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    Road Dogg Talks About His Political Views(Trump and Biden)

    "Road Dogg" Brian James, who works behind the scenes in WWE, responded to a fan's comment about Joe Biden being a better choice for United States President than Donald Trump. Here was the exchange:

    Fan: "Better choice than Trump.... Trump dropped the ball and his hatred is overwhelming."

    Road Dogg: "Understand this thought process but it’s NEVER about one man. It’s policy and values and pocket book. If you don’t work and don’t want to, vote Democrat. I’ll foot the bill.

    Fan: "Yes I do work but come on brother Trump has to go... He has abandoned the epidemic, continues you preach diversity and hasn’t stepped up as a leader... As a highly decorated Veteran, I feel let down."

    Road Dogg: "so you’re saying socialism is the answer? It’s ok if that’s how you feel, I just want to know where we each stand. If we cut the military budget then Putin is the worlds police chief and that terrifies me. He’s naming blacks and Latinos to high offices, what “diversity” is he failing at. He has a strong stance on illegal immigration, that doesn’t mean he’s not diverse, it means we should take care of Americans first, veterans too, like me and you. Also, economy, jobs, tariff/trade mandates. I’m not a fan of the man but I’m a fan of the job the man has done."

    Road Dogg also responded to comments about Trump being racist:

    "I’m just saying that I don’t see evidence of Trumps racism. I do, however, see a lot of evidence that Biden is. Check the records and dont just listen to what people say. The country is moving in the wrong direction. We use to be a patriotic, God fearing/loving country and now ****philia is a “sexual orientation” what went wrong and when did this happen? I’d suggest over the last 8 years with a leftist, Socialist president in office. Trump started fighting to center us again and the fangs came out on the other side of the isle. We need to take America back, for all people of all colors."

    A fan responded to Road Dogg and there was another exchange:

    Fan: "I married into a Mexican family. I don’t care for the way he talks about Mexican people. And that’s just scratching the surface."

    Road Dogg: "He was talking about MS13 but your copy and paste leaves that part out. All 100% true either way. Why shouldn’t we, as a country, KNOW who is coming into our country. Every other country does that. Open borders are dangerous. Strong stance on border security doe NOT equal racism Mike."

    Here was another change:

    Fan: "The only reason Biden is still in it is because he will be easy to manipulate cause he want remember."

    Road Dogg: "I agree. The socialists will control the country and that scares me. We shall see. I try to stay open minded but it’s hard cus some of the stuff going on is mind boggling to me
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    it doesn't get more white trash than calling biden a socialist when he's to the right of trump on so many things.

    road dogg is an idiot.
    i like the one that says "some pulp".
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    Originally Posted by yieldtonothing View Post
    he's to the right of trump on so many things.
    which things?
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    Originally Posted by IPoopStandingUp View Post
    which things?
    Biden will rubber stamp far left extremism. Trump is basically a 90s era populist Democrat in terms of policy.
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    Originally Posted by yieldtonothing View Post
    it doesn't get more white trash than calling biden a socialist when he's to the right of trump on so many things.
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    Entirely fallacious logic from Road Dogg on this although I suspect many on this forum will go along with it.
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    Originally Posted by LiftBigEatBig View Post
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    i like the one that says "some pulp".
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    Originally Posted by SerpentHearted View Post
    Entirely fallacious logic from Road Dogg on this although I suspect many on this forum will go along with it.
    There’s nothing fallacious about him stating his opinions about how he perceives things.
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    Originally Posted by yieldtonothing View Post
    it doesn't get more white trash than calling biden a socialist when he's to the right of trump on so many things.

    road dogg is an idiot.
    I would say he used to be to the right of trump on a few things. Dont think hes to the right of him on any issues at this point
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    I would say he used to be to the right of trump on a few things. Dont think hes to the right of him on any issues at this point
    him or the people who run AOC's twitter that he hired to help his campaign?
    i like the one that says "some pulp".
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    Originally Posted by cheerupemokid View Post
    There’s nothing fallacious about him stating his opinions about how he perceives things.
    Fallacious Logic.
    I got a bad headache so i don't have it in me right now to explain what that is but "The Irrational Ape" is a good book on the subject, or just google the phrase there's a lot of sites about it.

    But basically...
    Dude gives a list of issues on which he's not satisfied with the government's performance.
    RD's rebuttal is "so you're saying socialism is the answer".
    That is called a strawman argument.

    The thing about Mexicans is also a strawman argument.

