What a poor mindset to give to someone who's practically still a beginner.
Countless of studies have shown strength gains with fat loss at his stats.
Heck, even Layne Norton and other advanced athletes have reported how they're still able to gain some strength while losing fat.
Recommended reading:
https://mennohenselmans.com/gain-mus...the-same-time/
And yeah if you start a cut while believing you won't be able to gain strength that will likely become your experience.
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07-16-2020, 09:59 PM #121
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07-16-2020, 10:27 PM #122
Maybe I missed it but hasn’t he been working out for a year?
If your dropping weight (not just fat) eating at a large deficit and dropping weight the rate op wants to, he’s going to be spinning his wheels going no where trying to cut and gain at the same time.
When cutting maintaining strength as much possible is a more realistic goal than losing weight and gaining strength and muscle at the same time
oh yes learned that the hard way when I injured my lower back and how weak it really was with the right formLast edited by snailsrus; 07-16-2020 at 10:53 PM.
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07-16-2020, 10:39 PM #123
On and off, while switching programs, with suboptimal sleep and diet.
Plenty of studies have shown fat loss with strength gains in people with similar lifting experience and stronger than him. See the link in my previous post.
If your dropping weight (not just fat) eating at a large deficit and dropping weight the rate op wants to, he’s going to be spinning his wheels going no where.
But the point is: if you tell someone upfront that it's impossible to gain strength in deficit and they believe that to be true, it's more likely to become their reality.
If you don't want to read Menno's article read this study: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Elite_Athletes
Tl/dr: people stronger than OP gaining strength in deficit.
And there's many studies like that.Last edited by Mrpb; 07-16-2020 at 10:55 PM.
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07-16-2020, 10:56 PM #124
I’ve always been on the weaker side I guess. Not sure why but always felt that way anyways.
I’m a lot stronger now than I was but like
I said, weekly gains came for a few weeks (I’ll have to jog through my notes but maybe couple months) and then stopped.
I’m loosing 1lb and sometimes 1.2lbs per week while maintaining my lifts on AllPro.
From what I understand, that’s not atall aggressive. Or is it? At my weight, that’s 0.7% of bodyweight.
I recently changed from 1g protien to 0.8g protien per lb of bodyweight and upped my carbs by the same amount (mostly added fruit for what it’s worth).
And I get 65g fats minimum. Rest is carbs.**^^ gone ^^**
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07-16-2020, 10:59 PM #125
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07-16-2020, 11:04 PM #126
i sleep way less than op 0 affect on my training. If op was at a higher weight I would think it’s realistic. There are many variables on why op can and someone else can.
That said with how low his lifts are even in a cut I could see gains with strength if he is willing to really push himself in the gym with a routine he sticks to while increasing volume/ and or strength. The studies you posted I am not at the gym with them or op comparing intensity or consistency or rate of progression. I think op needs to do more than sleep more and eat less. If he is inconsistent with a routine he won’t see results. I can do my whole routine but if I am only doing it at 75% of the weight I normally do and don’t add more volume or weight back up to 100% I will lose strength / see no gains
My sleep is average 4 hours
https://i.imgur.com/x01QneG.png
Normally it’s a more consistent 4 hours but last night I had to catch up for earlier in the week
i mean you can eat more fats and proteins if you please and that’s actually reasonable weight lossLast edited by snailsrus; 07-16-2020 at 11:10 PM.
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07-16-2020, 11:41 PM #127
Some people just aren't that strong and don't have great genetics for strength - myself included. I've been lifting consistently for 18 months and my lifts are in my sig - some better than OP's, some worse (and I'm at a higher bodyweight). I work out consistently and plenty hard - usually 1-2 reps shy of failure for most sets. Plenty of gains still to be had of course, but my newbie gains are definitely behind me, having already gained nearly 20lb of muscle.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=181179323&p=1658333353#post1658333353
Age: 38
Height: 185cm (6'1")
Weight: 79.3kg (175lb)
Personal best lifts
Bench - 6 x 65kg (143lb), 8 x 62.5kg (138lb)
Bent Over Row - 10 x 70kg (154lb)
Front squat - 5 x 67.5kg (149lb)
Back squat - 1 x 95kg (209lb), 8 x 77.5kg (171lb)
RDL - 9 x 87.5kg (193lb)
Deadlift - 6 x 107.5kg (237lb)
Overhead Press - 6 x 40kg (88lb)
Chin Ups - 7 x bodyweight + 12.5kg (27.5lb), 14 x b.weight
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07-16-2020, 11:47 PM #128
About this...not sore too bad atall. I used to get a lot of DOMS In my legs during my Cut but I suppose I’m now used to It and it’s not bad atall.
