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    Have the skilled trades become overrated?

    It's been hyped up the last few years especially. You hear about guys making 100 or even 200 thousand dollars a year. Sure there might be some. But for every 1 of those guys theres 99 others making 15 to 20 per hour.
    It just seems so overrated. Anybody else think this?
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    every year thousands of experienced tradesmen retire. There are more retiring than new ones starting. There will be a shortage of tradies in the next 10-20 years which will drive the demand way up.
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    Originally Posted by nickh04 View Post
    every year thousands of experienced tradesmen retire. There are more retiring than new ones starting. There will be a shortage of tradies in the next 10-20 years which will drive the demand way up.
    I know they're needed. But it seems like the misc has overrated them
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    So you gotta make the same thread several times? You suck dink op
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    Originally Posted by nickh04 View Post
    every year thousands of experienced tradesmen retire. There are more retiring than new ones starting. There will be a shortage of tradies in the next 10-20 years which will drive the demand way up.
    Opposite from what I've seen. Oldcels milking Jman pay while wandering the sites at 65+. There's a 2+ year waiting list to get into my union cause these old phaggots should have retired 10+ years ago
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    lol as a tradie, before I went into the finance department of my company, I was making 31 and hour and I was averaging about 50 hours a week so it was 10 hours of time and a half. Everyone I worked with was in the same range as me. The only guy on our crew making less than 25 an hour was the apprentice. I think he was only making 17 an hour but the company was also paying for his college and certifications. As soo. as he graduates he will be in the high 20s an hour as a 23 year old journeyman.

    So, no, I do not think it has been over rated at all
    You would be surprised just how much time I have to waste.
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    Originally Posted by 400Lb Gorilla View Post
    lol as a tradie, before I went into the finance department of my company, I was making 31 and hour and I was averaging about 50 hours a week so it was 10 hours of time and a half. Everyone I worked with was in the same range as me. The only guy on our crew making less than 25 an hour was the apprentice. I think he was only making 17 an hour but the company was also paying for his college and certifications. As soo. as he graduates he will be in the high 20s an hour as a 23 year old journeyman.

    So, no, I do not think it has been over rated at all
    Interesting. I live in Utah and it is not a good union state. Is being in a union the only way to make it as a tradie?
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    Originally Posted by vwdsg2468 View Post
    Interesting. I live in Utah and it is not a good union state. Is being in a union the only way to make it as a tradie?
    I dunno. I have never been in a union
    You would be surprised just how much time I have to waste.
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    Not really. Really depends on :

    Where you live

    How strong the local union is

    How many companies match union pay

    How much of a shortage there is in your area


    For me even though I may or may not have gotten into the union , working until I start if I did will be hard.

    In SD you have to work as an ET to start getting some hours before a merit shop would even consider helping you with schooling or sponsoring you . Fair enough. The problem is there isn’t a lot of apprentice work because companies want to cheap out and there’s no shortage of construction guys in SoCal.

    Most places hire ETs , only want experience and it’s Only a contract job for X amount of time at that. Plus not only is it hard to find work non union green but ETs make 13-15/$hr with 1-3 years of expierence.

    Et= electrical trainee for the unaware

    Pretty much and independent and really cheap apprientice. Most merit shops start you at about 20/$hr when they indenture you though. It’s just getting there in the first place. Union starts you a little less at first but pay more in the end plus the sick benefits.

    It can be done but it will take awhile getting your first gig even if you’re registered with your state and have your ET card.

    I’m here though and just gonna ride it out. If I have to work as a ET for minimum wage for a year or 2 then so be it. It’s all worth it in the end.

    Like I said this is in SoCal. It might be much easier to get started in electrical depending on where you live.
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    Originally Posted by dogorman7 View Post
    Not really. Really depends on :

    Where you live

    How strong the local union is

    How many companies match union pay

    How much of a shortage there is in your area


    For me even though I may or may not have gotten into the union , working until I start if I did will be hard.

    In SD you have to work as an ET to start getting some hours before a merit shop would even consider helping you with schooling or sponsoring you . Fair enough. The problem is there isn’t a lot of apprentice work because companies want to cheap out and there’s no shortage of construction guys in SoCal.

    Most places hire ETs , only want experience and it’s Only a contract job for X amount of time at that. Plus not only is it hard to find work non union green but ETs make 13-15/$hr with 1-3 years of expierence.

    Et= electrical trainee for the unaware

    Pretty much and independent and really cheap apprientice. Most merit shops start you at about 20/$hr when they indenture you though. It’s just getting there in the first place. Union starts you a little less at first but pay more in the end plus the sick benefits.

