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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    you said i wasnt being honest and in the same breath made up a 100% bull**** stat
    again you feign ignorance and pretend like my "99.99%" was literal. Does it ever get tiring being so disingenuous?
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    again you feign ignorance and pretend like my "99.99%" was literal. Does it ever get tiring being so disingenuous?
    dude just say what you mean then

    why say "99.99% of people..." if thats not what you really mean

    dont blame me when i dont accurately decipher your figurative metaphors and hidden meanings

    its ironically disingenuous

    its also lol to claim to know what other people think
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    you have no idea what everyone knows, and you have no idea what BLM gives a chit about
    This is just verbal gymnastics at this point. Because you didn't understand it doesn't mean everyone else is as clueless as you are.
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    This is just verbal gymnastics at this point. Because you didn't understand it doesn't mean everyone else is as clueless as you are.
    i dont understand what you think i didnt understand
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    dude just say what you mean then

    why say "99.99% of people..." if thats not what you really mean

    dont blame me when i dont accurately decipher your figurative metaphors and hidden meanings

    its ironically disingenuous

    its also lol to claim to know what other people think
    so this whole thread has come to a stand still because we cant figure out what is the definition of "nuclear family" is, just like Bill Clinton didn't know what "is" is. You really might be a lawyer.
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    Quoting from BLM website as of 5 minutes ago. No mention of fathers. Only mothers.

    "We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

    We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

    We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise)."
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    Originally Posted by DarthCholo View Post
    Quoting from BLM website as of 5 minutes ago. No mention of fathers. Only mothers.

    "We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

    We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

    We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise)."
    its marxist garbage, pure and simple. Funny how a black matters site could skip right over men, unless of course it has nothing to do with improving black lives.
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    Notice how he talks facts rather than emotional drivel touchy feely b.s?

    The only time the left dives into stats is when they take the most simplistic analysis of it that even a 10 year old could see through it such as the gender pay gap or black people get killed more by the police PER CAPITA.

    I think the votes in November will show how much of the population still has their reasoning faculties in tact and not completely brainwashed.
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    Originally Posted by dabbmw2002 View Post
    so this whole thread has come to a stand still because we cant figure out what is the definition of "nuclear family" is, just like Bill Clinton didn't no what "is" is. You really might be a lawyer.
    He’s completely ideologically driven. Like the perfect brainwashing experiment.

    Constantly has to do mental gymnastics to justify his positions instead of going with the obvious, more reasonable one. Will find a way to discount the stats every time despite having no alternative study to counter it.

    I think moat of us are reasonable enough that when presented with good evidence that contradict our beliefs, we’re open to changing our mind and are generally arguing in good faith. This guy meanwhile will twist whatever he has to twist to reaffirm his beliefs.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    dude just say what you mean then

    why say "99.99% of people..." if thats not what you really mean

    dont blame me when i dont accurately decipher your figurative metaphors and hidden meanings

    its ironically disingenuous

    its also lol to claim to know what other people think


    LMAO just go back to e-filing paperwork.



    Originally Posted by DarthCholo View Post
    Quoting from BLM website as of 5 minutes ago. No mention of fathers. Only mothers.

    "We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

    We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

    We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise)."
    What do you expect from an organization run by three lesbians?
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    Family > all
    Define family. You should clarify what you mean to avoid confusion
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    A bigger issue is that BLM founders are admitted Marxists, means they are retarded and evil.
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    Caterpillars don't know themselves as butterflies.

    The 'problem' is that Marcellus Wiley sees a blueprint out of the underclass. But, generally, at the stage X underclassman becomes witness to the Wiley vision, the remaining underclass will tell you that X was never in the underclass to begin with.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    i dont understand what you think i didnt understand
    do you understand what a nuclear family is and do you understand what his underlying point was in that snippet? doesn't seem like you actually have an argument or a real point in this thread aside from semantics.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    i dont have my own definition of "nuclear family." i qualify my statements so people understand what im actually saying. BLM and Wiley should both do a better job of actually articulating what they mean instead of using terms with multiple definitions. thats just stupid on both sides.

