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    Identity Politics: Does your party reflect you?

    I consider myself independent but left leaning.

    I feel like the Democrat party, platform, leadership and base are ostracizing me from the group. There's a definite air of being a white male should not be celebrated or even tolerated unless you become beta.

    I also feel like the Republican party is too far in the other direction. There's a feeling like minorities don't belong and then the crazy religious people that hate homosexuals and what not.

    However, the Republican party is also welcoming of white males and in general celebrates success no matter what the race is. I'm hard pressed to find a person in the GOP that thinks minorities that succeed in business should not be celebrated.

    So I run into the problem of, do I stick with the left, which I generally agree with (I think Obama was a great President and think Hillary had great policy ideas). Or do I switch to the right, so I do not feel attacked and belittled?

    The problem I think is there is not a check or balance on the lefts rhetoric. There's been an active campaign against racism on African Americans since the 80s, but now there are no active campaigns against things like "White privilege" etc.

    I could make the OP a book, but I'll just post.
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    I just want a fiscally conservative, scientifically literate, socially liberal, environmentally responsible, internationalist party man.
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    Originally Posted by trancecel View Post
    I just want a fiscally conservative, scientifically literate, socially liberal, environmentally responsible, internationalist party man.
    you seem upset
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    I’m fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I used to think this meant libertarian, but apparently you have to want to overthrow the government to join that party. I’ll be voting for Trump because honestly the GOP seems to be actually working to appeal to moderates while the Dems are trying to radicalize everyone and push their platform as far to the left as possible.
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    Fiscal and social conservative

    I voted that you are a phaggot, OP
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    I agree with OP, but for me as long as Trump is the face of the Republican Party I could never ever vote R.

    I live in a state where my vote doesn’t matter though, so I’m writing in Yang.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I consider myself independent but left leaning.



    I also feel like the Republican party is too far in the other direction. There's a feeling like minorities don't belong and then the crazy religious people that hate homosexuals and what not.
    This is all based on leftist trash. Conservatives would love to have everyone believe in small government and individual rights
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    Originally Posted by trancecel View Post
    I just want a fiscally conservative, scientifically literate, socially liberal, environmentally responsible, internationalist party man.
    I'm good with the first three and iffy on the last two.

    "Environmentally responsible" is cool if it is real and realistic. Too aware of fake recycling, "carbon credit" schemes, the idiocy of ethanol (more energy in than out), overly strict regulations hamstringing smaller US businesses while at the same time big corps are clear to sell products here banned in other countries, and on, and on.

    And what is an "internationalist" exactly? I consider myself a nationalist in that I believe government at a larger scale is foolishness still. Policies that are best for the US and policies that are the right thing for Tanzania aren't likely to be the same policies. If you mean that each nation should mind their own knitting and respect other countries rights and boundaries unless said country is acting in a way that 1) their actions are damaging to other nations or 2) their actions are in violation of basic human rights, then okay. If you are just using another term for "globalist" then no thanks.
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    Originally Posted by Ikeman83 View Post
    This is all based on leftist trash. Conservatives would love to have everyone believe in small government and individual rights
    HAHAHAHA!!! Since when? Bush and the patriot act? TRUMP? You can say you want whatever you want but you keep electing big government authoritarians.
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    Originally Posted by Ikeman83 View Post
    This is all based on leftist trash. Conservatives would love to have everyone believe in small government and individual rights
    Ah, but is the Republican party actually conservative anymore?

    IIRC part of being conservative used to be letting other people live their lives how they want so long as they aren't injuring anyone else in the process. Seems like when the Rs started identifying with and catering to the evangelical Christians that went out the window.

    From that perspective (you do you and I will do me) the Republicans would be the party in support of legalizing marijuana and prostitution.

    Originally Posted by miscinbro View Post
    HAHAHAHA!!! Since when? Bush and the patriot act? TRUMP? You can say you want whatever you want but you keep electing big government authoritarians.
    ^^^
    Also this.
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    Neither party in their current form

    Detest the democrats and their wanton destruction of America’s history, their globalism, their hatred of a lawful society

    Detest today’s GOP for their lack of balls to speak up for Trump and defend him. Most are also globalist and won’t speak out against immigration and taxes. Neither seems to care about children’s education which is my pet peeve. We have the democrats wanting to teach them how normal it is to be a mentally ill freak show instead of maths and science and Republicans sit back and do nothing

    Democrats trying to destroy the working and middle classes and just have a system of elites/ poverty class

    Trying to destroy the 2A again means a never vote for liberals from me

    If Trump had not run last time that would have been my3rd time not voting in an election
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    I guess the OP or anyone can discuss policy differences between the 2 parties and base their decision on that, or come to the very hard realization, that those on the left who currently control the (D)/media, are are going actively wage war your children in the very near future.

