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    Most Loyal Baseball Fanbase (index I made)

    Been fooling around with the Lahman baseball database. Below is 2000-2019 baseball home attendance.

    2nd column total home attendance
    3rd column standard deviation home attendance
    4th column raio of 2nd and 3rd columns

    My reasoning for "loyalty" is high attendance and minimal deviation which would mean team is maximizing attendance with minimal off years.

    Always thought Atlanta fans in general were really fairweather, Atlanta scored well. Also surprised about San Diego and Colorado. The ratio drops hard.


    team attendance std_dev ratio
    BOS 57,790,606 145,733.1 396.6
    SLN 66,556,076 193,787.9 343.4
    SFN 64,072,556 194,706.4 329.1
    LAA 47,436,308 156,743.9 302.6
    CHN 60,225,132 209,185.2 287.9
    LAN 70,780,345 340,893.9 207.6
    ATL 50,057,983 264,142.3 189.5
    NYA 71,489,431 398,092.6 179.6
    SDN 46,939,931 290,766.1 161.4
    COL 53,543,965 347,486.4 154.1
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    I didn't combine teams meaning I did not treat Miami Marlins and Florida Marlins as 1 team, they are treated as 2. Didn't feel like manipulating the data.

    Philly is a f-ing disgrace for a major city. Huge standard deviation, extremely poor ratio meaning the fans are without question some of the worst in baseball in terms of being fairweather. Just wow.

    teamID attendance std_dev ratio
    BOS 57,790,606 145,733.1 396.6
    SLN 66,556,076 193,787.9 343.4
    SFN 64,072,556 194,706.4 329.1
    LAA 47,436,308 156,743.9 302.6
    CHN 60,225,132 209,185.2 287.9
    LAN 70,780,345 340,893.9 207.6
    ATL 50,057,983 264,142.3 189.5
    NYA 71,489,431 398,092.6 179.6
    SDN 46,939,931 290,766.1 161.4
    COL 53,543,965 347,486.4 154.1
    CIN 42,119,213 282,373.7 149.2
    ARI 46,495,284 343,667.7 135.3
    TEX 50,508,975 377,956.6 133.6
    OAK 35,794,924 280,231.1 127.7
    TBA 27,782,178 243,522.3 114.1
    MIL 50,905,133 449,705.1 113.2
    PIT 37,799,584 334,282.4 113.1
    WAS 34,753,782 312,121.2 111.3
    HOU 50,280,123 478,414.2 105.1
    CHA 40,001,245 380,837.8 105.0
    NYN 53,944,389 545,895.4 98.8
    KCA 35,021,392 365,657.2 95.8
    MIN 44,284,929 485,310.5 91.3
    BAL 44,839,513 494,793.4 90.6
    SEA 48,839,225 554,563.7 88.1
    TOR 43,833,994 499,285.3 87.8
    DET 47,617,932 562,415.6 84.7
    PHI 52,889,113 733,037.6 72.2
    CLE 39,560,431 552,720.3 71.6
    FLO 16,518,116 269,309.7 61.3
    MON 4,156,251 149,494.2 27.8
    MIA 12,208,121 483,751.7 25.2
    ANA 12,810,219 619,836.3 20.7
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    OP keep in mind that Boston is a boring city with ugly women and nothing to do past 11 PM. Going to a Red Sox game is all they got up there.
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    Originally Posted by skier! View Post
    Also surprised about San Diego
    yeah they suck but they're "our" suck
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    Originally Posted by amikaelmorris View Post
    yeah they suck but they're "our" suck
    People are consistently going to the games. That is #9 over the last twenty years. And they have never won a World Series. In fact all of the teams above have won a world series so they are the #1 fanbase of non championship teams.

    Never would have guessed that.
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    Originally Posted by skier! View Post
    People are consistently going to the games. That is #9 over the last twenty years. And they have never won a World Series. In fact all of the teams above have won a world series so they are the #1 fanbase of non championship teams.

    Never would have guessed that.
    military town, lots of transplants, giants and doyer fans fill up those "rivalry" games.. it's stable in that sense and there's nothing else going on in SD sports wise besides AHL hockey now

    mid-00s they actually were a decent team, then well.. game 163. holliday never touched home.
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    Cleaned up the data so MIA and FLO are the same team, etc.