    It can be done but it will take awhile getting your first gig even if you’re registered with your state and have your ET card.

    I’m here though and just gonna ride it out. If I have to work as a ET for minimum wage for a year or 2 then so be it. It’s all worth it in the end.

    Like I said this is in SoCal. It might be much easier to get started in electrical depending on where you live.
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    Originally Posted by Anachron View Post
    ET?

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    No, every mass produced item I’ve bought lately with metal work has crooked welds like it was attempted by a machine or some sweatshop amateur without apprenticed training

    It’s definitely a skill very few have and smaller companies dont have QC for unless it’s a specialized industrial company where welding is a precision science like electrical wiring
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    Originally Posted by dogorman7 View Post
    Not really. Really depends on :

    Where you live

    How strong the local union is

    How many companies match union pay

    How much of a shortage there is in your area


    For me even though I may or may not have gotten into the union , working until I start if I did will be hard.

    In SD you have to work as an ET to start getting some hours before a merit shop would even consider helping you with schooling or sponsoring you . Fair enough. The problem is there isn’t a lot of apprentice work because companies want to cheap out and there’s no shortage of construction guys in SoCal.

    Most places hire ETs , only want experience and it’s Only a contract job for X amount of time at that. Plus not only is it hard to find work non union green but ETs make 13-15/$hr with 1-3 years of expierence.

    Et= electrical trainee for the unaware

    Pretty much and independent and really cheap apprientice. Most merit shops start you at about 20/$hr when they indenture you though. It’s just getting there in the first place. Union starts you a little less at first but pay more in the end plus the sick benefits.

    It can be done but it will take awhile getting your first gig even if you’re registered with your state and have your ET card.

    I’m here though and just gonna ride it out. If I have to work as a ET for minimum wage for a year or 2 then so be it. It’s all worth it in the end.

    Like I said this is in SoCal. It might be much easier to get started in electrical depending on where you live.
    Jeezus that is awful. Our first level apprentices are starting at 33.20 an hour. Next week or the week after they will be at 34.20 an hour when the first union-wide raise kicks in

    Stocker/scrappers/entry labor is like 26 an hour bottom of the totem pole
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    Jeezus that is awful. Our first level apprentices are starting at 33.20 an hour. Next week or the week after they will be at 34.20 an hour when the first union-wide raise kicks in

    Stocker/scrappers/entry labor is like 26 an hour bottom of the totem pole
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    Originally Posted by quadfecta View Post
    No, every mass produced item I’ve bought lately with metal work has crooked welds like it was attempted by a machine or some sweatshop amateur without apprenticed training

    It’s definitely a skill very few have and smaller companies dont have QC for unless it’s a specialized industrial company where welding is a precision science like electrical wiring
    I agree I've seen what you're talking about.
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    I rent furnished houses to skilled tradesman working at a refinery. Welders, pipefitters, electricians, boilermakers, inspectors, etc. They make between 1500 to 3000 a week. I know, I've had to cash their checks so that they can pay me rent.
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    I rent furnished houses to skilled tradesman working at a refinery. Welders, pipefitters, electricians, boilermakers, inspectors, etc. They make between 1500 to 3000 a week. I know, I've had to cash their checks so that they can pay me rent.
    Damn that's surprising and definitely not the norm
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    When you hear about people in the trades making really good income for not much skill or experience, it's probably because they are working very hard, working in horrible conditions, and/or working a lot of hours. Chances are at least two of that three. It will build your character and if you are smart, you can rise above that and get the positions and know areas in the field where you won't have to deal with as much or work as hard. If you can get to those levels, you could have had a degree easily, so if someone who isn't smart enough to get into college thinks that they will do well in the trades, I hope they have really strong work ethic. In fact, you better be smart because a lot of the trades will get you killed if you are stupid. Like an electrician, you are dealing with thousands of volts, it only takes 200ma to kill you not to mention that you might be high up when you get shocked and end up fried and splattered.
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    Originally Posted by Jasonw1178 View Post
    When you hear about people in the trades making really good income for not much skill or experience, it's probably because they are working very hard, working in horrible conditions, and/or working a lot of hours. Chances are at least two of that three. It will build your character and if you are smart, you can rise above that and get the positions and know areas in the field where you won't have to deal with as much or work as hard. If you can get to those levels, you could have had a degree easily, so if someone who isn't smart enough to get into college thinks that they will do well in the trades, I hope they have really strong work ethic. In fact, you better be smart because a lot of the trades will get you killed if you are stupid. Like an electrician, you are dealing with thousands of volts, it only takes 200ma to kill you not to mention that you might be high up when you get shocked and end up fried and splattered.
    Like my post above, they make 1500 to 3000 a week. But their job can end at the drop of a hat. Some guy in the crew screws up, the whole company is gone. The job is done, everyone goes home. They make good money, but it is not steady money.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    Like my post above, they make 1500 to 3000 a week. But their job can end at the drop of a hat. Some guy in the crew screws up, the whole company is gone. The job is done, everyone goes home. They make good money, but it is not steady money.
    Depends. Industrial is steady. My work is very steady, haven't lost a day of work in years except this lockdown chit. Our jobs the companies are millions to over a billion (tech companies, hospitals, airports, highrises etc) so when you get the large contracts you're set. We latched onto one of the largest GCs on the west coast so we each get a cut of the pie.