    Now, for some people, orange man bad/drumpf!1!!! Is more important than the futures of their children and mistakenly think, well, if I hold my nose and vote Biden in 2020, I'll get to have a re-do come 2024 for a more palatable (R). No, you wont.
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    Originally Posted by RIKTER View Post
    I guess the OP or anyone can discuss policy differences between the 2 parties and base their decision on that, or come to the very hard realization, that those on the left who currently control the (D)/media, are are going actively wage war your children in the very near future.

    Now, for some people, orange man bad/drumpf!1!!! Is more important than the futures of their children and mistakenly think, well, if I hold my nose and vote Biden in 2020, I'll get to have a re-do come 2024 for a more palatable (R). No, you wont.
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    Originally Posted by RIKTER View Post
    I guess the OP or anyone can discuss policy differences between the 2 parties and base their decision on that, or come to the very hard realization, that those on the left who currently control the (D)/media, are are going actively wage war your children in the very near future.

    Now, for some people, orange man bad/drumpf!1!!! Is more important than the futures of their children and mistakenly think, well, if I hold my nose and vote Biden in 2020, I'll get to have a re-do come 2024 for a more palatable (R). No, you wont.
    Want to expand on that? Socialist indoctrination? Something else?

    I'm not closed minded against the idea that the left can be weaponized against our best interests as individuals or as a country. The bullying that has emerged in the past few years is truly concerning.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Want to expand on that? Socialist indoctrination? Something else?

    I'm not closed minded against the idea that the left can be weaponized against our best interests as individuals or as a country. The bullying that has emerged in the past few years is truly concerning.
    You can’t be blind to the fact that teachers and states (liberal) are trying to pervert kids and indoctrinate them into their political way of thinking
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    I think both parties are equally worthless and corrupt, but I currently "side" with the Republicans for two reasons. The Democrats are buying into the far left ideas which are actually the opposite of traditional liberal values (free speech, etc.). Secondly, the Democrats can basically do things without consequence due to a corrupt media establishment. The Dems can do things that are absolutely ridiculous and lie, while most of the media will "sell" it to the public. Also, the media will turn a blind eye to any misdoings. If it doesn't get media coverage, it might as well have never happened.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I consider myself independent but left leaning.

    I feel like the Democrat party, platform, leadership and base are ostracizing me from the group. There's a definite air of being a white male should not be celebrated or even tolerated unless you become beta.

    I also feel like the Republican party is too far in the other direction. There's a feeling like minorities don't belong and then the crazy religious people that hate homosexuals and what not.

    However, the Republican party is also welcoming of white males and in general celebrates success no matter what the race is. I'm hard pressed to find a person in the GOP that thinks minorities that succeed in business should not be celebrated.

    So I run into the problem of, do I stick with the left, which I generally agree with (I think Obama was a great President and think Hillary had great policy ideas). Or do I switch to the right, so I do not feel attacked and belittled?

    The problem I think is there is not a check or balance on the lefts rhetoric. There's been an active campaign against racism on African Americans since the 80s, but now there are no active campaigns against things like "White privilege" etc.

    I could make the OP a book, but I'll just post.
    No party is perfect,and that is why people switch parties or claim to be an independent but given the current times and the direction of the country( right track wrong track/better off than you were 4 years ago) a correction is needed badly!!!
    It is all about the issues( most are not about race) and you should make decisions based on that.
    Here are just a few:
    Tax policy
    World affairs
    Environment
    Healthcare
    issues regarding the Supreme Court
    Safety
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    Guns
    Abortion
    Church and state

    Feel free to add your own (non race related ) issues to the list
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    Strong zero "Yes" so far ha. I think by default no one is going to agree with all the positions that are traditionally represented by their party, but I figure that most people are answering with that understanding.

    I've never voted in a Presidential election, closest I came was Obama in 2008 and Trump in 2016. My beliefs would be made up of probably 50/50 of the traditional big hitters on both sides. My support for one party comes from the disdain/fear of the other. The Republicans used to be the thought police/moral arbitrators, religion, abortion, war, gays. I have a very negative reaction to anyone who tries to dictate that my quality as a human is directly related to support/rejection of their platform - as I know that A LOT of these people are some of the worst, and just incredible hypocrites. So obviously right now, I am more anti-Democrat as I have ever been towards either party, never have we had such a ****ed up 1984 scenario playing out before our eyes.
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    You can’t be blind to the fact that teachers and states (liberal) are trying to pervert kids and indoctrinate them into their political way of thinking
    Oh, I'm aware that they have passed a fair scientifically supported narrative and spun off into something that is just as much BS as what they previously attacked the right for.