    Also converted "ratio" to a score where Boston is 100 max and all other teams score is based on ratio to Boston.

    teamID attendance std_dev ratio score
    BOS 57790606 145733.1 396.6 100.0
    SLN 66556076 193787.9 343.4 86.6
    SFN 64072556 194706.4 329.1 83.0
    CHN 60225132 209185.2 287.9 72.6
    LAN 70780345 340893.9 207.6 52.4
    ATL 50057983 264142.3 189.5 47.8
    NYA 71489431 398092.6 179.6 45.3
    SDN 46939931 290766.1 161.4 40.7
    COL 53543965 347486.4 154.1 38.9
    CIN 42119213 282373.7 149.2 37.6
    LAA 60246527 412466.6 146.1 36.8
    ARI 46495284 343667.7 135.3 34.1
    TEX 50508975 377956.6 133.6 33.7
    OAK 35794924 280231.1 127.7 32.2
    TBA 27782178 243522.3 114.1 28.8
    MIL 50905133 449705.1 113.2 28.5
    PIT 37799584 334282.4 113.1 28.5
    HOU 50280123 478414.2 105.1 26.5
    CHA 40001245 380837.8 105 26.5
    NYN 53944389 545895.4 98.8 24.9
    KCA 35021392 365657.2 95.8 24.2
    MIN 44284929 485310.5 91.3 23.0
    BAL 44839513 494793.4 90.6 22.9
    SEA 48839225 554563.7 88.1 22.2
    TOR 43833994 499285.3 87.8 22.1
    DET 47617932 562415.6 84.7 21.4
    MIA 28726237 365859.0 78.5 19.8
    PHI 52889113 733037.6 72.2 18.2
    CLE 39560431 552720.3 71.6 18.0
    WAS 38910033 715626.7 54.4 13.7

    Summary stats of Score:

    Min. 1st Qu. Median Mean 3rd Qu. Max.
    13.70 22.93 28.65 37.03 40.25 100.00

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    Originally Posted by amikaelmorris View Post
    military town, lots of transplants, giants and doyer fans fill up those "rivalry" games.. it's stable in that sense and there's nothing else going on in SD sports wise besides AHL hockey now

    mid-00s they actually were a decent team, then well.. game 163. holliday never touched home.
    Yeah but this is 20 years of data.... The Chargers are in there for 18 or 19. It's impressive and really hard to believe IMO with everything to do in So Cal
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    Not sure what gibberish abbreviations you used...

    but I'd say the Cubs are near the top. Even dog **** years with 90+ losses, you can guarantee Wrigley was selling out.
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    Unfortunately Atlanta does a good job filling seats with fans of the opposing teams every season so your method is flawed
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    Not sure what gibberish abbreviations you used...

    but I'd say the Cubs are near the top. Even dog **** years with 90+ losses, you can guarantee Wrigley was selling out.
    Not my abbreviations, they are from the Lahman DB.

    Chicago is CHN which probably stands for Chicago NL since CHA is Chicago AL. And they are at the top, #4 overall. Look at their variance as compared to the 3 teams above. Its low, but higher than Boston, St Louis, and SFG. That is what hurts them
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    Unfortunately Atlanta does a good job filling seats with fans of the opposing teams every season so your method is flawed
    Wrong, it is noise which all teams have.
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    Originally Posted by skier! View Post
    Not my abbreviations, they are from the Lahman DB.

    Chicago is CHN which probably stands for Chicago NL since CHA is Chicago AL. And they are at the top, #4 overall. Look at their variance as compared to the 3 teams above. Its low, but higher than Boston, St Louis, and SFG. That is what hurts them
    I see.

    Not sure why they wouldn't just use the traditional abbreviations used to differentiate between the two IN Chicago.

    CHC and CHW.

    Interesting though. Cubs are also the only team out of the four in a city with another team.
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    Originally Posted by DeputyDong5 View Post
    I see.

    Not sure why they wouldn't just use the traditional abbreviations used to differentiate between the two IN Chicago.

    CHC and CHW.

    Interesting though. Cubs are also the only team out of the four in a city with another team.
    No idea about the abbreviations, I agree with you.

    If you look at the Cubs vs the White Sox, they drew in more fans almost 50% more over 20 years and the std dev is almost half of the White Sox. That is a blow out.

    Way above 3rd quartile. The top 4 teams are elite based on score. After Chicago Cubs, there is a clear cut off.
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    Originally Posted by skier! View Post
    Wrong, it is noise which all teams have.
    No no

    I can assure you I go to a lot of Braves games.

    Lol at calling it “noise” when you’ve likely never stepped foot in their stadium yourself then have the audacity to tell someone who’s at 10-20 home games every year they’re wrong.