    The site I'm on right now is going to be doing 4 more buildings for at LEAST the next 10-13 years. You can get rained out etc but I haven't really heard of companies losing gigs cause of one fuk up. These must be residential type guys (scabs)
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    The problem with being tradie is that it's hard on your body. You can kiss your back and wrists goodbye if you don't retire early.

    At least unskilled labor like warehouse workers don't have to do as much bending and twisting etc.
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    Originally Posted by ltsOgre View Post
    The problem with being tradie is that it's hard on your body. You can kiss your back and wrists goodbye if you don't retire early.

    At least unskilled labor like warehouse workers don't have to do as much bending and twisting etc.
    Sometimes for sure. The Ironworkers and rod busters/ rebar tier guys are usually fuked. They don't take care of themselves and beat their bodies down.

    Take joint supps, eat well, wear knee pads and learn how to lift and work smarter and they will make it fine. My go to guy is a Jman that's been with the company for 15 years, he's 45-48 and a ball buster but he's in fantastic shape cause he does the above
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    Originally Posted by ChrisLS8 View Post
    Sometimes for sure. The Ironworkers and rod busters/ rebar tier guys are usually fuked. They don't take care of themselves and beat their bodies down.

    Take joint supps, eat well, wear knee pads and learn how to lift and work smarter and they will make it fine. My go to guy is a Jman that's been with the company for 15 years, he's 45-48 and a ball buster but he's in fantastic shape cause he does the above
    The good news is you can also settle down into some type of project management or even engineering into your 30's if you play your cards right. It's good to have at least some of your career outside the office.
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    Originally Posted by vwdsg2468 View Post
    It's been hyped up the last few years especially. You hear about guys making 100 or even 200 thousand dollars a year. Sure there might be some. But for every 1 of those guys theres 99 others making 15 to 20 per hour.
    It just seems so overrated. Anybody else think this?
    Its very clear you dont know what the **** youre talking about and still trying to pass opinion. Youre a faaggot.

    Its a longterm trend that there are millions of soy boys in worthless desk jobs sucking their boss off printing his spreadsheet. Amaerica is trending back to self performed manufacturing and investing in infrastructure and thats really just started.

    Abd heres youre dumbass thinking its "overhyped" because he lurked the mosc for 3 years.

    Oh and also you arebt making $200k in the trades without running your own company. Period. So why you would throw that stat out there is beyond anyone, even small brained tradies. Bit union tradies can make $100k+ easy and their not raging faaggot corporate shills.
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    Originally Posted by Masterchieffer View Post
    Its very clear you dont know what the **** youre talking about and still trying to pass opinion. Youre a faaggot.

    Its a longterm trend that there are millions of soy boys in worthless desk jobs sucking their boss off printing his spreadsheet. Amaerica is trending back to self performed manufacturing and investing in infrastructure and thats really just started.

    Abd heres youre dumbass thinking its "overhyped" because he lurked the mosc for 3 years.

    Oh and also you arebt making $200k in the trades without running your own company. Period. So why you would throw that stat out there is beyond anyone, even small brained tradies. Bit union tradies can make $100k+ easy and their not raging faaggot corporate shills.
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    Originally Posted by ltsOgre View Post
    The good news is you can also settle down into some type of project management or even engineering into your 30's if you play your cards right. It's good to have at least some of your career outside the office.
    I started helping with layout by level 4 apprentice, became a lead within 3 months of getting my j card. Usually spend about 1/3 of my time building chit and the rest of the time getting material ordered, getting the manpower where it needs to be and double checking work/elevations to the prints or going to meetings

    On the flip side there are always the ones that aren't motivated to progress, they been working for years and work hard but don't do anything to stand out and they are ok with that. Thinking of smarter ways to work helps alot. I was spending money on my own special outside the box tools to get things done better/faster and it got noticed.
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    I was spending money on my own special outside the box tools to get things done better/faster and it got noticed.
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