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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Hope the stimulus bill passes tomorrow. Should yield a decent pump
    I'm getting slaughtered. My acc was at $67k a few days ago, now down to $57k and still slowly bleeding.. wonder if GME has anything to do with this

    Almost contemplating selling and getting out while I'm still ahead. My year end goal was to reach $130k.. still a lot of time left.
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    Srs question though- how TF are yields rising when there should reasonably be a big shift into bonds as people leave equities?

    basically this.


    The sharp increase this month in U.S. government-bond yields is pressuring the stock market and forcing investors to more seriously confront the implications of rising interest rates.

    The lift in yields largely reflects investor expectations of a strong economic recovery. However, the collateral damage could include higher borrowing costs for businesses, more options for investors who had seen few alternatives to stocks and less favorable valuation models for some hot technology shares, investors and analysts said.

    As of Friday, the yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury note stood at 1.344%, up from 1.157% just five trading sessions earlier and roughly 0.9% at the start of the year.

    The S&P 500 fell 0.7% for the week, dragged down largely by technology stocks, which after big gains in recent years are seen as especially vulnerable to rising yields. Banks, meanwhile, rose as investors bet that higher long-term interest rates would make their lending activity more profitable.

    “The market’s wobbled a little bit,” said Brad McMillan, chief investment officer at Commonwealth Financial Network, an investment advisory and brokerage firm. “The market has principally been saying hooray, the pandemic is coming under control and the economy is starting to grow again. But now we’re actually starting to see the consequences of that in the form of higher rates, and I think the market’s processing that.”

    Stuck near historic lows for most of last year, Treasury yields have climbed in recent months along with investors’ expectations for a strong economic rebound, driven in part by more debt-financed government spending.

    The move over the past week caught investors’ attention because no specific catalyst was apparent. That raised the prospect that yields could rise more quickly and unpredictably than expected—an outcome that many believe would be more disruptive to other assets like stocks than a slow, orderly climb.

    Rising yields, which result from falling bond prices, often reflect investor expectations of faster growth and an accompanying rise in inflation, which makes the interest payments of bonds less valuable. A pickup in inflation could also eventually lead the Federal Reserve to raise short-term interest rates, though most investors don’t expect that to happen in the near term. More government borrowing could boost yields as well just by increasing the supply of bonds.

    Investors this week will monitor the latest developments in Washington, where House Democrats hope to finalize a $1.9 trillion stimulus package, as well as figures on consumer spending and earnings from consumer companies like Home Depot Inc. and Macy’s Inc.

    They will also keep watching Treasury yields, whose rise can hurt stocks in a few different ways, according to investors and analysts.

    As yields move up, borrowing costs for most businesses should also rise, crimping profits. Higher yields could also prompt some risk-averse investors to sell stocks and return to government and corporate bonds, now that they will earn a more meaningful return.

    Finally, many investors use the 10-year Treasury yield as a discount rate in formulas to value stocks. All else being equal, the expected cash flows of companies are considered less valuable when yields are higher. That could threaten many tech stocks because much of their earnings are expected to come further in the future.

    Treasury yields remain extremely low by historical standards but aren’t so low relative to stock prices, some argue. In recent years, the 12-month forward-earnings yield of world technology companies—their expected earnings per share as a percentage of their stock price—has generally exceeded the 10-year Treasury yield by at least 2.5 percentage points.

    But the yield differential has recently fallen below that threshold, a sign that the stock-market rally that was previously justified by ultralow bond yields “is turning irrational,” Dhaval Joshi, chief European investment strategist at BCA Research, a Montreal-based investment research firm, wrote in a report last week.

    Still, many investors aren’t too worried about rising yields, seeing them mostly as a welcome sign that the economic outlook is improving.

    “Our base case is for the positives of a higher rate regime to outweigh the negatives,” said Matt Peron, director of research at Janus Henderson Investors.

    Many professional stock investors have already baked higher yields into their valuation models, and the largest tech companies generally have earnings that justify their prices, he added.

    Even so, rising yields could cause investors to rethink their allocations to different sectors, Mr. Peron said.

    His own team started adding exposure in the second half of last year to companies such as certain retail brands and online travel businesses that stand to benefit from an economic recovery and are less vulnerable to rising rates.

    The impact on stocks depends a lot on how high and how quickly yields can rise, analysts said. A range of analysts forecast that the 10-year Treasury yield will reach anywhere from 1.5% to 2% by the end of the year, as investors start preparing for future rate increases from the Fed.

