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    Mueller is going to testify in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    You guys see this? Shortly after Trump grants Stone clemency after being convicted of seven felonies including interfering in the Russia Investigation linked to the 2016 election.

    So Stone was convicted of lying for Trump, then Trumps grants him clemency. Don’t get me wrong, I can understand some mutual backscratching, (on a much smaller scale than US presidential elections) but that was a bad move for Trump I feel. When someone is convicted of corruption carried out on your behalf, then you use your power to set them free, it is just a really bad image, and he probably should have just let him do the 40 months.

    Okay, so Trump kicks the hornets nest, and Mueller puts out an op-ed defending the prosecutors in the Stone case, acknowledging the investigation was done correctly, with appropriate intention, etc. Reiterating his position that Trump downplaying the charges and prosecution as a witch hunt was baseless.

    House dems request Mueller testify in front of the Judiciary Committee (something that the dems on that committee have previously requested, and Graham granted the request.

    That is the part that took me by surprise and what made me feel compelled to share this with you/get your perspective. I figured he would use every tool in his tool box to prevent that from happening. At first I though I might have had his intentions wrong. Like maybe he knew some off topic information about Mueller and was trying to get him to lie under oath or something, but there isn’t anything to suggest that from what I can see. To me it seems like he would have done a lot more to keep Mueller from testify. Maybe he is just comfortable with the information Mueller may have simply being not significant. Or maybe he wants to prevent from having the same image of blatant corruption assigned to him.

    What do you guys think?

    I was looking for a date but I couldn’t find it. It will be interesting to see what happens.


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    Roger Stone was charged on 7 counts for obstruction, making false statements, and witness tampering.


    To commute the sentence does not just make a bad image, it means welcome to Authoritarian America!
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    "Interfere Russia investigation"

    Mueller - "no collusion"

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    There never should've been an investigation to begin with.

    Also, did you hear Mueller the first time? Guy is a joke and a fraud. Biggest joke I've seen in years. Stuff was not in his purview.
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    Originally Posted by Dirtybiscuit View Post
    "Interfere Russia investigation"

    Mueller - "no collusion"

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    Actually, the point of the MR was not to establish whether Trump was criminally guilty of a crime known as "collusion". There is more nuance to the situation, despite this no collusion lullaby Trumpers sing themselves to sleep to.
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    At this point, as optimistic as I would like to be, it just seems like theater at this point. Mueller already testified as part of the special investigation and it was a big dud. Remember Vindman's testimony during the Ukraine investigation, or all the "bombshells" Sondland revealed during the same investigation? I've learned my lesson not to get excited over these testimonies anymore. Will be interested to see what happens, but am expecting nothing more than a bunch of hot air followed by the typical 3 day media circus before we get distracted by something else.
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    CNN was live at the raid on Stone's property, why?

    And Stone was sentenced for some relatively inconsequential bull**** tied to a faux investigation that's receiving some pretty negative attention.

    Let Mueller come forth.
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    Originally Posted by ghostfacedup View Post
    There never should've been an investigation to begin with.

    Also, did you hear Mueller the first time? Guy is a joke and a fraud. Biggest joke I've seen in years. Stuff was not in his purview.
    After hearing him, I'd bet he never even read the report with his name attached to it
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    There shouldn’t have been an investigation to begin with. It was Obama admins wrong doing using Russia collusion hoax to spy on Trump’s campaign.

    And old timer Mueller will get wrekt even worse this time around a year older than he was when he last testified.
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    Although I will add that even though I think the Report did the due diligence in exposing the extensive lying, obstruction, and corruption of Trump and Co, I'm a bit disappointed that he fumbled the ball right at the goal.


    If he were 100% honest and respectable, he wouldn't have had to pretend that being President means you haven't committed a crime. He should have just taken the gloves off and said something to the effect of " There's no precedent for convicting a sitting President, but competely and absolutely, he committed crimes and here they are in ranked order."