    Two people can express opposing opinions but when one person expresses their position and the other pretends they said something else entirely, that is a logical fallacy.
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    so...he had a conversation with people on twitter that didnt lead to anyone, fans included using hate and name calling ? he's entitled to his opinion. He's not a piece of **** for doing that. USA is soft and it's not even a political thing. bunch of ****ing babies.
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    People have different political views...big whoop! just move on with your lives. These wrestling fans are the softest people on the planet.
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    Originally Posted by SerpentHearted View Post
    Fallacious Logic.
    I got a bad headache so i don't have it in me right now to explain what that is but "The Irrational Ape" is a good book on the subject, or just google the phrase there's a lot of sites about it.

    But basically...
    Dude gives a list of issues on which he's not satisfied with the government's performance.
    RD's rebuttal is "so you're saying socialism is the answer".
    That is called a strawman argument.

    The thing about Mexicans is also a strawman argument.

    Two people can express opposing opinions but when one person expresses their position and the other pretends they said something else entirely, that is a logical fallacy.
    That’s not what happened because no one expressed an affirmative defense of Biden, they’re all just saying Trump has to go and Biden is better because he’s not Trump.

    He asks them if they’re supporting socialism because he has hired people who have either called themselves socialist or advocate socialist policies. And some of the policy positions, e.g. progressive tax increases for the explicit purpose of redistributing wealth are socialist.

    It’s a reasonable inference that he’ll usher in a socialist agenda, especially when every Democrat controlled city has allowed antifa to run amok for over a month now in the midst of a pandemic in violation of their rules for public gatherings. Find it hard to believe that a guy hiding in his basement because he can’t speak coherently for five minutes straight is going to stand up to them.

    But when someone says, Trump is terrible and has to go so the other guy is better” is not a coherent argument or even a rational statement. The people commentating to Road Dogg are just talking about Trump, Road Dogg is attempting to articulate the differences (in his mind) between the two.

    If the guy had said, the environment is what matters most to me and I think he’ll be better so I’m backing Biden. And the Road Dogg had, “so you want to live under a communist dictatorship,” that would be a straw man and fallacious.

    All Road Dogg is doing is trying to make coherent responses to idiotic emotional statements, “Trump abandoned covid,” “Trump is a racist,” “Trump has to go”
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    Originally Posted by cheerupemokid View Post
    That’s not what happened because no one expressed an affirmative defense of Biden, they’re all just saying Trump has to go and Biden is better because he’s not Trump.

    He asks them if they’re supporting socialism because he has hired people who have either called themselves socialist or advocate socialist policies. And some of the policy positions, e.g. progressive tax increases for the explicit purpose of redistributing wealth are socialist.

    It’s a reasonable inference that he’ll usher in a socialist agenda, especially when every Democrat controlled city has allowed antifa to run amok for over a month now in the midst of a pandemic in violation of their rules for public gatherings. Find it hard to believe that a guy hiding in his basement because he can’t speak coherently for five minutes straight is going to stand up to them.

    But when someone says, Trump is terrible and has to go so the other guy is better” is not a coherent argument or even a rational statement. The people commentating to Road Dogg are just talking about Trump, Road Dogg is attempting to articulate the differences (in his mind) between the two.

    If the guy had said, the environment is what matters most to me and I think he’ll be better so I’m backing Biden. And the Road Dogg had, “so you want to live under a communist dictatorship,” that would be a straw man and fallacious.

    All Road Dogg is doing is trying to make coherent responses to idiotic emotional statements, “Trump abandoned covid,” “Trump is a racist,” “Trump has to go”
    eeesh i hate to admit it but you actually make a fair point that he is trying to give a more specific response to a vague sort of opinion. And I'm probably more inclined to read it this way because I don't agree with him... but, i do think for example "If you don’t work and don’t want to, vote Democrat. I’ll foot the bill" is a strawman response. Admittedly more so when you take it in isolation rather than as part of the longer response though.
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    Originally Posted by SerpentHearted View Post
    I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this but i'm impressed with the strength of your argument.

    I think you're right that the fan has made kind of vague observations and RD has tried to provide an articulate response.
    But I see "I don't like the way he speaks about Mexican people" and the response "strong borders are not racism" as a strawman response. One could argue for strong borders without coming off like a racist. And I'd argue that's a leader's job.