    So far, the sudden rise in yields reflects uncertainty about the future more than any tangible changes in the economy. Earlier this month, the Labor Department reported that core consumer prices, excluding the often volatile food and energy categories, were essentially flat for the previous two months.

    Treasury yields fell at the time, only to begin their latest steep ascent just two days later.

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    Holy chit I'm getting r@ped. CLOV is at 9.80 lmao. Didn't think it would tank like that. It's a bloodbath for me.
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    Welp. back to NAV we go lmao wow.

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    Down from $67k to $56.6k. Fuk this ****.

    Sold my ALTU, BFT, IPOF, and PLTR, and kept 1 share of each. I'll buy in once I start to see them recover.

    Wiped out nearly a month of gains.

    Atleast I stopped the bleeding though, everything else is at NAV.

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    Down huge today, but just going to hold and ride it out. Thank god for NAV.
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Down from $67k to $56.6k. Fuk this ****.

    Sold my ALTU, BFT, IPOF, and PLTR, and kept 1 share of each. I'll buy in once I start to see them recover.

    Wiped out nearly a month of gains.

    Atleast I stopped the bleeding though, everything else is at NAV.

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    I dont even want to sign in. I know im prob sub 180k and I was at 232k on Monday

    I began the year with 112k though so ehhh stocks don't always go up I guess. At least I have a good job
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    Down from $67k to $56.6k. Fuk this ****.

    Sold my ALTU, BFT, IPOF, and PLTR, and kept 1 share of each. I'll buy in once I start to see them recover.

    Wiped out nearly a month of gains.

    Atleast I stopped the bleeding though, everything else is at NAV.

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    sell low buy back high ?
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    Originally Posted by mikusk View Post
    sell low buy back high ?
    The alternative is diamond handing into a true bear market.. would rather cut my losses while I'm still ahead. Don't want to risk bag holding if the market is getting fuked long term after this.

    I don't mind buying in a dollar higher.
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    The alternative is diamond handing into a true bear market.. would rather cut my losses while I'm still ahead. Don't want to risk bag holding if the market is getting fuked long term after this.

    I don't mind buying in a dollar higher.
    doubled down on pltr today, will just wheel if bear comes
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    Originally Posted by ajctennis View Post
    Down huge today, but just going to hold and ride it out. Thank god for NAV.
    this. Down about 7k today but majority of my holdings are within 10% of NAV so I'm really not too stressed.

    Just my luck to come back from a 2 month market hiatus to put 90k before a big downturn lol. At least I was able to buy more stuff on the way down, wish I had just waited another week to reenter the markets. Can't time the markets tho so oh well.

    IIRC there was similar SPAC-wide bleeds both after NKLA and SHLL had big sell offs post-merger, so I think the disappointment of CCIV not continuing to trend upwards after DA spooked a lot of the newer SPAC crowd who then pulled out of their other spac holdings. Just me speculating.
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    The alternative is diamond handing into a true bear market.. would rather cut my losses while I'm still ahead. Don't want to risk bag holding if the market is getting fuked long term after this.

    I don't mind buying in a dollar higher.
    a true bear market?

    people are getting vaccinated around the world. Covid cases and hospitalizations both dropping significantly. People eager to get out and resume normal life, and that's within sight at this point.

    Don't see why we would enter a true bear market when the energy seems to point towards pent up consumer demand to get out and spend once more and more restrictions are lifted.
    Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
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    Originally Posted by ajctennis View Post
    Down huge today, but just going to hold and ride it out. Thank god for NAV.
    Sold my PTICU at 10.90 (no gains lmao) to buy things that are suuuuuper near NAV. Didn't get the CRHC order I placed at 10.33 though or the AVAN order I placed at 10.32 just barely too slow freeing up cash fuk lmao.


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    Account went from $100000 to $210000 to $160000 in these last 2 months. Sitting mostly cash now until this shiet is over. Phuck Biden's economy
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    people starting to panic, kind of a buy signal imo
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    Originally Posted by SazabiBrah View Post
    Account went from $100000 to $210000 to $160000 in these last 2 months. Sitting mostly cash now until this shiet is over. Phuck Biden's economy

    Get close to NAV and you'll be fine. Took a $1,600 haircut today cuz of stupid options I bought (ayy lmao) and other various SPAC losses. Did the math and I can only drop another $4300 till I hit $10 on EVERYTHING including FTOC (not including the gains I'd have from the covered calls). So another 6% loss possible if everything went to NAV. I feel pretty good about that.