    Wiley literally read off the stats of what happens to black kids when they don't have a father AND a mother. Call a family with a mom and dad whatever you want to. Traditional. Nuclear. Call it the flying spaghetti monster for all I care. The fact is that BLM wants to eliminate that standard of family. They are fine with 80% abortion rates for blacks. They are fine with single mothers. And all of those things GO AGAINST what is good for an everyday black person.

    Explain this....if BLM was all about empowering blacks and making blacks more empowered in this USA, why is it they support abortion to such a degree? What is it, 80% of all black females get abortions? How in the hell would blacks every become more empowered and a majority when they are killing babies at such a rate? They can't. It is a complete and utter lie. The leaders of BLM, the real leaders, want blacks right where they are. Poor, brainwashed, and voting democratic.
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    Originally Posted by plsmire View Post
    Notice how he talks facts rather than emotional drivel touchy feely b.s?

    The only time the left dives into stats is when they take the most simplistic analysis of it that even a 10 year old could see through it such as the gender pay gap or black people get killed more by the police PER CAPITA.

    I think the votes in November will show how much of the population still has their reasoning faculties in tact and not completely brainwashed.
    The left never ever ever ever talks stats, facts, and numbers, unless it is a poll showing HRC or Biden leading Trump by 100 pts.

    Reason being they know that real facts go completely against the narrative they are trying to spin.

    For example I saw a video the other day at a protest where a guy was going around asking protestors how many unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. The usual guess was 500 to many thousands. I think the lowest I heard was 150 or something. The REAL total is 9. NINE.

    How can you even debate with people like that in good faith or ever expect them to think clearly about the Right or Trump when they are brainwashed into thinking that stuff?
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    Originally Posted by plsmire View Post
    He’s completely ideologically driven. Like the perfect brainwashing experiment.

    Constantly has to do mental gymnastics to justify his positions instead of going with the obvious, more reasonable one. Will find a way to discount the stats every time despite having no alternative study to counter it.

    I think moat of us are reasonable enough that when presented with good evidence that contradict our beliefs, we’re open to changing our mind and are generally arguing in good faith. This guy meanwhile will twist whatever he has to twist to reaffirm his beliefs.
    It is pointless to even talk to people like him. All he does is defend his position, no matter how wrong or illogical, without ever considering an alternative. It is like talking to a cult member.
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    like what?

    i practice in california
    Like what? Like your definition of a nuclear family itt.

    And the only way you're a lawyer is corporate law or immigration law or something. No way it's anything in the criminal law realm
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    Great video, and I love this particular quote:

    "Identity Politics - it divides and it polarizes. No matter how you want to look at it, that's just the effect of it, no matter how great the intentions are, and we all know the road to hell is paved in good intentions."

    Truer words could not be spoken, as it strikes to the heart of the problem with BLM in that it is irrefutably based on dividing people over a facet that we as a society and culture should not be weighing at all should we truly ever hope for togetherness.

    I also really enjoyed his breakdown towards the end regarding how laughable the main "goal" for 2020 is in regards to white supremacy. Reiterating a point I've made before, if go to a bar (maybe pre-COVID), you're going to see people of every color listening and dancing to black artists, if you go to any major sporting event, there are going to be scores of people of all different backgrounds cheering on athletes, many of whom are going to be black, and ome of the most beloved and prolific actors are African American. That is a major achievement and positive sign for society, especially when you consider the relatively short a period of time since just the civil rights movement.

    Intentionally driving a stake through society by predicating a movement strictly on race, and as Marcellus Wiley expands upon, a mission statement that conflicts with the shared ideals for a better society, it stirs unnecessary conflict.

