not over-rated given his body of work so far.
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    Originally Posted by drvillain View Post
    lol I've said I agree with the bold before, I'm just explaining why he has that record.
    The bold was more or less for everyone else. So many stupid people don't realize it.
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    Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    The bold was more or less for everyone else. So many stupid people don't realize it.
    Yes Lunatic, lead us all to the light.

    Stupid ****-up.

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    Originally Posted by MBisonSon View Post
    Rodgers went from being in GOAT conversations to winning a single SB and constantly being problematic for his team.

    He's like TO minus the athleticism, GOAT career, and heterosexual orientation.
    Whats his record against the Bears again?
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    Whats his record against the Bears again?
    You need to be more worried about what his record is vs playoff opponents since his one fluke SB win.
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    Originally Posted by Madvillainy View Post
    michael thomas for sure, not nearly versatile enough to be in the best receiver conversation. He's been targeted 17 times 20+ yards down the field in the last 2 seasons combined (326 targets total). good defenses can make him ineffective, he was completely ineffective vs. the rams and vikings the last 2 playoffs
    I dunno what you mean, Michael Thomas is a top 5 TE in the league
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    Does Zeke Elliott deserve a mention? The production is still there, but he has played behind a top 3 line his whole career. He doesn't look as explosive to me anymore, dont feel like hes a top 5 back
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    Does Zeke Elliott deserve a mention? The production is still there, but he has played behind a top 3 line his whole career. He doesn't look as explosive to me anymore, dont feel like hes a top 5 back
    He is definitely still a top 5 back, however I agree his explosiveness was not the same last season. He looked out of shape and was getting caught from behind, which wasn't happening his first two seasons.
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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    He is definitely still a top 5 back, however I agree his explosiveness was not the same last season. He looked out of shape and was getting caught from behind, which wasn't happening his first two seasons.
    What makes him still a top 5 back? I dont see it. Hes tough to bring down but hes not a proper power back like Henry, hes a good pass catcher but not great, hes not got top end speed

    How many backs could match his production running 300 times behind that line?
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    What makes him still a top 5 back? I dont see it. Hes tough to bring down but hes not a proper power back like Henry, hes a good pass catcher but not great, hes not got top end speed

    How many backs could match his production running 300 times behind that line?
    Have you watched Dallas games? Zeke excels in all aspects expected of a RB. He can block, he has speed, elusive, power and can catch. He does everything extremely well. The only flaw in his game last year was being out of shape, which affected his top end speed. First 3 seasons, once he got to the second level he was not getting caught from behind.

    Only all around backs better are CMC and Barkley.

    In 4 years Zeke has won 2 rushing titles, had 40 TDS and averages 4.6 YPC. He almost surpassed 1K yards in 10 games during his suspension season.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    What makes him still a top 5 back? I dont see it. Hes tough to bring down but hes not a proper power back like Henry, hes a good pass catcher but not great, hes not got top end speed

    How many backs could match his production running 300 times behind that line?
    To be fair he really hasn't been able to showcase his pass catching too often under Garrett
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    Originally Posted by JUGGERNAUT1333 View Post
    Have you watched Dallas games? Zeke excels in all aspects expected of a RB. He can block, he has speed, elusive, power and can catch. He does everything extremely well. The only flaw in his game last year was being out of shape, which affected his top end speed. First 3 seasons, once he got to the second level he was not getting caught from behind.

    Only all around backs better are CMC and Barkley.

    In 4 years Zeke has won 2 rushing titles, had 40 TDS and averages 4.6 YPC. He almost surpassed 1K yards in 10 games during his suspension season.
    The stats are hella impressive of course, but DeMarco Murray also ran for 1,850 behind the same 3 All Pro linemen. Admittedly I did not watch all the games throughout, and dont pay enough attention to blocking, but guys like Kamara stand out more for me
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    The stats are hella impressive of course, but DeMarco Murray also ran for 1,850 behind the same 3 All Pro linemen. Admittedly I did not watch all the games throughout, and dont pay enough attention to blocking, but guys like Kamara stand out more for me
    Murray also had a great season in Tennesse before his wheels burnt out. He was just a good, power runner. Kamara is not a better runner than Zeke nor as powerful. Faster yes, more agile, yes, better pass catcher yes, but better all around? No.

    All around RB Zeke is top 5 with ease, and top 3 in many most people's lists. Zeke also has one attribute that cannot be coached/learned. Durability. Only time he missed was due to his suspension.
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    Originally Posted by LukeS1 View Post
    The stats are hella impressive of course, but DeMarco Murray also ran for 1,850 behind the same 3 All Pro linemen. Admittedly I did not watch all the games throughout, and dont pay enough attention to blocking, but guys like Kamara stand out more for me
    demarco was a good player, going into that big season he had already shown ability + some decent hands. injuries bugged him his first 2-3 years. also had success in tennessee later on. i wouldn't say him being great w/ that OL hurts zeke's case

    i can't call zeke or michael thomas overrated when they've been so productive for a good 4 years now. consistent production combined with volume and opportunity. sure part of it's the system they're in but not fair to hold that against them

    overrated WR would be odell, who talked his way out of new york after signing a contract w/ them. hurt many times, drama left and right, disappeared in his only playoff game, stunk last season. curious to see how he does now that he's supposedly 100% healthy.
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    There are morons out there who still think Tom Cucky is a great QB, when in reality he’s not even top 15 anymore


    Also Tall Jarvis Landry is not a top 5 WR, a possession receiver can never be a top 5 WR, Thomas is Courtland Sutton playing in a great system
    Name the 15 qbs you’d rather have than Brady.

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    Came to post Thomas.

    If you give Brees a big target to throw to down the seam, they produce. BRB no name like Marques Colston, nearly 10,000 career yards. BRB Jimmy Graham ripped off 4 straight 85+ catch seasons, then went to Seattle and never looked the same again. Thomas is just the next guy in that system. He would be an average #2 if he was drafted anywhere else.

    Brady is also fukking washed at this point and is arguably a downgrade from Jameis. Granted, you're not going to win a lot of games when your quarterback is throwing 30 interceptions, but comparing Winston's arm to Brady's at this point is like comparing a V8 Charger to a Yugo. Brady's completion percentage and yards per attempt just collapsed last year.

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    I'll put it like this: Brady is a worse Teddy Bridgewater at this point in his career.

    If TB had signed Bridgewater, people would have yawned and gone "oh well, 'nuther 8-8 season coming up". But because of Brady's past glories in the house that Belichick built, low IQ brainlets think "SUPER BOWL!"
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    Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Name the 15 qbs you’d rather have than Brady.

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    Swept is top 5 in the Sports Misc retardation rankings.
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    Swept is top 5 in the Sports Misc retardation rankings.
    Seems low

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    Seems low

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    You need to be more worried about what his record is vs playoff opponents since his one fluke SB win.
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    Pretty sure this thread is about overrated players, not franchises or anything else TP Timmy is babbling about.

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    Too many of you are picking easy options, mid range QB's

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