    Even though the DOJ outlined his scope, he went beyond that scope and sent quite a few criminals to prison. But when it's that bad and the soul of the country is mid-transaction at the hands of spineless, narcissistic sycophants, cut the boy scout BS and unapologetically state the facts into every camera and microphone you can get your hands on. Did more than asked but failed at a very crucial point; sent enough folks away to prove what a filthy pigsty Trump is running, but let the Orange Anus himself off too easily.
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Actually, the point of the MR was not to establish whether Trump was criminally guilty of a crime known as "collusion". There is more nuance to the situation, despite this no collusion lullaby Trumpers sing themselves to sleep to.
    Explain. Please.
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    Originally Posted by wake_me View Post
    After hearing him, I'd bet he never even read the report with his name attached to it
    My takeaway from the hearings and his testimony was that the Republican and Democrat congressmen - each group - were asking a lot of leading questions couched in their respective sets of hearsay/CT/narratives, and Mueller was trying hard not to be either side's pawn. That is to say, at different times when he didn't have a clear answer to a question it's because he hadn't been living in either the Republicans' investigation-is-a-Deep-State-coup world or the Democrats' Trump-is-obviously-a-Russian-agent world, and he tried hard not to give either group anything but the apolitical findings of the investigation.
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    Originally Posted by StoliFun View Post
    My takeaway from the hearings and his testimony was that the Republican and Democrat congressmen - each group - were asking a lot of leading questions couched in their respective sets of hearsay/CT/narratives, and Mueller was trying hard not to be either side's pawn. That is to say, at different times when he didn't have a clear answer to a question it's because he hadn't been living in either the Republicans' investigation-is-a-Deep-State-coup world or the Democrats' Trump-is-obviously-a-Russian-agent world, and he tried hard not to give either group anything but the apolitical findings of the investigation.
    He was asked simple questions regarding statements that had been made in the report, then when directed to those parts of the report in front of him, denied any knowledge.

    He didn't write the report, he didn't read the report - all he did was spend north of $30m to basically say, "I dunno lol"

    It may have been an attempt at impartiality, but I can't see how a guy like that who exhibited early stages of Joementia was thinking on his feet and trying to throw up an air of non-partisanship.
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    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    CNN was live at the raid on Stone's property, why?

    And Stone was sentenced for some relatively inconsequential bull**** tied to a faux investigation that's receiving some pretty negative attention.

    Let Mueller come forth.
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    Explain. Please.


    Before I begin, let me get your position downpat first. Do you believe the MR exonerated Trump and demonstrates he is an innocent little cherub?
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Actually, the point of the MR was not to establish whether Trump was criminally guilty of a crime known as "collusion". There is more nuance to the situation, despite this no collusion lullaby Trumpers sing themselves to sleep to.
    The entire investigation was predicated on a lie. ALL charges stemming from it are fruit of a poisonous tree and they should ALL be dropped and ALL sentences commuted.
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Before I begin, let me get your position downpat first. Do you believe the MR exonerated Trump and demonstrates he is an innocent little cherub?
    That's not how our system of justice works. If you can't PROVE a crime was committed, then the person has been exonerated.
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    Originally Posted by chaunce54 View Post
    The entire investigation was predicated on a lie. ALL charges stemming from it are fruit of a poisonous tree and they should ALL be dropped and ALL sentences commuted.

    Ok, so I take it you're of the persuasion that Trump is an innocent little cherub?
    Back off, Warchild.

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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Ok, so I take it you're of the persuasion that Trump is an innocent little cherub?
    It doesn't matter what ANYONE thinks. It matters what ANYONE can prove.
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    Here you go OP. This might be a tad loose, but I'm sure it'll shrink after you wash it

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    can't wait for all the faux-outrage by republicans once a democrat gets into power again.

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    Does OP not realize that Mueller already testified?

    Originally Posted by XterraRob View Post
    CNN was live at the raid on Stone's property, why?

    And Stone was sentenced for some relatively inconsequential bull**** tied to a faux investigation that's receiving some pretty negative attention.

    Let Mueller come forth.
    This is the bottom line. It was a farce of an investigation, and Stone got caught up in it. When the best you can get is "lying to authorities" about something...you have nothing. Commuting the sentence was the right thing to do.
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    can't wait for all the faux-outrage by republicans once a democrat gets into power again.

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    Do you remember when Trump sold assault weapons to mexican drug lords?

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    "Mr. Mueller can you tell us why you think Mr. Stone should not have been pardoned?"

    Muller:

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    Lemme check my notes and..
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    Well I wasn't um directly involved with that part of um
    let me talk to counsel... ummm
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    can you repeat the question...? "
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    Before I begin, let me get your position downpat first. Do you believe the MR exonerated Trump and demonstrates he is an innocent little cherub?
    It could not exonerate Trump because there was no conviction. The writers of the report knew that, and fed it to CNN who knew that - but the general public appeared to be unaware that you cannot exonerate someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime. Therefore that was the narrative, and you leftards ran with it.
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