However there is a “Empty” or weakness Or fatigue feeling In my muscles the day of and sometimes day after workout. Like they’d like more energy / fuel. Usually eating carbs makes that feeling go away but if my calories budget is done for the day I’m outta luck. I usually just ride it out.
Any suggestion about “listening to the body”? Should I just eat more carbs (like one to two bananas or couple slices killer bread sandwich or Cup Or two berries is what’s needed and helps but I don’t go over my calories and sometimes just go to bed with that feeling)**^^ gone ^^**
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07-17-2020, 12:11 AM #129
My advice is based on science, not on personal anecdotes. Science shows poor sleep leads to less LBM gains. It may be a reason why OP seems to have a harder time gaining muscle.
If you're getting 4h sleep you'd probably benefit from more sleep. You may have a specific gene called DEC 1, also called familial short sleepers. But even then you'd benefit from more sleep. That's based on science again, not personal anecdotes.Last edited by Mrpb; 07-17-2020 at 12:27 AM.
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07-17-2020, 05:50 AM #130
No need for a coach, get some videos up. This forum has some pretty good lifters who can help you with cueing and technique but we need a video. We can debate all the other things for days but if your technique isn't addressed it won't matter if you're getting 4 or 8 hours of sleep or X carbs, X fats, X protein /day.
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07-17-2020, 06:00 AM #131
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07-17-2020, 04:14 PM #134
The squat series was amazing. I implemented some of his cues today in my workout and had amazing squats. Haven’t felt this natural in a long while. Specially the setup.
I’ve always read BREATH INTO THE BELLY. Or take a big breath before breaking at the knees.
The way he explained, 100% understood and got it and back felt straight (instead of Butt sticking out kinda and having that curve) and did not bounce forward as much out of the hole.
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07-17-2020, 04:16 PM #135
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07-17-2020, 04:59 PM #136
I knew you’d say that
You learn something new every day I suppose.
I’ll be uploading my videos when I can edit them. Hopefully you can check em out.
I thought I was breathing into the belly, but holding your waist and breathing in and feeling the waist expand, that’s like BOOM yea that’s what he’s asking to do.
I was already breathing in, but felt the “360 head popping pressure“ for the first time**^^ gone ^^**
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07-17-2020, 05:16 PM #137
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07-17-2020, 05:24 PM #138
If after all this time your squat is still only 115 lb there's also the chance you may just not be cut out for squatting. The idea that you must squat is just short sighted. Plenty of other good leg exercises. Leg press with leg curls for example.
Here's a good article by Lyle
https://bodyrecomposition.com/muscle...s-for-big-legs
While many take it as an article of faith that all trainees must squat, the reality is far different. Only a handful of athletes truly must squat and that’s because the movement is part of their competition. But for everyone else, squats are an optional movement. And factually, some simply are not built to squat well. And if their goal is simply getting bigger legs, in many cases it may be better for them to avoid squatting and choose a movement such as the leg press instead.
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07-17-2020, 06:02 PM #142
The weirdest thing I've seen a lot in several gyms is people doing these plate loaded leg press machines when your back is on the floor and you're pressing up: they're collecting almost every weight in the gym, loading the machine up with something like 500 lb or more and then they're doing a 2 inch range of motion. Quite bizarre.
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It probably also effects more of the muscles you don't see as much, like glutes and hamstrings, since those are what become more active in the later/lower points of the leg press/squat motion. They could probably get OK stimulation on certain parts of the quads but lack in the glute/ham.
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07-17-2020, 06:33 PM #146
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07-17-2020, 06:37 PM #147
That’s the cue I used to follow till now and the BRACED feeling you get breathing Into the stomach and then tensing the belly is totally different.
The punch brace has your abs retracted towards the back almost.
The breathing into belly and bracing feels more like stomach is bloated as fuk and you’re making sure it stays stuck out while creating pressure all around your core - abs, sides and back. Feels a lot more secure.
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07-17-2020, 06:39 PM #148
So far I’m blaming my lack of progress to me trying to add weight to the bar when I was maybe not ready and also not resetting at the right times.
On squat and bench it was probably the form.
Deadlift was moving along as I would do resets but it would take a couple resets to move up in weight.
That tells me my body may respond better to intermediate progression even though I’m a weakling.
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07-17-2020, 06:40 PM #149
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07-17-2020, 06:42 PM #150
I've often figured I'm in this group and would benefit from doing leg presses, but I work out in my home gym and have no intention of splashing out for a leg press machine. At the moment my leg work is front squats, good mornings, conventional deadlifts, Bulgarian Split squats and calf raises.
Wonder if OP is in the 'long femur short torso club' like me? Regardless, if I had access to a leg press, I would still squat. I expect the extra quad growth would translate to a bigger squat.
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