    If BLM was thoroughly about unification and tearing down racial barriers instead of constructing them to serve ulterior motives, first, I don't believe that the movement would be called "Black Lives Matter" to begin with, and second, there would almost undoubtedly be far less hesitation and contention on behalf of people of all backgrounds who do not agree with aspects of BLM like that mission statement.
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    I am glad some more black folk are speaking up against it. While there are some real issues of racial disparity in policing and criminal justice, BLM is just not the movement to help solve them.

    Here in the UK, BLM has basically just become the new Momentum (a far left movement within the Labour party, mostly consisting of student politics) and are now just throwing in with generic hard left positions like Free Palestine/**** Israel, radical feminism etc. It's all just so boring and predictable.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    You got it all right, except the wife has to work also obviously. No lazy sloots allowed.

    Also, children can be adopted obviously.

    A bigger issue is that BLM founders are admitted Marxists, means they are retarded and evil.
    This. The founders are 3 middle aged black women who obviously hate men for one reason or another. When people march/protest calling for changes in the way policing is done and police reform I support that and it's something that needs to happen but it's gone past that and now they are trying to essentially dictate what everyone should think and feel and if you don't then you get labeled a racist. This guy was stating facts and statistics that are well known but people today are too ignorant to listen to other people's viewpoints.
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    With about 70% of black fathers reportedly missing from raising their kids, I believe he is right. More fathers are home likely would help.

    I haven't seen the film yet, but saw Larry Elder has recently released a movie that looks into this topic. It reportedly gives new ideas and a hopeful message on helping improve black lives.

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    Originally Posted by bigcat3655 View Post
    Like what? Like your definition of a nuclear family itt.

    And the only way you're a lawyer is corporate law or immigration law or something. No way it's anything in the criminal law realm
    youre right i dont practice criminal law. no thx, way too stressful and way too much bull****. i do mostly estates / tax planning / trusts / probate / corporate transactions

    my point was just that BLM could be talking about parts of the traditional "nuclear family" that Wiley isnt. i really doubt BLM is trying to produce more single-parent households. I think the parts of the nuclear family that BLM is against might be things like

    dad works mom stays home; single income households
    man and woman married couple (vs domestic partners)
    biological children vs adopted children

    stuff like that

    can you point to anything in BLM literature that actually says they want more single family households? doubtful. you have to interpret "nuclear family" as = 2 parents, and then attack it
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    What does Marcellus Wiley look like!?
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    Why does Marcellus hate black people? Obviously he has broken out of the plantation. Get ready for him to be cancelled. ESPN just can't stay out of politics can they...
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    he has common sense and is willing to listen to opposing views without emotions because he questions everything and reads on the subject first hand rather than take third party narrative articles or news segments into account like lazy people do.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    youre right i dont practice criminal law. no thx, way too stressful and way too much bull****. i do mostly estates / tax planning / trusts / probate / corporate transactions

    my point was just that BLM could be talking about parts of the traditional "nuclear family" that Wiley isnt. i really doubt BLM is trying to produce more single-parent households. I think the parts of the nuclear family that BLM is against might be things like

    dad works mom stays home; single income households
    man and woman married couple (vs domestic partners)
    biological children vs adopted children

    stuff like that

    can you point to anything in BLM literature that actually says they want more single family households? doubtful. you have to interpret "nuclear family" as = 2 parents, and then attack it

    You've explained what you think BLM doesn't mean. Please tell us what you think it DOES mean. What's your interpretation of this? Remember this isnt an out of context comment were discussing. We're talking about a well thought out mission statement.

    It makes no sense to be against single income families, or hetero two couples or raising your own biological children.

    "We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

    We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
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    Just read their 'what they believe' part on the website. Complete 100 level identity politics university propaganda. So much angst reading between the lines.

    I wonder how many shirt sales they are doing. It's the devils work to cloak a company as a 'social justice' organization and give it an irrefutable name and create imaginary opposition to the literal meaning of the words.
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