    E.g. sex education in schools. It makes sense for schools to educate children on the health aspects of human sexuality.

    I think that when kids reach puberty and are physically capable of becoming sexual that it is in their best interest (and ours) that they understand how their body works, what the possible consequences are (pregnancy, disease and (neglected) emotional/psychological effects). I think that they should be educated on the forms of birth control, said forms effectiveness, and proper use. I'm all in about educating children on how consent works, and being sure they are aware that they don't "owe" anyone else access to their body. I think that children should be educated on the different kinds of abuse that can take place in relationships and should know what types of behavior are unacceptable to do to others, or to accept from others.

    I'm not okay with schools pushing sexuality and gender into regular education for younger children (prepubescent). I'm not okay with schools telling children what kind of sexuality is or is not acceptable AND I mean that both ways- not teaching abstinence/sin nor teaching pro-LGBT/trans dogma. The moral teaching should be left to the child's parents.

    The only place I can see LGBT etc. entering the public school would be part of an overall anti-bullying effort which would also speak against bullying people for their appearance, race, economic situation, etc. Not as a "pro gender and sexuality fluidity acceptance" program, but as a "don't be an azzhole" program.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Oh, I'm aware that they have passed a fair scientifically supported narrative and spun off into something that is just as much BS as what they previously attacked the right for.

    E.g. sex education in schools. It makes sense for schools to educate children on the health aspects of human sexuality.

    I think that when kids reach puberty and are physically capable of becoming sexual that it is in their best interest (and ours) that they understand how their body works, what the possible consequences are (pregnancy, disease and (neglected) emotional/psychological effects). I think that they should be educated on the forms of birth control, said forms effectiveness, and proper use. I'm all in about educating children on how consent works, and being sure they are aware that they don't "owe" anyone else access to their body. I think that children should be educated on the different kinds of abuse that can take place in relationships and should know what types of behavior are unacceptable to do to others, or to accept from others.

    I'm not okay with schools pushing sexuality and gender into regular education for younger children (prepubescent). I'm not okay with schools telling children what kind of sexuality is or is not acceptable AND I mean that both ways- not teaching abstinence/sin nor teaching pro-LGBT/trans dogma. The moral teaching should be left to the child's parents.

    The only place I can see LGBT etc. entering the public school would be part of an overall anti-bullying effort which would also speak against bullying people for their appearance, race, economic situation, etc. Not as a "pro gender and sexuality fluidity acceptance" program, but as a "don't be an azzhole" program.
    I think the problem is kids don't understand feelings. I was in 6th grade and I asked my parents if I was gay because I liked my best friend. Meaning I enjoyed having a best friend.

    My parents had to explain how I'm attracted to girls and that attraction is not the same thing as enjoying somebody's company.

    I'm not sure I trust schools or parents to teach it correctly? However at least at school we might get uniform teaching of it instead of some parents who don't ever have the talk with their kids.

    Unfortunately lower income and lower iq people breed more and need this teaching more than parents who put time and thought into what is good for their children. The teen pregnancy rate has been going down.
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    Originally Posted by katya422 View Post
    Ah, but is the Republican party actually conservative anymore?

    IIRC part of being conservative used to be letting other people live their lives how they want so long as they aren't injuring anyone else in the process. Seems like when the Rs started identifying with and catering to the evangelical Christians that went out the window.

    From that perspective (you do you and I will do me) the Republicans would be the party in support of legalizing marijuana and prostitution.
    Conservatism means family values. Not do whatever you want. That's a libertarian.

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    Want to expand on that? Socialist indoctrination? Something else?

    I'm not closed minded against the idea that the left can be weaponized against our best interests as individuals or as a country. The bullying that has emerged in the past few years is truly concerning.
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    Conservatism means family values. Not do whatever you want. That's a libertarian.
    "Who cares, as long as it doesn't affect me" says the lolbertarian as cross dressers are hosting guest storytime at their kids school
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    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    "Who cares, as long as it doesn't affect me" says the lolbertarian as cross dressers are hosting guest storytime at their kids school
    Should cross dressing be labeled a mental illness? Even if you can diagnose the person with elevated hormones of the other sex.