    People are dumb and selling their stuff near NAV- not sure what tf they are buying or if they are just trying to horde cash. Either way there are some HUGE deals to be had right now.

    CRHC at 10.40
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    MAAC 10.18 if you feelin frisky

    COOL (kinda a meme) 10.06

    Something I think could be a great deal is DLCAU at $10.40ish obviously still units as the "U" implies. each unit gets 1/2 a warrant. If commons trade at 10.20 post split that would imply fairly decent warrant gains if they trade at even $1. The split is coming 3/5 (next Friday) btw. Thoughts on this?

    Last potential buy PTICW---Warrants are at their lowest I've ever seen at $1.50 I might pick 500 of them up since I sold the units.


    Also, IMO commons <$10.50 are going to be the first thing to recover. Everyone will sell other things or panic dump warrants for the safety of commons. Anyone who likes spacs should consider getting into good teams the closer to $10 the better obviously.
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    Originally Posted by adamsz View Post
    a true bear market?

    people are getting vaccinated around the world. Covid cases and hospitalizations both dropping significantly. People eager to get out and resume normal life, and that's within sight at this point.

    Don't see why we would enter a true bear market when the energy seems to point towards pent up consumer demand to get out and spend once more and more restrictions are lifted.
    Brah, we're wearing masks until 2022 according to Gates/Fauci. That's even if we don't see more strains of the virus. That's even if everyone gets vaccinated and the vaccines do their job. I find it hard to believe they're just going to say "well, now that we're vaccinated and have reached herd immunity, congratulations! you can all take off your marks, open up your businesses and schools, and resume normal life". They've started down a path of no return. They won't relinquish their power/authority, until it's taken from them. IMO.

    Sorry to fill this thread with what some of you may perceive as a conspiracy theory or politics. Just calling it how I see it.
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    Originally Posted by guideX View Post
    ^ bulletproof strategy.

    Regretting buying in yesterday. I'm getting absolutely demolished on all warrants but particularly IPOFW and ALTUW.

    send help
    I got lucky. My PTICU sold for what I bought them for so it freed me up to average down a lot. Almost sold everything not a SPAC to go all in!
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    Originally Posted by guideX View Post
    IPOFW

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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Did the math and I can only drop another $4300 till I hit $10 on EVERYTHING including FTOC (not including the gains I'd have from the covered calls). So another 6% loss possible if everything went to NAV.
    I'm a broke boi but what are you planning for with FTOC? It's been dropping for a bit now and idk what to think about it.

    Any thoughts on SRNGU?
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    Originally Posted by cullenmichael34 View Post
    I'm a broke boi but what are you planning for with FTOC? It's been dropping for a bit now and idk what to think about it.

    Any thoughts on SRNGU?
    I thought it was going to march up closer to highs current high of $14.5 or so....

    Now I’m just waiting for my cc to expire
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    Originally Posted by NoScrubz View Post
    CCIV man.... CCIV WHY!!!!!!
    Whts wrong?
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    Originally Posted by Harry362 View Post
    Whts wrong?
    I'm holding a call spread and need it to be at $35.00 by March 19. Didn't expect it to dump this hard. I opened the position with profits from selling CCIV shares so no real loss but still sucks if I doesn't hit lol
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    This is what I am doing currently, and will probably continue to do until something makes better sense:

    Original position of CCIV
    -2.5k shares @ $24
    -3/19 $45cc @ $6.5 x25
    -Closed out 15 of the CC's @ $1.4
    -Opened 3/5 $35cc @ $1.5 x15

    Basically going to let 1k shares ride out (at the very least through the expiration of the 3/19 CC)
    Remaining 1.5k shares I am going to sell weeklies on for as long as premiums are juicy, get called away, or it just moons and I stop selling calls altogether.
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    Anyone in SRNGU? Run by same company that brought DraftKingz to market. Lots of capital and close to NAV
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    Originally Posted by SazabiBrah View Post
    Anyone in SRNGU? Run by same company that brought DraftKingz to market. Lots of capital and close to NAV

    Saw that annoying dude on reddit/spac page went all in on that at 10.80. He bought 5 million worth
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