    Honestly it's just hard for me to imagine anyone in the US looking at the state the place is in compared to 5 years ago and saying "yeah this bloke (and the party behind him) is doing a great job, we need to stay on this course". Same for my country as well mind you. It's a ****ing shambles.
    But the problems that have made things worse recently have been a pandemic that wasn't Trump's fault, racial tension being stoked by the media, and rioting by mentally ill supporters of the opposing party. I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault or a reason to vote for Biden.
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    Originally Posted by IPoopStandingUp View Post
    But the problems that have made things worse recently have been a pandemic that wasn't Trump's fault, racial tension being stoked by the media, and rioting by mentally ill supporters of the opposing party. I don't see how any of that is Trump's fault or a reason to vote for Biden.
    How's the pandemic not his fault?
    I mean... obviously there's only so much you can reasonably be expected to do to prevent it arriving in the country and then getting out of control.
    Trump's response was "it's a hoax" then "don't worry about it there was like one guy on a plane from china but we stopped him", then "it'll go away on it's own by April", then "maybe you should just inject bleach", all while insisting "we're handling it better than anywhere in the world". He's handled it atrociously.
    Also unless I'm misinformed he inherited a pandemic playbook & council of experts from the previous administration which he threw out because he was more interested in stuff like "Space Force". lol. Not to mention that whole era of states having to find their own ways to bring PPE in for healthcare workers from overseas and then having them seized by the feds and stuff like that.

    Our government has ****ed it up as well... but not to anywhere near that extent.

    Then you've got the whole issue of having unknown agents (allegedly they're private mercenaries? not sure if that's confirmed) teargassing and dragging non violent protestors off the streets and so on. That's like... 3rd world ****hole level ****. I dunno how you guys can't see it honestly.

    Our government wants much the same here. The right to just send goons in to crack the skulls of protestors and so on.

    Honestly the levels of how much is wrong with the current US government is just like... you don't even know where to begin but the pandemic response is a good place. We didn't even mention the nepotism and rampant corruption.

    My country is similar with the government essentially owned by the mining industry + rupert murdoch, famous rivers now bone dry, giving away what assets we have left to the chinese. Known chinese communist party operatives literally on the benches in parliament... they want people to work longer hours for less money, tax them and then give the taxes to the rich... dickheads keep voting for them anyway.
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    Originally Posted by yieldtonothing View Post
    it doesn't get more white trash than calling biden a socialist when he's to the right of trump on so many things.

    road dogg is an idiot.
    Road Dog said NOTHING that's idiotic. Where? The man has his facts.

    You just wanna hear, but not "listen".
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    Originally Posted by SerpentHearted View Post
    How's the pandemic not his fault?
    I mean... obviously there's only so much you can reasonably be expected to do to prevent it arriving in the country and then getting out of control.
    Trump's response was "it's a hoax" then "don't worry about it there was like one guy on a plane from china but we stopped him", then "it'll go away on it's own by April", then "maybe you should just inject bleach", all while insisting "we're handling it better than anywhere in the world". He's handled it atrociously.
    Also unless I'm misinformed he inherited a pandemic playbook & council of experts from the previous administration which he threw out because he was more interested in stuff like "Space Force". lol. Not to mention that whole era of states having to find their own ways to bring PPE in for healthcare workers from overseas and then having them seized by the feds and stuff like that.

    Our government has ****ed it up as well... but not to anywhere near that extent.

    Then you've got the whole issue of having unknown agents (allegedly they're private mercenaries? not sure if that's confirmed) teargassing and dragging non violent protestors off the streets and so on. That's like... 3rd world ****hole level ****. I dunno how you guys can't see it honestly.

    Our government wants much the same here. The right to just send goons in to crack the skulls of protestors and so on.

    Honestly the levels of how much is wrong with the current US government is just like... you don't even know where to begin but the pandemic response is a good place. We didn't even mention the nepotism and rampant corruption.

    My country is similar with the government essentially owned by the mining industry + rupert murdoch, famous rivers now bone dry, giving away what assets we have left to the chinese. Known chinese communist party operatives literally on the benches in parliament... they want people to work longer hours for less money, tax them and then give the taxes to the rich... dickheads keep voting for them anyway.
    The so-called "unknown agents" are government ID'd. They ain't gonna plaster their names on their body for obvious reasons , and for the same reasons police officers don't walk around with a "John Smith" on their body.