    Sorry princess, I can assure you opposing fans flood Atlanta’s stadium like no other.

    We’re a transplant city and a lot of other fan bases find there way to our town and never stop rooting for their team

    That’s the truth. Anything else you want to tell me I’m wrong about or are you ready to shut the f*ck up?
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    Originally Posted by SoutheastBeast1 View Post
    No no

    I can assure you I go to a lot of Braves games.

    Lol at calling it “noise” when you’ve likely never stepped foot in their stadium yourself then have the audacity to tell someone who’s at 10-20 home games every year they’re wrong.

    Sorry princess, I can assure you opposing fans flood Atlanta’s stadium like no other.

    We’re a transplant city and a lot of other fan bases find there way to our town and never stop rooting for their team

    That’s the truth. Anything else you want to tell me I’m wrong about or are you ready to shut the f*ck up?
    Dude, all home teams have opposing fans going to the games. Nothing you can do about it. I live in CA, am a Boston fan and have seen the Red Sox in Montreal, Baltimore, Oakland, and SF.

    For Atlanta to score so much higher than mean and median, even if you took the noise out they would still be scoring high.

    These numbers are over 20 years, this is not a one year snapshot. Sample is large enough.

    All teams and you can bet the Yankees especially have opposing fans going to the game. It is noise and something I am not going to attempt to account for since we don't know the % breakdown at a game. Over 20 years, we have a large sample and from year to year mean reversion.

    Also, this will piss you off more, but Boston should be scoring even higher than all teams. The park was a lot smaller in the beginning of the 2000s compared to now. So their std dev is a lot higher than it should be as max attendance has grown like 25%.

    So all of these calculations have noise, nothing I can really do about it but the scores are legit. If you don't think Boston, STL, SFG, and Chicaco Cubs are premier franchises; and Det, Mia, etc are the worst I seriously laugh at you.

    Oh, and go F yourself.
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    Originally Posted by skier! View Post
    Dude, all home teams have opposing fans going to the games. Nothing you can do about it. I live in CA, am a Boston fan and have seen the Red Sox in Montreal, Baltimore, Oakland, and SF.

    For Atlanta to score so much higher than mean and median, even if you took the noise out they would still be scoring high.

    These numbers are over 20 years, this is not a one year snapshot. Sample is large enough.

    All teams and you can bet the Yankees especially have opposing fans going to the game. It is noise and something I am not going to attempt to account for since we don't know the % breakdown at a game. Over 20 years, we have a large sample and from year to year mean reversion.

    Also, this will piss you off more, but Boston should be scoring even higher than all teams. The park was a lot smaller in the beginning of the 2000s compared to now. So their std dev is a lot higher than it should be as max attendance has grown like 25%.

    So all of these calculations have noise, nothing I can really do about it but the scores are legit. If you don't think Boston, STL, SFG, and Chicaco Cubs are premier franchises; and Det, Mia, etc are the worst I seriously laugh at you.

    Oh, and go F yourself.

    So if I told you 50% of Atlanta's sales were to opposing fans teams it would still be "noise"?

    I'm not saing it's 50%. I'm saying show me the data that suggests it's comparable to other teams. Can you not do this? Then you're the one who should go F himself

    This is all we need to know right here:

    I am not going to attempt to account for since we don't know the % breakdown at a game
    That's right, YOU can't account for it. So why dismiss it as something out of the realm of possiblity that the Braves are much worse compared to others letting opposing fans into the stadium inflating them relative to others.

    This isn't about other teams also having opposing fans in the stadium. It's RELATIVE. The Braves have MORE of it happening. Do you not see how that would matter? Are you that f*cking thick in the head? And since you can't account for it you have nothing to suggest it isn't disproportionately in favor of Atlanta attendance.

    Better yet, have you ever stepped foot in a braves stadium? Show me a picture of you in the stadium and I'll ask for a permaban right here and now. LOL at running your mouth about something you clearly know nothing about.


    A good researcher acknowledges confounding variables when they exist in the data and don't just write them off as "noise". Sorry that's the truth and if it hurts so much that it makes you feel better about yourself to give me a few little red squares then at the end of the day I'd say you're the one pissed off.. not me. Good luck living a life of denial



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    I haven't commented at all on Boston, STL, SFG, Cubs, etc. So what the f*ck is this side rant you have going on all about? Just LMAO. I said Atlanta is inflated and I have evidence to support why.

    I don't give a f*ck about your calculations for anyone else. I'd put money the Braves sell significantly more tickets to fans of opposing teams than any others in the upper half of your list.
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