    If so, what do you propose the treatment should be? If they enjoy cross dressing and are miserable not doing it, then what?

    Ellen DeGeneres dresses similar to a guy, I think it's her personality.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    Should cross dressing be labeled a mental illness? Even if you can diagnose the person with elevated hormones of the other sex.

    If so, what do you propose the treatment should be? If they enjoy cross dressing and are miserable not doing it, then what?
    Maybe not have them host storytime to 5 year olds?
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    Should cross dressing be labeled a mental illness? Even if you can diagnose the person with elevated hormones of the other sex.

    If so, what do you propose the treatment should be? If they enjoy cross dressing and are miserable not doing it, then what?
    It's not the fact that they're cross dressing, it's the fact that they are reading books to small children in an educational setting. Things like homosexuality shouldn't be willingly exposed to small children because it can screw up their heads.
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    Originally Posted by FatBallz View Post
    It's not the fact that they're cross dressing, it's the fact that they are reading books to small children in an educational setting. Things like homosexuality shouldn't be willingly exposed to small children because it can screw up their heads.
    I agree.

    But not really. We have gay friends who will meet our child early in age.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I think the problem is kids don't understand feelings. I was in 6th grade and I asked my parents if I was gay because I liked my best friend. Meaning I enjoyed having a best friend.

    My parents had to explain how I'm attracted to girls and that attraction is not the same thing as enjoying somebody's company.

    I'm not sure I trust schools or parents to teach it correctly? However at least at school we might get uniform teaching of it instead of some parents who don't ever have the talk with their kids.

    Unfortunately lower income and lower iq people breed more and need this teaching more than parents who put time and thought into what is good for their children. The teen pregnancy rate has been going down.
    FWIW I think that you can address the nature of physical attraction as opposed to friendship without promoting alternative lifestyles. If I would even tick a toe into that area in a public health education way it would to acknowledge that a certain percentage of people are X, Y, Z without endorsing anything.

    Originally Posted by DukeOfWoodBerry View Post
    Conservatism means family values. Not do whatever you want. That's a libertarian.



    The left is already pushing it's anti white message strongly. It wants to use that message in schools to indoctrinate kids and then to discriminate against whites for college and jobs. If you're white and voting for Democrat still it means you hate your children or don't plan on having children.
    But whose family values?

    I'm personally not worried much about a party being "anti white". I'm not even sure what that would look like unless you are referring to affirmative action which I believe should be based on economic class instead of race. A poor white kid from Appalachia can be just as disadvantaged as a poor black kid from Detroit.

    The call for "open borders" is the same to me. Allowing unchecked immigration is "anti native born American" and it doesn't matter if that native born American is Chinese, white, black, or Hispanic.

    Originally Posted by John L View Post
    Maybe not have them host storytime to 5 year olds?
    Agree. Don't believe that sexuality needs to be addressed with small children in schools.

    It is tricky line to walk with children when you are trying to avoid force feeding an ideology and respect the divide between church and state. A lot of it seems to have slipped into a kind of relativism where every choice is equally valid and there is no real "good" or "bad". That is false and it is scary to ponder how easily lead a population could be if the majority haven't got a real moral compass.

    If you have kids you might want to check in more about this.

    I had a somewhat chilling exchange with my daughter this afternoon. She has been staying mainly with my ex who seems to have drifted from left to something fringier.

    I was watching a video that was talking about social media and how it steers peoples' perceptions. There was some discussion of foreign actors using sock puppets to sow increasing dissent within the US. My daughter was there and she was very resistant to any of this being true. I brought up TikTok being a Chinese app and she pushed back that it didn't matter. Told her the company that the Chinese government has an ownership stake in the company that made the app.

    We had some more back and forth, but the scary bit was how she seemed compelled to defend China. I told her about the Chinese government allowing their citizens from Wuhan to fly all over the world after they knew this virus was bad and were not allowing people from Wuhan to fly to other cities in China. She didn't want to believe me. Asked what my source was. Said it might just be a big rumor. Said that maybe China only did it because "orange man bad/they are mad at Trump". Pointed out that they let people fly everywhere, not just to the US. And questioned how their actions could possibly be justified. Somewhere in there she dropped the "no such thing as good or bad" and in her mind even using that descriptor was akin to saying that "Chinese people are bad people" which I never said. So I reiterated that there ARE good and bad actions and that the Chinese government's action in this case was "bad" by most any measure. Didn't bother to hash out that you could call it "good" if it served you purposes as a member of the Chinese government.
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