    I do agree, though, that Trump has royally screwed over the handling of COVID. This is what you get when you listen to govt stooges like fauci and birx. All that had to happen is put togther a task force with highly qualified INDEPENDENT epidemiologists/researchers to figure this mess out. But, no...
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    Originally Posted by Thai_Clinch View Post
    so...he had a conversation with people on twitter that didnt lead to anyone, fans included using hate and name calling ? he's entitled to his opinion. He's not a piece of **** for doing that. USA is soft and it's not even a political thing. bunch of ****ing babies.
    Can't argue with that.
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    Originally Posted by SerpentHearted View Post
    Entirely fallacious logic from Road Dogg on this although I suspect many on this forum will go along with it.
    Why is it fallacious? Why are the riots occuriing in primarily dem states?
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    Originally Posted by SerpentHearted View Post
    How's the pandemic not his fault?
    I mean... obviously there's only so much you can reasonably be expected to do to prevent it arriving in the country and then getting out of control.
    Trump's response was "it's a hoax" then "don't worry about it there was like one guy on a plane from china but we stopped him", then "it'll go away on it's own by April", then "maybe you should just inject bleach", all while insisting "we're handling it better than anywhere in the world". He's handled it atrociously.
    Also unless I'm misinformed he inherited a pandemic playbook & council of experts from the previous administration which he threw out because he was more interested in stuff like "Space Force". lol. Not to mention that whole era of states having to find their own ways to bring PPE in for healthcare workers from overseas and then having them seized by the feds and stuff like that.

    Our government has ****ed it up as well... but not to anywhere near that extent.

    Then you've got the whole issue of having unknown agents (allegedly they're private mercenaries? not sure if that's confirmed) teargassing and dragging non violent protestors off the streets and so on. That's like... 3rd world ****hole level ****. I dunno how you guys can't see it honestly.

    Our government wants much the same here. The right to just send goons in to crack the skulls of protestors and so on.

    Honestly the levels of how much is wrong with the current US government is just like... you don't even know where to begin but the pandemic response is a good place. We didn't even mention the nepotism and rampant corruption.

    My country is similar with the government essentially owned by the mining industry + rupert murdoch, famous rivers now bone dry, giving away what assets we have left to the chinese. Known chinese communist party operatives literally on the benches in parliament... they want people to work longer hours for less money, tax them and then give the taxes to the rich... dickheads keep voting for them anyway.
    Pretty much none of this is true. Trump was trying to ban travel from china back in february to stop the spread of it here and was labeled a racist by libs and the media. The so called experts were telling americans not to wear masks until mid/late april, with even that little goblin looking fooker fauci saying they dont work (this was echoed by the WHO and CDC).

    The US is handling this far better than most of europe. The top 5 countries with the most deaths per capita are belgium, UK, spain, italy, and sweden. Yet retards think The US is crumbling from this virus because theyre so brainwashed by main stream media.
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    him or the people who run AOC's twitter that he hired to help his campaign?
    Is there a difference? Biden is going to adopt the position of the democratic party which is shifting further to the left.
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    The US is handling this far better than most of europe. The top 5 countries with the most deaths per capita are belgium, UK, spain, italy, and sweden. Yet retards think The US is crumbling from this virus because theyre so brainwashed by main stream media.
    Italy got absolutely smashed early on and begged the rest of the world "pay attention to what is happening here and don't let it happen to your countries". Spain got smashed shortly after. Sweden adopted a minimal intervention / herd immunity approach if i understand it correctly, and if I remember accurately it wasn't long ago people on this board used it as an example of why lockdowns were unnecessary. UK's response was similar to the US with their buffoon of a PM no-showing the response meetings and insist everyone should keep up good British customs of shaking hands and so forth. I have no knowledge of Belgium's situation tbh but to point those out like "hey the US aint doing so bad" is on pretty shaky ground IMO.

    Also I don't trust or follow mainstream media. I literally just said in the text you quoted that one of my country's biggest problems is Rupert Murdoch's hold over the government. That's the bloke who owns most of the mainstream media.
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    Road Dogg and I are cut from the same cloth in a manner of speaking. He is a Desert Storm Marine. I was in Somalia, Rwanda, Haiti, Balkan War etc. I understand a lot of what he is saying. Let me be clear, I see the path to a socialistic government if the Democrats get the power. I am not saying all Democrats are bad. They aren't but the "Leader's of the party" are in my opinion just nuts. Quite frankly that is how I see it. Warren, Pelosi, etc are just far left liberals I just can't get on board with. Living just a few minutes away from Ferguson and watching the evolution of Michael Brown incident etc is just an eye opener.

    In St. Louis there has always been a huge amount Covid-19 because people are lacsidazical and just use piss poor judgement. Until masks became mandatory so many people just walked around like "Nothing going on here".
    I blame "Mainstream media" for a lot of our problems. They are sensationalizing many things that frankly don't need to be fed.

    I am very against illegal aliens. The fact that someone is not legal to be in a country and receive benefits is quite ridiculous to me. I have personally seen where illegals get better benefits than disabled veterans. What a broken system.
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    Originally Posted by Thai_Clinch View Post
    so...he had a conversation with people on twitter that didnt lead to anyone, fans included using hate and name calling ? he's entitled to his opinion. He's not a piece of **** for doing that. USA is soft and it's not even a political thing. bunch of ****ing babies.
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